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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Ayrshire => Topic started by: Tineke on Thursday 01 March 18 16:26 GMT (UK)
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I am probably grasping at straws ,but wondered if anyone can find a connection between my Armour family and Jean Armour Robert Burns wife
My gg grandmother Elizabeth Armour 1826 -1908 m James McWhinnie b1826
Her father Stewart Armour 1804-1874 m Margaret Chambers 1806
His father John Armour 1761 m Margaret Craig 1760
His father Andrew Armour 1737-1776 m Elizabeth Small1737
His father William Armour 1710 m Margaret Wylie. 1716
His father JamesbArmour 1672
The Armour family seem to have lived in Kilmarnock. As a matter of interest we have at leased 2 sets of twins in the family my mother being a twin. Would appreciate any help. Regards. Tineke
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You might find the following helpful:
http://www.burness.ca/burns.htm
Colin
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Many thanks for your reply.I have seen the Burns /Armour tree before. I am more interested in a connection between my Armours and Jean Armour. if there is one of course .There may not be one but would like to find it if there is. Thanks again Tineke
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The following was included on the website I sent:
Jean Armour was born on 25 February 1765 in Mauchline, Ayrshire, Scotland. She was the daughter of James Armour and Mary Smith. She was baptized on 3 March 1765 in Mauchline.
If you look on Scotland’s People you will see her baptism record, this only notes the father James, as do 9 out of the other 10 records, which makes it a little difficult unless you obtain the OPR. There is only one which names both parents, Mary 1779.
Luckily I have found the following Wiki Tree, it does not offer much detail on her siblings but it might help you to work out any connection. It seems to agree with the records on SP.
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Armour-64
Colin
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Thanks Colin. My fault I missed the Armour info I will start looking now. Thanks again for your help very much appreciated. Regards Tineke
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Hi Tineke
William Armour (b.1710) is my 6th great-grandfather and I have been unable to find any information on his parents. You msg states that JamesbArmour 1672 is his father. Do you mind me asking where you found this information?
kind regards
Tracey
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Hello Tracey
It is a long time since I researched the Armours , but I must have found the information on Ancestry as I have the records of baptism ,marriage etc which all seem correct. William is my 6th g grandfather. His father James b 1672 my 7th g grandfather. I have no birth date for his father James. The Armours all seemed to have lived the Kilmarnock area .Hope this helps.
Kind regards Tineke
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I think that the 1710 record referred to is on Family Search & Scotland’s People but sadly no first name recorded)
? Armour birth: 16 September 1710
Baptism 19 September 1710, KILMARNOCK, AYR, SCOTLAND
Residence: 1710 Kilmarnock, Ayrshire, Scotland – Father James
You could check the record on SP it might give a clue to see if it was William.
William Armour married Margaret Wylie 7 June 1736, Kilmarnock
It seems they only had three children, Andrew 1737, Agnes 1739 – Margaret age 0 burial 22 Nov 1746 father William.
It’s likely that Margaret Wylie was baptised 12 Aug 1705 in Kilmarnock parents Thomas Wylie & Isabel Legate but there are other options elsewhere in Ayrshire.
(Also Thomas 1699, John 1702 & Jean 1712)
The only record on SP in Scotland for:
William Armour baptised 4 June 1702 in Kilmarnock parents David Armour and Elspeth Park. (Also David 1700 & Robert 1705)
The snag with both baptisms in the naming of their children
Colin
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Thanks Colin. I have Andrew Wylie 1677 -1781 and Jean Muckle. 1681. as. Margaret Wylies parents. I am descended through Andrew Armour ,John Armour ,Stewart Armour to Elizabeth Armour. b1828 my gg grandmother who married James McWhinnie.
. Thanks again. Tineke
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I just came across this thread when researching my own connection to the Armours of Ayrshire: Stewart Armour Rodman (1890-?) was my great-grandfather, who in turn was the great-grandson of Stewart Armour (1804-74).
I'm afraid I haven't been able to verify the Jean Burns connection (was a myth handed down on my mum's side!), but I have found some work which traces the Armour line back to 1575 on familysearch.org which may be of interest.
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Many thanks for your help .
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Does your Armour family of Ayrshire in any way connect with the Armour family(ies) in Kintyre Argyll?
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Here is a brief list of my Armours Elizabeth Armour 1828-1908 My gg grandmother
Stewart Armour 1804-1874 John Armour 1761-814 Andrew Armour 1737-1776 William Armour 1707-1784 James Armour 1672 All from Kilmarnock , I don’t know if there is any connection to the Argyll Armours .
Tineke
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Jane Amour b 1700 abt Kilmarnock is at the top of my tree
Married Hugh Dunlop
I match DNA with people who have
Ayr ARMOUR. And earlier from Argyll
But I haven't joined the dots yet
Janes father may have been James son of Robert b about 1650
So there must be a connection to the Argyll family but I don't know what
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Thanks for your message . If I come across a connection I will get back to you ,,Regards Tineke
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My family married into the Armours in the early 1800s. I would very much like to know the source of the dates of William Armours birth and also the source of his father being James (and when/where he was born. I cannot find this on Scotland's People (OPRs)
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brigidmac
I too have Jane Amour (b 1700*) abt Kilmarnock at the top of my tree, spouse of merchant Hugh Dunlop (1701-1788). :)
re 'Jane's father may have been James son of Robert b about 1650'.
