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Title: Maguire McCaffrey marriage
Post by: willow2670 on Thursday 01 March 18 20:32 GMT (UK)
Try as I have, I cannot find the marriage for Patrick Maguire & Anne McCaffrey.

This is the 1911 census
Patrick Maguire   Head 50 b Cavan
Annie Maguire   Wife 40 b Fermanagh

Rose Maguie Dau 17 b Cavan
Patrick Maguire   Son 14 b Cavan
John Maguire Son 11 b Cavan
Ellen Maguire Dau 10 b Cavan
Catherine Maguire Dau 5 b Cavan
Brankhill, Kilconny, Cavan

I also cannot find the births for the 2 eldest children, Rose & Patrick.
On the census it states they were married 18 years, had 8 children, 6 living.

Can anyone else have better luck please?
Title: Re: Maguire McCaffrey marriage
Post by: hallmark on Friday 02 March 18 09:06 GMT (UK)
Religion?


Link to Census?
Title: Re: Maguire McCaffrey marriage
Post by: aghadowey on Friday 02 March 18 09:38 GMT (UK)
Here's the family in 1911-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cavan/Kilconny/Brankill__Flood_/338942

and in 1901-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cavan/Kilconny/Brankill_Flood/1062501
Title: Re: Maguire McCaffrey marriage
Post by: hallmark on Friday 02 March 18 11:20 GMT (UK)
I think Belturbet Dispensary is where the nearest Office was for there,

Registration District :    Cavan

Have you checked there for   Unknown McCaffrey   Registrations?
Title: Re: Maguire McCaffrey marriage
Post by: myluck! on Friday 02 March 18 16:18 GMT (UK)
Parents Patrick MAGUIRE & Annie McCAFFREY
In 1911 married 18-19 years according to census
* living children of which 6 were alive - 5 were listed
1 1896 Mary Anne LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1896/02181/1825631.pdf) #438
   (1) Baptism Drumlane Jan 04 1896 Sponsors John Magaughen & Mary Farrelly
2 c1895 Rose (if not Mary Anne renamed)
3 c1898 Patrick
   (2) no obvious birth or baptism records but on both census
4 1900 John LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1900/02005/1770740.pdf) #430
   (3) Baptism Drumlane Oct 05 1898 Sponsors Patrick Farrelly & Margaret McAloon
   (4) Baptism Drumlane Dec 15 1899 Sponsors Eugene Maguire & Margaret Maguire
5 1901 Ellen (Helena) LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1902/01920/1744068.pdf) #6
   (4) Baptism Drumlane Aug 25 1901 Sponsors Hugh Corry & Helena Farrelly
6 POSSIBLE 1904 Eugene - no birth record
   (5) Baptism Drumlane Apr 19 1904 Sponsors Hugh Carney & Ellen Maguire
   (mother shown as Alice McCaffrey)
7 1906 Catherine LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1906/01738/1686654.pdf) #430
   (6) Baptism Drumlane Feb 13 1903 Sponsors Hugh Corry & Ellen Maguire
   (7) Baptism Drumlane Jun 09 1905 Sponsors Hugh Corry & Sarah McCaffrey
8 1911 Margaret  LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1911/01527/1619378.pdf) #381
   [8] Baptism Drumlane Dec 10 1910 Sponsors Maggie Corry & Philip Maguire
   note that she married James Drum Jun 04 1934

all the baptisms are transcriptions from Drumlane parish

I wonder if Mary Anne became known as Rose?
She married Patrick BRADY a 40-year-old widower on Sept 08 1915 LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1915/09823/5566530.pdf)

Cannot see Patrick or a marriage
Title: Re: Maguire McCaffrey marriage
Post by: BallyaltikilliganG on Friday 02 March 18 16:37 GMT (UK)
no marriage as yet, but sometime the townland will become important
Drumlane Civil Parish
early the only mccaffery 1857 in askaboutireland/griffiths valuation
Mc Caffery   Edward   Ardmoneen   Drumreilly   Cavan
Mc Caffery   Charles   Ardmoneen   Drumreilly   Cavan

