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hi,
have been doing my tree for a while but am stuck on a couple of things
nelly bailey(1880-?) married ben j hucks {1897-1937) (1900)cant seem to find when she died
ben j hucks remarried alice bailey (1882-1955)nee fesey (1916)
charlie bailey(1880-1912 i think) was married to alice bailey nee fesey
all birmingham west mids
trying to find when nelly bailey hucks died and if nelly and charlie bailey were brother and sister thanks hope this makes sense
lee x
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To narrow things down, both marriages are in Birmingham district.
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Hi and welcome to rootschat ;D
Bailey Nellie & Hucks Benjamin John Birmingham 6d 366 4Q 1900
Maybe Deaths 3Q 1945 Bailey Nellie 70 Solihull 6d 1071
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The image for the second marriage is on Ancestry:
November 25 1916, St. Chrysostom
Benjamin John Hucks, 43, Widower, Munition worker, 23 Wharf Street, Benjamin Hucks (deceased), Brewer
Alice Bailey, 36, Widow, , 23 Wharf Street, Joseph Feasey (deceased), Carman
Witnesses: William Thomas James/Janes, Kate Mellors
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Benjamin's military records give details of his children and he mentions that his wife Nelly nee Bailey who he married at Registry Office Birmingham, 1st December 1900 was deceased.
Benjamin attested 15th November 1915, so Nelly dies between March 1902 and November 1915
Nellie Ellen Florence born 30th March 1902
John Henry born 22nd March 1901
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1911 for Nellie Hucks born 1902 living with Charles & Alice Bailey. Her relationship is recorded as niece, which would imply that Charles was her uncle and therefore brother of Nellie -
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWCT-MH7
JJ
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In 1911, Benjamin appears to be in a lodging house in Coventry, with his surname written as Hooks. He claims to be widowed.
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Closest fit for an actual death between 1901 and 1911 is Emma Ellen Hooks, 29, Q1 of 1903 in Sheffield, 9c 368.
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John Henry Hucks is living with his Grandmother in 1911 -
https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWCT-8QX
JJ
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Closest fit for an actual death between 1901 and 1911 is Emma Ellen Hooks, 29, Q1 of 1903 in Sheffield, 9c 368.
i know would there be any reason why her death would not be recorded thanks for the help x
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In 1911, Benjamin appears to be in a lodging house in Coventry, with his surname written as Hooks. He claims to be widowed.
its a bit messed up but that was the daughter nellie of nelly bailey and ben j hucks...
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Groindex births
Nellie Bailey S q 1875 Birmingham mothers maiden name Hanman
Charles Bailey M q 1880 Birmingham mothers maiden name Hanman
1901 census has Nellie transcribed as Hacks with est birth year of 1876.
William
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i realise its all abit confusing.. which is why it has been so challenging for me..
nelly bailey and ben j hucks had 2 children NELLIE flourence hucks and john henry hucks
then ben j hucks married alice bailey nee fesey and had children
so the brother in law and sister in law got married and looked after each others kids...
when alice and ben got married it says widowed . but i am struggling to find the death of the spouses
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i realise its all abit confusing.. which is why it has been so challenging for me..
nelly bailey and ben j hucks had 2 children NELLIE flourence hucks and john henry hucks
then ben j hucks married alice bailey nee fesey and had children
so the brother in law and sister in law got married and looked after each others kids...
when alice and ben got married it says widowed . but i am struggling to find the death of the spouses
oooo i will look
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1901 census has Nellie transcribed as Hacks with est birth year of 1876.
William
Good find William! Charles Bailey is living with them :) -
Benjamin Hacks 28
Nellie Hacks 25
John H Hacks 2/12
Charlie Bailey boarder 21
RG13 Piece 2850 Folio 95 Page 34
JJ
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1901 census has Nellie transcribed as Hacks with est birth year of 1876.