I can only find the following baptisms on SP so would value the source of your information:
Janet dau John Armour/Jean Armour, 21/07/1694 Kilmarnock'
Janet dau Alexander Armour/Mary Waters 31/12/1696 Kilmarnock,
Janet dau John Armour/Mary Bankhead 30/04/1710 Kilmaurs
M.
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Its been a while since i looked at my scottish tree .
I.ll check and get back to you
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The only possible source on my tree is a baptism on ancestry
Glasgow Lanarkshire Scotland
9th February 1701
Father john armor
Mother jean mckinnie
Maybe the other information came from a dna match
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Other trees have the mothers name as Mary Bankhead
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brigidmac
Perhaps we'll never learn who Jane Armour's mother was - unless another Armour Family Bible turns up!
Seems to me though she was more likely born in Ayrshire rather than Larnarkshire. Have you a record of her death?
M.
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Jane Amour b 1700 abt Kilmarnock is at the top of my tree
Married Hugh Dunlop
I match DNA with people who have
Ayr ARMOUR. And earlier from Argyll
But I haven't joined the dots yet
Janes father may have been James son of Robert b about 1650
So there must be a connection to the Argyll family but I don't know what
I figure there's got to be some sort of connection but who knows.
There is also a rumour in my family that we are somehow related to Jean Armour, Robert Burns wife. Either that or it's we're related to Robert Burns. I have both Armours and Burns in my family tree. The Armours are in Argyll and the Burns are in the Kilbirnie area.
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There is also a rumour in my family that we are somehow related to Jean Armour, Robert Burns wife. Either that or it's we're related to Robert Burns. I have both Armours and Burns in my family tree. The Armours are in Argyll and the Burns are in the Kilbirnie area.
Robert Burns' father was born William Burness in Kincardineshire and moved to various places for work, not including Kilbirnie. William's brother, also named Robert, left Kincardineshire at the same time and was in Ayrshire but not as far as I am aware in Kilbirnie. Certainly none of his family were born in Kilbirnie.
Jean Armour was born in Mauchline, Ayrshire, but I don't know where her forebears were from.
See https://burness.ca/g0/p93.htm#i929
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Apparently it's my Armour side that are rumoured to be related to Jean Armour. Also apparently, it's indicated that my Kintyre Armours originally are from Ayrshire. However, I have not yet been able to find anything concretely shows this. Kintyre in the 17th Century (by Andrew McKerral) indicates on page 106 that "and John Martin, servant to James Armour of Hillabee...", where perharps "Hillabee" is also known as "Hill of Beith" in Ayrshire? At any rate, it would be interesting to see if my Kintyre Armours can be connected to Jean Armour, Robert Burns' wife.
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Ive had a look at AMOUR names on trees of matches to my DNA+ my aunts
Here's the top ones i found
I think my janets parents are John Armour b 1665+ jean Mckinie
With siblings b 1889-1706 Susanna Elizabeth. James. John ,Martha ARMOUR
Other trees have descendants of James ARMOUR b 1702 Kilmarnock Ayrshire m agnes dickie
One traces back to an agnes ARMOUR b 1652 Kilmarnock m Robert Harper
Another has mary ARMOUR 1736-1791
Then theres John ARMOUR b1680 AYR (Son of Robert )m Marie Mary BANKHEAD:
Children john 1700. Robert 1705. joseph 1709. margaret 1713 all born Ayr
We also have DNA matches to many well established Canadian
From Alexander ARMOUR 1814-1886 from Argyll m Mary MILLOY 9 children mostly born Canada
Does anyone have these people on their trees ?
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Kintyre Families (by Angus Martin) indicates that a James Armour from Ayrshire went to Kintyre c.1665. Not sure where that information came from but maybe somehow he is related to Jean Armour of the original post?
How popular of a name was Armour in Ayrshire?
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We also have DNA matches to many well established Canadian
From Alexander ARMOUR 1814-1886 from Argyll m Mary MILLOY 9 children mostly born Canada
Does anyone have these people on their trees ?
I'll try and remember to post back about these names if I come across them. I'm slowly putting together an Armour tree for myself.
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Kintyre Families (by Angus Martin) indicates that a James Armour from Ayrshire went to Kintyre c.1665. Not sure where that information came from but maybe somehow he is related to Jean Armour of the original post?
How popular of a name was Armour in Ayrshire?
To give some idea, there are 326 entries under Armour in Ayrshire in the 1841 census according to Scotland's People. Contrast that with 555 Howie, 250 Burns, 166 Donald, 290 Lambie, 755 Paterson 563 Gemmell/Gemmill, 163 Tod/Todd and 2 693 Smith.