Mc Caffrey   Cormack   Aghavilla*   Drumlane   Cavan
Mc Caffrey   James      Corcanadas****   Drumlane   Cavan
Mc Caffrey   James      Derryvackny****   Drumlane   Cavan
Mc Caffrey   Catherine   Greaghrahan**Drumlane   Cavan
Mc Caffrey   Connor   Greaghrahan*   *Drumlane   Cavan
Mc Caffrey   James      Naheelis****   Drumlane   Cavan
Mc Caffrey   James      Tirliffin****   Drumlane   Cavan
Mc Guire            Patrick            Brankhill (Flood) Drumlane     Cavan

*=nearest,**next nearest,**** furthest to Brankhill (Flood)in an interesting clump
the townlands in Drumlane parish see http://cavantownlands.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Parish_Drumlane.png

The Tithe Applotment Books  didn’t have any relevance to either name , not as expected.
good luck onwRDS
Title: Re: Maguire McCaffrey marriage
Post by: myluck! on Friday 02 March 18 17:37 GMT (UK)
I think Patrick MAGUIRE was the son of Patrick MAGUIRE and Rose CORRIGAN.

As Annie MAGUIRE nee McCAFFREY states she was from Co Fermanagh on both census returns I didn’t look for her in Cavan/Drumlane

The census implies they married c 1892/3. If in her parish it could be anywhere in Fermanagh.
Title: Re: Maguire McCaffrey marriage
Post by: willow2670 on Saturday 03 March 18 10:14 GMT (UK)
Here's the family in 1911-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cavan/Kilconny/Brankill__Flood_/338942

and in 1901-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cavan/Kilconny/Brankill_Flood/1062501

Thank you
Title: Re: Maguire McCaffrey marriage
Post by: willow2670 on Saturday 03 March 18 11:15 GMT (UK)
I think Belturbet Dispensary is where the nearest Office was for there,

Registration District :    Cavan

Have you checked there for   Unknown McCaffrey   Registrations?

Have never come across Belturbet Dispensary.
Can you point in the right direction please?
Title: Re: Maguire McCaffrey marriage
Post by: willow2670 on Saturday 03 March 18 11:20 GMT (UK)
Parents Patrick MAGUIRE & Annie McCAFFREY
In 1911 married 18-19 years according to census
* living children of which 6 were alive - 5 were listed
1 1896 Mary Anne LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1896/02181/1825631.pdf) #438
   (1) Baptism Drumlane Jan 04 1896 Sponsors John Magaughen & Mary Farrelly
2 c1895 Rose (if not Mary Anne renamed)
3 c1898 Patrick
   (2) no obvious birth or baptism records but on both census
4 1900 John LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1900/02005/1770740.pdf) #430
   (3) Baptism Drumlane Oct 05 1898 Sponsors Patrick Farrelly & Margaret McAloon
   (4) Baptism Drumlane Dec 15 1899 Sponsors Eugene Maguire & Margaret Maguire
5 1901 Ellen (Helena) LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1902/01920/1744068.pdf) #6
   (4) Baptism Drumlane Aug 25 1901 Sponsors Hugh Corry & Helena Farrelly
6 POSSIBLE 1904 Eugene - no birth record
   (5) Baptism Drumlane Apr 19 1904 Sponsors Hugh Carney & Ellen Maguire
   (mother shown as Alice McCaffrey)
7 1906 Catherine LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1906/01738/1686654.pdf) #430
   (6) Baptism Drumlane Feb 13 1903 Sponsors Hugh Corry & Ellen Maguire
   (7) Baptism Drumlane Jun 09 1905 Sponsors Hugh Corry & Sarah McCaffrey
8 1911 Margaret  LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1911/01527/1619378.pdf) #381
   [8] Baptism Drumlane Dec 10 1910 Sponsors Maggie Corry & Philip Maguire
   note that she married James Drum Jun 04 1934

all the baptisms are transcriptions from Drumlane parish

I wonder if Mary Anne became known as Rose?
She married Patrick BRADY a 40-year-old widower on Sept 08 1915 LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1915/09823/5566530.pdf)

