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Title: A complicated story - do you get the same conclusion
Post by: BenRalph on Sunday 04 March 18 16:52 GMT (UK)
I have spent over a decade looking into all lines of my family but spent a lot of the time on one line in particular. I think we (my uncle & me) have finally cracked it, but thought it may be a bit of fun (and hopefully show someone else can work it out too, which will prove it's correct) to see if anybody else can get the same outcome from what info we had. A bit of a game, if you like.

It concerns my great grandfather's family. The Kirby line.

This is the info we had:
William Kirby (1912-1968, Leeds
His parents were William Rain Kirby (1887-1948) & May Clark (1889-1953). Both of Leeds.
We knew William Rain had a brother, Samuel, who lived 'down south'.
William Rain & May's marriage showed William's father as John Aaron Raine Kirby, labourer.

That's all we knew.

Nearly every tree on Ancestry has the wrong in, and mine is Dojackson149 so if you are trying to work this out then you might want to stay clear of Ancestry trees.

Hope you don't get as confused as we did.
Title: Re: A complicated story - do you get the same conclusion
Post by: Viktoria on Sunday 04 March 18 17:48 GMT (UK)
I have to confess I cannot understand your post,could you clarify it please.?
                                                              Viktoria.
Title: Re: A complicated story - do you get the same conclusion
Post by: groom on Sunday 04 March 18 17:54 GMT (UK)
I have to confess I cannot understand your post,could you clarify it please.?
                                                              Viktoria.

Neither can I Viktoria - I'm not sure what BenRalph is asking us to do.
Title: Re: A complicated story - do you get the same conclusion
Post by: BenRalph on Sunday 04 March 18 17:57 GMT (UK)
I have solved the complicated story of a line of my family and thought it'd be fun for others to try and work it out with only the info that I had when I started searching.

I think it may have been better in the Lighter Side section.

Sorry for the confusion.
Title: Re: A complicated story - do you get the same conclusion
Post by: PaulineJ on Sunday 04 March 18 17:58 GMT (UK)

If you are at all unsure of your  records, deductions etc, the you relate them on here in full and ask for it to be verified.

That means census entries (give links on familysearch)
the birth certificates that you followed. (eg , you've given no address nor occupation on that 1912 birth)
The marriage certs that you followed. (include ages, residences, witnesses)

If something is awry, you'll be told.
Title: Re: A complicated story - do you get the same conclusion
Post by: Viktoria on Sunday 04 March 18 18:07 GMT (UK)
Sorry Ben ,but there is nothing at all that is reasonably obvious to go on.
Is that really all you got? Wherever did you start for I cannot see anything that is even sensible.
You have got us curious now so a little more info please. Viktoria.
Title: Re: A complicated story - do you get the same conclusion
Post by: avm228 on Sunday 04 March 18 18:14 GMT (UK)
Not even sure what the question is, but a William Rain Kirby born 06.03.1887 was baptised 04.05.1887 at Christ Church, Leeds.  Parents John (labourer) and Sarah.

GRO shows William Rain Kirby, mmn Allen, birth reg Jun qtr 1887 Hunslet.
Title: Re: A complicated story - do you get the same conclusion
Post by: rosie99 on Sunday 04 March 18 18:15 GMT (UK)
KIRBY, WILLIAM  RAIN     mmn ALLEN     
1887  June Quarter in HUNSLET  Volume 09B  Page 267

Marriages Dec 1872 
Allen    Sarah       
KIRBY    John       
 Leeds    9b   590   
Title: Re: A complicated story - do you get the same conclusion
Post by: mazi on Sunday 04 March 18 18:19 GMT (UK)
Some background here

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=785123.msg6405200#msg6405200

Mike
Title: Re: A complicated story - do you get the same conclusion
Post by: Annette7 on Sunday 04 March 18 18:50 GMT (UK)
I didn't look at the other thread and just followed the line from John Aaron Rain Kirby - in a nutshell, his birth registered as John Aaron Raine, with parents Aaron Raine and mother Ann Parkinson.

However, his parents weren't married - she had previously been married to a Kirby so when she registered her children with Aaron they should have been registered as Kirby and not Raine as Kirby was his mothers legal surname i.e. John Aaron Raine should have been John Aaron Raine Kirby which name he later became known by.

Simples!

 
Title: Re: A complicated story - do you get the same conclusion
Post by: avm228 on Sunday 04 March 18 19:49 GMT (UK)
Simples!

 :)

“Complicated” is when they book themselves on a vessel to New York but in fact board another ship to Montevideo under an assumed name (albeit a slightly unimaginative one), then spend the next 20 years on the run in the Amazon Basin, occasionally registering a birth in Bolivia or Brazil, before finally resurfacing for their eldest daughter’s marriage in Paraguay. (Gotta love my lot) :)
Title: Re: A complicated story - do you get the same conclusion
Post by: groom on Sunday 04 March 18 21:57 GMT (UK)
Simples!

 :)

“Complicated” is when they book themselves on a vessel to New York but in fact board another ship to Montevideo under an assumed name (albeit a slightly unimaginative one), then spend the next 20 years on the run in the Amazon Basin, occasionally registering a birth in Bolivia or Brazil, before finally resurfacing for their eldest daughter’s marriage in Paraguay. (Gotta love my lot) :)

Must be a great story behind that. What did they do to have to go on the run?
Title: Re: A complicated story - do you get the same conclusion
Post by: avm228 on Sunday 04 March 18 22:29 GMT (UK)
Groom - they went on the run because fraud had been discovered - to the tune of $5m (a very big number in 1894!).  It was quite the journey to find them, as you can imagine, though once I cracked it the evidence was eye-opening, to say the least.   At the time he and the family were being sought by US and UK authorities plus an array of mercenaries hired by disgruntled creditors.  I’d better not hijack BenRalph’s thread to be all about my dodgy gg-grandfather, though ;)

My starting information (from my mum):  “Great-granny [alias name] was married somewhere in South America.  I think her parents were originally Scottish though (hmmm...English father & Scots-American mother).  Not sure why they were over there, but you never know, it might be worth looking into”.