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Thanks for the information about ARMOUR family numbers compared to other surnames .
It does help to know
Does that include AMOUR AMOR spellings ?
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Ps macharskin
John.ARMOUR b 1665 & jean mckinnie seem to have several children baptised with same names I presumed first ones died
They.had Janets and a.Jean.!
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Thanks for the information about ARMOUR family numbers compared to other surnames .
It does help to know
Does that include AMOUR AMOR spellings ?
Doing a search on A*mo*r gives the exact same number of 326 for Ayrshire, so I assume at least in Ayrshire the spelling was consistently "Armour"
Actually even doing a search on the whole of Scotland "Armour" to "A*mo*r" just increases the total from 950 to 963.
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Hello, I'm also a descendant of the Armour family from Ayrshire around the same time (via John Armour b. 1680 in Ayrshire and husband of Elizabeth Gault b. 1682 Ayrshire but parents born in Ireland), but unfortunately it looks lime my Armour ancestors were already in Ayrshire when Robert Armour (Jean Armour Burns' paternal grandfather b. 1709 in Aghaderg, Down, Ireland) came to Ayrshire from Ireland, so I'm unlikely to be a descendant of his or Jean Armour Burns.
I'm assuming since Robert Armour came specifically to Ayrshire it's because he had family there, so I'm guessing there might be family link higher up the tree. Does anyone have any ancestry data higher than Robert Armour b. 1709?
Also slightly unrelated question - I'm trying to see if the Armour family is associated with a clan but I'm not having any luck on the typical clan sites - does anyone have any information on that?
Thank you!
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Also slightly unrelated question - I'm trying to see if the Armour family is associated with a clan but I'm not having any luck on the typical clan sites - does anyone have any information on that?
Forget about clans unless and until you find a definite link to a descendant of a clan. It is a complete fantasy that every Scot belongs, or ever belonged, to a clan.
The clans were a social feature of the Highlands, and Armour is not a clan or a Highland surname. There could possibly have been Armours who were members of a clan, but if the Brigadoon industry does not have a 'If-your-name-is-Armour-you-belong-to-clan-X' anywhere then you are descended from one of the majority of Lowland Scots who have no clink to any clan.
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We also have DNA matches to many well established Canadian
From Alexander ARMOUR 1814-1886 from Argyll m Mary MILLOY 9 children mostly born Canada
Does anyone have these people on their trees ?
I'll try and remember to post back about these names if I come across them. I'm slowly putting together an Armour tree for myself.
I've come across the names Alexander Armour and Mary Milloy in my tree however I haven't researched them yet. I'm curious about Alexander's parents William Armour and Margaret McNiven. William and Margaret have some children in ScotlandsPeople that each have two entries where one is crossed out for each of the children. They are Donald (b. 1822, crossed out) / Donald (b. 1826) and Hugh (b. 1831) / Hugh (b. 1832, crossed out). Can anyone explain why?
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We also have DNA matches to many well established Canadian
From Alexander ARMOUR 1814-1886 from Argyll m Mary MILLOY 9 children mostly born Canada
Hi Brigidmac,
Here's the Find A Grave link for the family: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/76646969/john-milloy-armour
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THANKS IMFAMILY that will come in handy when i work out how we connect
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Also slightly unrelated question - I'm trying to see if the Armour family is associated with a clan but I'm not having any luck on the typical clan sites - does anyone have any information on that?
Forget about clans unless and until you find a definite link to a descendant of a clan. It is a complete fantasy that every Scot belongs, or ever belonged, to a clan.
The clans were a social feature of the Highlands, and Armour is not a clan or a Highland surname. There could possibly have been Armours who were members of a clan, but if the Brigadoon industry does not have a 'If-your-name-is-Armour-you-belong-to-clan-X' anywhere then you are descended from one of the majority of Lowland Scots who have no clink to any clan.
Thanks very much for such helpful advice, it's nice to know I can drop the search for a clan! Is the same true for tartans? Does the Armour family have a tartan we generally identify with, or is that another concept that isn't as relevant for Lowland Scots? Thank you very much!
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Thanks very much for such helpful advice, it's nice to know I can drop the search for a clan! Is the same true for tartans?
Yes.
Does the Armour family have a tartan we generally identify with, or is that another concept that isn't as relevant for Lowland Scots?
As far as I know there is no Armour tartan.
The authoritative source for tartans is the Scottish Register of Tartans https://www.tartanregister.gov.uk/index.
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Thanks Colin. I have Andrew Wylie 1677 -1781 and Jean Muckle. 1681. as. Margaret Wylies parents. I am descended through Andrew Armour ,John Armour ,Stewart Armour to Elizabeth Armour. b1828 my gg grandmother who married James McWhinnie.
. Thanks again. Tineke
o wow... yours sounds a lot like mine I have. I'm just finding info on my family tree.
Andrew Wylie 1677, Jean Muckle 1681 and it says HIS parents are Robert Wylie 1644 and Jean London 1648. and I have found a lot of Armours, Wylies and a few Muckles.