Cannot see Patrick or a marriage

Thanks for all your effort. I suppose it is possible Mary Anne was known as Rose.
Going to check the baptisms you found. Some of the sponsors could be connected.
Their son Patrick born @ 1897 never married & died 1922.

Title: Re: Maguire McCaffrey marriage
Post by: willow2670 on Saturday 03 March 18 11:22 GMT (UK)
I think Patrick MAGUIRE was the son of Patrick MAGUIRE and Rose CORRIGAN.




Thanks. Will also check this out.
Title: Re: Maguire McCaffrey marriage
Post by: willow2670 on Saturday 03 March 18 11:51 GMT (UK)
no marriage as yet, but sometime the townland will become important
Drumlane Civil Parish
early the only mccaffery 1857 in askaboutireland/griffiths valuation
Mc Caffery   Edward   Ardmoneen   Drumreilly   Cavan
Mc Caffery   Charles   Ardmoneen   Drumreilly   Cavan

Mc Caffrey   Cormack   Aghavilla*   Drumlane   Cavan
Mc Caffrey   James      Corcanadas****   Drumlane   Cavan
Mc Caffrey   James      Derryvackny****   Drumlane   Cavan
Mc Caffrey   Catherine   Greaghrahan**Drumlane   Cavan
Mc Caffrey   Connor   Greaghrahan*   *Drumlane   Cavan
Mc Caffrey   James      Naheelis****   Drumlane   Cavan
Mc Caffrey   James      Tirliffin****   Drumlane   Cavan
Mc Guire            Patrick            Brankhill (Flood) Drumlane     Cavan

*=nearest,**next nearest,**** furthest to Brankhill (Flood)in an interesting clump
the townlands in Drumlane parish see http://cavantownlands.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Parish_Drumlane.png

The Tithe Applotment Books  didn’t have any relevance to either name , not as expected.
good luck onwRDS

Thank you BallyaltikilliganG. Another avenue to check.
Title: Re: Maguire McCaffrey marriage
Post by: BallyaltikilliganG on Saturday 03 March 18 11:54 GMT (UK)
A possible clue is the sponsor Sarah McCaffrey in the 1906 baptism for Catherine Maguire
there is a Sarah aged 10 in Kilsob Co Cavan in 1901 census , if a sponsor is older than 16 in 2006, then other Sarah’s could be a co Fermanagh relative
eg could she be a sister of
1901 census4 in Derryhooly (Crum, Fermanagh)
McCaffrey   Patrick   60   Male   Head of Family   Roman Catholic   Co Fermanagh   Farmer   Cannot read or write   -   Married   -
McCaffrey   Mary   52   Female   Wife   Roman Catholic   Co Fermanagh   Farmers Wife   Read and write   -   Married   -
McCaffrey   Sarah   24   Female   Daughter   Roman Catholic   Co Fermanagh   Farmer's Daughter   Read and write   -   Not Married   -
McCaffrey   John   18   Male   Son   Roman Catholic   Co Fermanagh   Farmers Son   Read and write   -   Not Married   -
McCaffrey   Hugh   16   Male   Son   Roman Catholic   Co Fermanagh   Farmers Son   Read and write   -   Not Married   -
or in same census
McCaffrey   Sarah   Derryveone   Irvinestown   Fermanagh   39   F   Co Fermanagh   W-Mistress in School   Roman Catholic   Read and write      Wife   Married   
McCaffrey   Sarah   Gortaree   Aghyoule   Fermanagh   65   F   Co Fermanagh   Farmer   Roman Catholic   Read      Head of Family