William
Good find William! Charles Bailey is living with them :) -
Benjamin Hacks 28
Nellie Hacks 25
John H Hacks 2/12
Charlie Bailey boarder 21
RG13 Piece 2850 Folio 95 Page 34
JJ
yeah i have that thanks mate
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any more help would be greatly appreciated thanks lee
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This seems to confirm Charlie & Nellie's surviving spouses married each other
Marriages, Birmingham Q2 1901
Charley Bailey <<<
Christopher Eurell
Alice Feasey <<<
Elizabeth Townsend
Think Charles died 1912
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There's this one
June 1902 Birmingham 6d 93
Hook, Ellen
age 26
that's the same quarter/year as the Ellen Florence Hucks birth reg
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Ellen Hook buried April 1902, Warstone Lane Cemetery
But no more free info
https://www.birminghamburialrecords.co.uk
Ellen Florence (Nelly) Hucks born 30.3.02, according to the army record
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Trying to get a clue or two about how she referred to herself.
There's a decent fit for Nellie and Charles in 1891 at RG12/2389 folio 37 p20 & folio 38 p21:
2c3 Brass St
James Bailey, Head, M, 45, Living on own means, London
Caroline Bailey, Wife, M, 43, , Warwi'ks B'ham
Sarah do, Daur, S, 17, Jeweller folk?, do
Ellen do, Daur, S, 15, Tin worker, do
Charles do, Son, S, 12, Scholar, do
A possible fit in 1881 at RG11/3009 folio 125 p11:
5 Talbot 4 Back
James Bailey, Head, M, 59, Gun Maker, Warwk:re Birm:m
Harriett do, Wife, M, 58, Chain Maker, do
John do, Son, M, 35, Jeweller, do
Caroline do, Sons wife, M, 35, Chain maker, do
George Bailey, Son, U, 14, Glass Blower, do
James do, Son, , 10, Scholar, do
Sarah do, Daur, , 8, do, do
Neeley do, Daur, , 6, do, do
Charles do, Son, , 1yr, at home, do
A bit of confusion about the name of Caroline's husband, but everything else seems to match up.
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Her birth appears to have been registered as Nellie - there's a group of Baileys including Nellie with mmn Hanman that fit the censuses
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Daughter may also have died young.
Marriage, Dec 1922 Birmingham 6d 610
Clarke, Harry
Hucks, Nellie F.
Likely birth of a daughter in Birmingham, Sep qtr 1924
Birth of a son in March qtr 1926
And in the same quarter
Death, March 1926 Birmingham South 6d 91
Clarke, Nellie Florence
age 23
Almost a carbon copy of Hucks-Bailey
Could both mother and daughter have died as a result of childbirth?
John
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Free index to the 1939 Register has that daughter born 1924, Nancy A (later Goodwin) in Birmingham C.B. with Harry Clarke born 1901 and Elsie M Clarke born 1903 and others.
Possibly Harry Clarke and Elsie M Heath in Birmingham in 1931.
One thing, Nellie Florence died Birmingham South, the likely son was born (and possibly died) Birmingham North.
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I agree with Andrew that the census entries he quotes are a possible fit.
Caroline Bailey is showing as living with son George in 1901 with son James next door.
To add to names "confusion" I think Caroline may also have been known as Catherine.
Possible marriage:
James Bailey and Catherine Hanman 1 Jan 1867 Aston Juxta,Birmingham
Catherine Hanman is recorded as with parents in 1851 and 1861 census (surname transcribed as Hauman). Father is Charles Hanman, a pearl button cutter,mother Mary A.
A baptism in Birmingham St Luke 29 Dec 1850 ( born 12 March 1847) seems to have her first name as Caroline. Baptised same day as brother Charles.
Groindex seems to have birth as Catherine Handman - mothers maiden name Cubbage. This is also the mother's maiden name of siblings Charles and Thomas.
Marriage 9 Sept 1846 St Martin
Charles Hanman widower pearl button maker
Mary Ann Hood widow -father William Cuppeage.
William