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Title: Magheramesk / COSTLEY - CARSON
Post by: SJ Bann on Friday 02 March 18 20:34 GMT (UK)
Hi RootsChatters,

Currently looking into the Costley branch of my family tree. If anyone else has Costley relatives it would be great to hear from you.

Here are my main Costley ancestors so far:

Father: John COSTLEY (born c.1840)
Mother: Eliza Jane CARSON (born c.1846)
 > They married on 10 AUG 1874

Children:
1. Catherine (born 11 JUL 1875) - no further information
2. Margaret (bpt  29 APR 1877)
3. Eliza Ann (born 15 APR 1879) - no further information
4. William James (born 07 OCT 1881)
5. George (born 22 OCT 1883)
6. Ellen (born 01 SEPT 1886)
7. Thomas (born 04 JAN 1890)
8. unknown (?) = according to 1911 Census records John & Eliza had 8 children

Regards,

SJ
Title: Re: Magheramesk / COSTLEY - CARSON
Post by: BallyaltikilliganG on Saturday 03 March 18 15:16 GMT (UK)
useing www.askaboutireland/griffiths valuation
Magheramesk townland in the civil parish of Magheramesk
William Costly map ref 4a  ten shillings pa  valued homestead there was a building but not marked 4a on map it seems to be 1 Magheramesk Ln on a modern google map/satellite view

useing Valuation revision sheets at PRONI to change of owner
PRONI Reference: VAL/12/B/8/14A (1863 - 1879)
heís there his landlord changes to Martha redford

PRONI Reference VAL/12/B/8/14B (1880 - 1889)
see https://apps.proni.gov.uk/Val12B/RelatedVolume.aspx?7756
his name changes 4a to John Costley in 87 difficult to read as landlord changes Richard Talbot Ford 1880-81 this size of property is unlikely to have a will so without proof looks like a son takes over

I didnt search for carson nearby in griffths as have run out of time
church records next perhaps
Title: Re: Magheramesk / COSTLEY - CARSON
Post by: BallyaltikilliganG on Saturday 03 March 18 15:26 GMT (UK)
i left out
Tithes Applotment Books 1823-1837 based upon the index work of the Irish Genealogy Hubís
listing for each parish in Northern Ireland. The relevant original books are in the
Public Record Office of Northern Ireland (PRONI) Belfast  shows earlier Costley /Costly/ my guess would be ancestral connections with perhaps nearby civil parish of Moira Co Down
Costley, Ben-- Townland : Shaneglish Year : 1830-Ballymore-Armagh
Costley, Charles-- Townland : Ballynagreagh Year : 1830-Ballymore-Armagh
Costley, Daniel-Townland: Lurgan Town Year: 1833-Shankill-Armagh
Costley, Daniel-Townland: Lurgan Town Year: 1833-Shankill-Down-
Costley, Edwd.-- Townland: Termoyra Year: 1834-Seagoe-Armagh
Costley, James-Townland: Clare Year: 1833-Moira-Down-
Costley, John-Townland: Derrydrumult Year: 1833-Moira-Down-
Costley, John-Townland: Derrydrumult Year: 1842-Moira-Down-
Costly, Francis-Townland: Clare Year: 1833-Moira-Down-

Costly, John-Townland: Anaghanoon Year: 1834-Donacloney-Down-
Costly, John-Townland: Drumbroneth Year: 1834-Dromore-Down-
Title: Re: Magheramesk / COSTLEY - CARSON
Post by: SJ Bann on Saturday 03 March 18 16:26 GMT (UK)
BallyaltikilliganG,

Thank you for replying to my post and for all the information. I will have to check it all out. ;)

I've just put the basic information I have on my Costley family in the hopes that someone else with an interest in this line might one day see it and get in touch.
It's through posts submitted by rootschatters that I connected with relatives on other branches so hoping to do the same here.

I should have thought of the Tithes Applotment Books and Griffiths Valuation. I've been using and cross-referencing information from the Census Records & Civil Records (BMD) and should think about broadening my resources.