Don’t give up too quickly people didn’t travel much in those days, Enniskillen inc its civil parish of Rossory civil parish itself boarders with Drumlane Co Cavan the Mc Caffery were to be found in these bordering civil parishes   http://www.irishgenealogyhub.com/fermanagh/maps/civil-parishes-of-county-fermanagh.php#.Wppo3Wacapg
and https://www.johngrenham.com/browse/county_civil.php?county=Cavan
that leaves entries many mcCaffrey who might be her parents    matching the Cavan civil parishes along the border with  Drumlane and Tomregan so the list taken from Griffiths Valuation  reduces to and might be too early
Mc Caffery   James      Blackhill   Enniskillen   Fermanagh
Mc Caffery   Denis      Claranagh   Enniskillen   Fermanagh
Mc Caffrey   Patrick   Gorahurk   Tomregan   Fermanagh
Mc Caffrey   Hugh      Gortahurk   Tomregan   Fermanagh
Mc Caffrey   Patrick   Gortahurk   Tomregan   Fermanagh
Mc Caffrey   Hugh      Gorahurk   Tomregan   Fermanagh
Mc Caffrey   Cornelius   Knockadoois   Tomregan   Fermanagh   
Mc Caffrey   John      Abbey St.,   Enniskillen   Enniskillen   Fermanagh
Mc Caffrey   Patrick   Belmore St.,   Enniskillen   Enniskillen   Fermanagh
Mc Caffrey   Bernard   Coolcran   Enniskillen   Fermanagh
Mc Caffrey   Edward   Coolcran   Enniskillen   Fermanagh
Mc Caffrey   James      Coolcran   Enniskillen   Fermanagh
Mc Caffrey   James, Jr.   Coolcran   Enniskillen   Fermanagh
Mc Caffrey   James, Sr.   Coolcran   Enniskillen   Fermanagh
Mc Caffrey   Philip, Jr.   Coolcran   Enniskillen   Fermanagh
Mc Caffrey   Philip, Sr.   Coolcran   Enniskillen   Fermanagh
Mc Caffrey   Hugh      Creevehill   Enniskillen   Fermanagh
Mc Caffrey   Thomas   Creevehill   Enniskillen   Fermanagh
Mc Caffrey   Owen      Cullion    Enniskillen   Fermanagh
Mc Caffrey   John      Darling St.,   Enniskillen   Enniskillen   Fermanagh
Mc Caffrey   Patrick   Drumgay   Enniskillen   Fermanagh
Mc Caffrey   Francis   Drummackan   Enniskillen   Fermanagh
Mc Caffrey   Hugh      Drummackan   Enniskillen   Fermanagh
Mc Caffrey   John      Drummackan   Enniskillen   Fermanagh
Mc Caffrey   John      Eden Street,   Enniskillen   Enniskillen   Fermanagh
Mc Caffrey   Edward   Edenmore   Enniskillen   Fermanagh
Mc Caffrey   John      Edenmore   Enniskillen   Fermanagh
Mc Caffrey   Bernard   Glen      Enniskillen   Fermanagh
Mc Caffrey   Edward   Glen      Enniskillen   Fermanagh
Mc Caffrey   Margaret   Glen      Enniskillen   Fermanagh
Mc Caffrey   Denis      Head St.,   Enniskillen   Enniskillen   Fermanagh
Mc Caffrey   Elizabeth   High Street,   Enniskillen   Enniskillen   Fermanagh
Mc Caffrey   Owen      Killyculla   Enniskillen   Fermanagh
Mc Caffrey   Rose      Killyculla   Enniskillen   Fermanagh
Mc Caffrey   Francis, Jr.   Letterbailey   Enniskillen   Fermanagh
Mc Caffrey   Francis, Sr.   Letterbailey   Enniskillen   Fermanagh
Mc Caffrey   James      Letterbailey   Enniskillen   Fermanagh
Mc Caffrey   Mary      Letterbailey   Enniskillen   Fermanagh
Mc Caffrey   Thomas   Letterbailey   Enniskillen   Fermanagh
Mc Caffrey   John      Mullanskea   Enniskillen   Fermanagh
Mc Caffrey   William   Ramaley   Enniskillen   Fermanagh
Mc Caffrey   Patrick   Stragole   Enniskillen   Fermanagh
Mc Caffrey   Edward   Tempo      Enniskillen   Fermanagh
Mc Caffrey   John      Tempo      Enniskillen   Fermanagh
Mc Caffrey   Mary      Tonyglaskan   Enniskillen   Fermanagh
Mc Caffrey   Patrick   Tullyullagh   Enniskillen   Fermanagh
Mc Caffrey   Philip      Tullyullagh   Enniskillen   Fermanagh
again one could reduce this further knocking out the northern townlands of Enniskillen parish if one could find a townland map if only one could find a parents first name
good luck onwards
Title: Re: Maguire McCaffrey marriage
Post by: hallmark on Saturday 03 March 18 13:07 GMT (UK)
I think Belturbet Dispensary is where the nearest Office was for there,

Registration District :    Cavan

Have you checked there for   Unknown McCaffrey   Registrations?

Have never come across Belturbet Dispensary.
Can you point in the right direction please?

Registration District :      Cavan   
Area : c160,700 Acres   |  Population 58,700 (1861)
County :    Cavan
Towns :    Arvagh (Cavan), Ballyhaise (Cavan), Belturbet (Cavan), Butlersbridge (Cavan), Killashandra (Cavan), Kilnaleck (Cavan)
Title: Re: Maguire McCaffrey marriage
Post by: hallmark on Saturday 03 March 18 13:12 GMT (UK)
Belturbet.

you'd just be using   Cavan  to look them up on Civil Reg!
.
.
Title: Re: Maguire McCaffrey marriage
Post by: hallmark on Saturday 03 March 18 13:22 GMT (UK)
IF she married in Fermanagh and Registered the marriage the Fermanagh Districts are
.
.
Title: Re: Maguire McCaffrey marriage
Post by: hallmark on Saturday 03 March 18 13:32 GMT (UK)
C Reg  Marriage results for ALL IRELAND FOR Patrick M*guire from 1890 to 1899

Displaying results 1 - 100 of 173. http://www.rootschat.com/links/01loq/
Title: Re: Maguire McCaffrey marriage
Post by: aghadowey on Saturday 03 March 18 14:25 GMT (UK)
Belturbet Dispensary would have been the doctor's surgery and location could change depending on who the local doctor was and where their practice was located.

Here's the details from 1877 directory-
Dispensary, Church Street - Hugh Thompson, M.D., surgeon and registrar of births, deaths and marriages
http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/PT_B1877.htm
Title: Re: Maguire McCaffrey marriage
Post by: willow2670 on Monday 05 March 18 10:11 GMT (UK)
Thank you BallyaltikilliganG for all the info on the McCaffrey surname.
Lots to work on  ;D
Title: Re: Maguire McCaffrey marriage
Post by: willow2670 on Monday 05 March 18 10:15 GMT (UK)
Hi myluck,

Can you tell me where you found the baptism records, with their Sponsors names.
They could be connected.
Many thanks