I am stuck with some of John & Eliza's children (Catherine, Eliza Ann & 1 unknown). The 1911 census mentions 8 "living" children. Would you say that's an 8? (see document attached)
I initially thought this migth not be accurate and that some of them might have died at birth or during childhood but information concerning other children has been relatively accurate.
I've tried first & last name variants, maiden names of mothers during relevant timeframes, immigration records, canadian & usa census records (obviously limited as I don't know their married names if they had one before immigrating)...they don't show up on other family members records (present at birth/death, marriage witnesses, next of kin, etc).
Would you have any other suggestions on where or how to look?

Thanks again,

SJ

Title: Re: Magheramesk / COSTLEY - CARSON
Post by: hallmark on Saturday 03 March 18 16:33 GMT (UK)
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/civil-records/help/what-civil-records-are-on-line
Title: Re: Magheramesk / COSTLEY - CARSON
Post by: hallmark on Saturday 03 March 18 16:35 GMT (UK)
C Reg   Birth, Marriage and Death results for Costley

Displaying results 1 - 100 of 263. http://www.rootschat.com/links/01los/
Title: Re: Magheramesk / COSTLEY - CARSON
Post by: hallmark on Saturday 03 March 18 16:36 GMT (UK)
Hi RootsChatters,

Currently looking into the Costley branch of my family tree. If anyone else has Costley relatives it would be great to hear from you.

Here are my main Costley ancestors so far:

Father: John COSTLEY (born c.1840)
Mother: Eliza Jane CARSON (born c.1846)
 > They married on 10 AUG 1874

Children:
1. Catherine (born 11 JUL 1875) - no further information
2. Margaret (bpt  29 APR 1877)
3. Eliza Ann (born 15 APR 1879) - no further information
4. William James (born 07 OCT 1881)
5. George (born 22 OCT 1883)
6. Ellen (born 01 SEPT 1886)
7. Thomas (born 04 JAN 1890)
8. unknown (?) = according to 1911 Census records John & Eliza had 8 children

Regards,

SJ

Link to Census??
Title: Re: Magheramesk / COSTLEY - CARSON
Post by: hallmark on Saturday 03 March 18 16:41 GMT (UK)
Antrim Districts for Civil Reg
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Title: Re: Magheramesk / COSTLEY - CARSON
Post by: SJ Bann on Saturday 03 March 18 16:46 GMT (UK)
Hi Hallmark,

Thank you for your help and the links you have provided.
 
Other than Catherine & Eliza Ann's entries of birth, I haven't found anything else about them on the Irish Genealogy website and nothing matching a possible 8th child for John and Eliza Jane, although I only have a baptism record for Margaret, so perhaps something similar for this 8th one.

Did look through posts on the forum for anything on Costley's but nothing matched, but won't hurt to look again. Maybe I missed something.

I modified my earlier post to attach the census (had to modify the format). What do you think? Before finding out about Margaret, I thought it looked like 6 not 8.
Title: Re: Magheramesk / COSTLEY - CARSON
Post by: hallmark on Saturday 03 March 18 16:49 GMT (UK)
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Maheramesk/Magheramesk/199912/
Title: Re: Magheramesk / COSTLEY - CARSON
Post by: hallmark on Saturday 03 March 18 16:53 GMT (UK)
Clearly says 8 born, 8 living
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Title: Re: Magheramesk / COSTLEY - CARSON
Post by: SJ Bann on Saturday 03 March 18 17:00 GMT (UK)
Yes, that's the one. They do transcribe it as 8. Thank you for confirming this. On the digitalised image of the record there is a squiggle.

Calculating the time between the birth of the orher children (Catherine (11/07/1875), Margaret (04/1877), Eliza Ann (15/04/1879), William James (07/10/1881), George (22/10/1883), Ellen (01/09/1886), Thomas (04/01/1890)), I think the other child must have been born either between George & Ellen / Ellen & Thomas / after Thomas.
Title: Re: Magheramesk / COSTLEY - CARSON
Post by: hallmark on Saturday 03 March 18 17:02 GMT (UK)
Where are they 1901?

Is she a Widow then?

What children are there?