Parents Patrick MAGUIRE & Annie McCAFFREY
In 1911 married 18-19 years according to census
* living children of which 6 were alive - 5 were listed
1 1896 Mary Anne LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1896/02181/1825631.pdf) #438
   (1) Baptism Drumlane Jan 04 1896 Sponsors John Magaughen & Mary Farrelly
2 c1895 Rose (if not Mary Anne renamed)
3 c1898 Patrick
   (2) no obvious birth or baptism records but on both census
4 1900 John LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1900/02005/1770740.pdf) #430
   (3) Baptism Drumlane Oct 05 1898 Sponsors Patrick Farrelly & Margaret McAloon
   (4) Baptism Drumlane Dec 15 1899 Sponsors Eugene Maguire & Margaret Maguire
5 1901 Ellen (Helena) LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1902/01920/1744068.pdf) #6
   (4) Baptism Drumlane Aug 25 1901 Sponsors Hugh Corry & Helena Farrelly
6 POSSIBLE 1904 Eugene - no birth record
   (5) Baptism Drumlane Apr 19 1904 Sponsors Hugh Carney & Ellen Maguire
   (mother shown as Alice McCaffrey)
7 1906 Catherine LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1906/01738/1686654.pdf) #430
   (6) Baptism Drumlane Feb 13 1903 Sponsors Hugh Corry & Ellen Maguire
   (7) Baptism Drumlane Jun 09 1905 Sponsors Hugh Corry & Sarah McCaffrey
8 1911 Margaret  LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1911/01527/1619378.pdf) #381
   [8] Baptism Drumlane Dec 10 1910 Sponsors Maggie Corry & Philip Maguire
   note that she married James Drum Jun 04 1934

all the baptisms are transcriptions from Drumlane parish

I wonder if Mary Anne became known as Rose?
She married Patrick BRADY a 40-year-old widower on Sept 08 1915 LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1915/09823/5566530.pdf)

Cannot see Patrick or a marriage
Title: Re: Maguire McCaffrey marriage
Post by: hallmark on Monday 05 March 18 10:16 GMT (UK)
Belturbet Dispensary would have been the doctor's surgery and location could change depending on who the local doctor was and where their practice was located.

Here's the details from 1877 directory-
Dispensary, Church Street - Hugh Thompson, M.D., surgeon and registrar of births, deaths and marriages
http://www.lennonwylie.co.uk/PT_B1877.htm


Doesn't matter

you'd just be using   Cavan  to look them up on Civil Reg!
Title: Re: Maguire McCaffrey marriage
Post by: willow2670 on Monday 05 March 18 10:36 GMT (UK)
IF she married in Fermanagh and Registered the marriage the Fermanagh Districts are
.
.

Thanks Hallmark,
I had checked here but no luck for the marriage.
I know they wouldn't travel too far  ???
Title: Re: Maguire McCaffrey marriage
Post by: hallmark on Monday 05 March 18 10:41 GMT (UK)
IF she married in Fermanagh and Registered the marriage the Fermanagh Districts are
.
.

Thanks Hallmark,
I had checked here but no luck for the marriage.
I know they wouldn't travel too far  ???

It is possible the Marriage was never Registered. Not all were.
Title: Re: Maguire McCaffrey marriage
Post by: myluck! on Monday 05 March 18 11:01 GMT (UK)
Drumlane is transcribed on rootsireland.ie
Not freely online as yet
Title: Re: Maguire McCaffrey marriage
Post by: willow2670 on Monday 05 March 18 11:34 GMT (UK)
That's great myluck. Thanks for the pointers  ;D

Drumlane is transcribed on rootsireland.ie
Not freely online as yet
Title: Re: Maguire McCaffrey marriage
Post by: willow2670 on Monday 05 March 18 19:39 GMT (UK)
IF she married in Fermanagh and Registered the marriage the Fermanagh Districts are
.
.

Thanks Hallmark,
I had checked here but no luck for the marriage.
I know they wouldn't travel too far  ???

It is possible the Marriage was never Registered. Not all were.

I'd say very unlikely. It's a very rural area, where everyone know's everyone. Plus they were strict Catholics.
I'm wondering if the marriage page was 'missed' or not transcribed.
Title: Re: Maguire McCaffrey marriage
Post by: myluck! on Monday 05 March 18 19:53 GMT (UK)
Some parish records are not complete and also some priests were not the best at keeping them!!