Link?
Title: Re: Magheramesk / COSTLEY - CARSON
Post by: SJ Bann on Saturday 03 March 18 17:07 GMT (UK)
John Costley was still living in 1901. He died in 1907. On the 1901 census, John & Eliza were living in Magheramesk (house 1) with their son Thomas and a visitor (Margaret Cassidy - 80 yrs old). Thomas was 11, their only child living with them, so I was thinking he could be their last.

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Magheramesk/Magheramesk/999597/
Title: Re: Magheramesk / COSTLEY - CARSON
Post by: hallmark on Saturday 03 March 18 17:13 GMT (UK)
All Costley, Antrim born, C of I,   in 1901 census  http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lot/
Title: Re: Magheramesk / COSTLEY - CARSON
Post by: hallmark on Saturday 03 March 18 17:15 GMT (UK)
James??

http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Ballynadrentagh/Ballyclan/916794/
Title: Re: Magheramesk / COSTLEY - CARSON
Post by: SJ Bann on Saturday 03 March 18 17:38 GMT (UK)
Ah yes William James, this one isn't him...but I remember coming across him during my research. William James is my 2x great grandfather  ;D...
He and his sister Ellen were working for the Irvine family (house 30 Magheramesk) http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Magheramesk/Magheramesk/999623/

Margaret/Maggie was already married by 1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Aghalee/Ballynanaghten/1002744/

Not sure for certain but I think this is where George was in 1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Aghalee/Ballynanaghten/1002742/ 

And as I've said earlier, Thomas was living with his parents in Magheramesk in 1901.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Magheramesk/Magheramesk/999597/

I suspect Catherine & Eliza Ann could/should have been married by 1901 based on age.
On the Irish Genealogy site, more recent birth indexes also show the mother's maiden name which helped me find out more about Margaret, her husband & children, but this strategy hasn't worked for Catherine or Eliza Ann. Perhaps they didn't have children during the 1900s.
Title: Re: Magheramesk / COSTLEY - CARSON
Post by: hallmark on Saturday 03 March 18 18:07 GMT (UK)
Just search Marriages or Deaths for children...... find missing one's name
Title: Re: Magheramesk / COSTLEY - CARSON
Post by: SJ Bann on Saturday 03 March 18 18:17 GMT (UK)
I've tried just concentrating my research on Catherine or Eliza Ann (name variants, wildcard, BMD, immigration etc)...nothing on Irish Genealogy, FamilySearch, Ancestry...
But maybe it's worth starting afresh and going over information again. There's so much of it, it's very possible I've missed things along the way.

Thank you for all your time and suggestions. It has brought to light some of the weaker areas of my research I need to go back on. 
Title: Re: Magheramesk / COSTLEY - CARSON
Post by: costley111 on Wednesday 21 July 21 16:27 BST (UK)
Sorry to dig up an old post - but no way of private messaging. SJ Bann - I think our family tree maybe crosses with your GGG Grandfather John... let me know if you're still on this site!
Title: Re: Magheramesk / COSTLEY - CARSON
Post by: aghadowey on Wednesday 21 July 21 20:59 BST (UK)
Welcome to Rootschat  :) you need 2/3 posts before you can use Personal Message system (reply here with something brief like 'okay' and that should do it)
Title: Re: Magheramesk / COSTLEY - CARSON
Post by: SJ Bann on Tuesday 10 August 21 23:12 BST (UK)
Hi Costley111,

Apologies, I have just seen your post.

I will need to look back on my research. I have been doing much the last few years.

I'll get back to you about John Costley.

Take care

S
Title: Re: Magheramesk / COSTLEY - CARSON
Post by: ANNECOYLEMELANSON on Thursday 12 August 21 14:16 BST (UK)
A warm hello from Halifax, Nova Scotia! This is my first post on RootsChat.

I am endeavouring to research a family tree for my father for his upcoming 80th birthday as a surprise. He is from Saint John NB and Irish on both sides.

I'm looking for any parental or sibling information for ELLEN COSTLEY b. circa 1835. Based on my research I believe she may have come from Antrim/Armagh/Down area. She emigrated from Saint John, New Brunswick, Canada (without family, perhaps) some time prior to 1854, when she was married in Saint John. I have done a fair bit of research through all the "usual channels" including DNA and I'm hoping other Costley/Costly family researchers out there might help piece this one together. Cheers from here, Anne