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General => The Common Room => Topic started by: BenRalph on Sunday 04 March 18 16:52 GMT (UK)
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I have spent over a decade looking into all lines of my family but spent a lot of the time on one line in particular. I think we (my uncle & me) have finally cracked it, but thought it may be a bit of fun (and hopefully show someone else can work it out too, which will prove it's correct) to see if anybody else can get the same outcome from what info we had. A bit of a game, if you like.
It concerns my great grandfather's family. The Kirby line.
This is the info we had:
William Kirby (1912-1968, Leeds
His parents were William Rain Kirby (1887-1948) & May Clark (1889-1953). Both of Leeds.
We knew William Rain had a brother, Samuel, who lived 'down south'.
William Rain & May's marriage showed William's father as John Aaron Raine Kirby, labourer.
That's all we knew.
Nearly every tree on Ancestry has the wrong in, and mine is Dojackson149 so if you are trying to work this out then you might want to stay clear of Ancestry trees.
Hope you don't get as confused as we did.
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I have to confess I cannot understand your post,could you clarify it please.?
Viktoria.
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I have to confess I cannot understand your post,could you clarify it please.?
Viktoria.
Neither can I Viktoria - I'm not sure what BenRalph is asking us to do.
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I have solved the complicated story of a line of my family and thought it'd be fun for others to try and work it out with only the info that I had when I started searching.
I think it may have been better in the Lighter Side section.
Sorry for the confusion.
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If you are at all unsure of your records, deductions etc, the you relate them on here in full and ask for it to be verified.
That means census entries (give links on familysearch)
the birth certificates that you followed. (eg , you've given no address nor occupation on that 1912 birth)
The marriage certs that you followed. (include ages, residences, witnesses)
If something is awry, you'll be told.
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Sorry Ben ,but there is nothing at all that is reasonably obvious to go on.
Is that really all you got? Wherever did you start for I cannot see anything that is even sensible.
You have got us curious now so a little more info please. Viktoria.
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Not even sure what the question is, but a William Rain Kirby born 06.03.1887 was baptised 04.05.1887 at Christ Church, Leeds. Parents John (labourer) and Sarah.
GRO shows William Rain Kirby, mmn Allen, birth reg Jun qtr 1887 Hunslet.
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KIRBY, WILLIAM RAIN mmn ALLEN
1887 June Quarter in HUNSLET Volume 09B Page 267
Marriages Dec 1872
Allen Sarah
KIRBY John
Leeds 9b 590
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Some background here
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=785123.msg6405200#msg6405200
Mike
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I didn't look at the other thread and just followed the line from John Aaron Rain Kirby - in a nutshell, his birth registered as John Aaron Raine, with parents Aaron Raine and mother Ann Parkinson.
However, his parents weren't married - she had previously been married to a Kirby so when she registered her children with Aaron they should have been registered as Kirby and not Raine as Kirby was his mothers legal surname i.e. John Aaron Raine should have been John Aaron Raine Kirby which name he later became known by.
Simples!
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Simples!
:)
“Complicated” is when they book themselves on a vessel to New York but in fact board another ship to Montevideo under an assumed name (albeit a slightly unimaginative one), then spend the next 20 years on the run in the Amazon Basin, occasionally registering a birth in Bolivia or Brazil, before finally resurfacing for their eldest daughter’s marriage in Paraguay. (Gotta love my lot) :)
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Simples!
:)
“Complicated” is when they book themselves on a vessel to New York but in fact board another ship to Montevideo under an assumed name (albeit a slightly unimaginative one), then spend the next 20 years on the run in the Amazon Basin, occasionally registering a birth in Bolivia or Brazil, before finally resurfacing for their eldest daughter’s marriage in Paraguay. (Gotta love my lot) :)
Must be a great story behind that. What did they do to have to go on the run?
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Groom - they went on the run because fraud had been discovered - to the tune of $5m (a very big number in 1894!). It was quite the journey to find them, as you can imagine, though once I cracked it the evidence was eye-opening, to say the least. At the time he and the family were being sought by US and UK authorities plus an array of mercenaries hired by disgruntled creditors. I’d better not hijack BenRalph’s thread to be all about my dodgy gg-grandfather, though ;)
My starting information (from my mum): “Great-granny [alias name] was married somewhere in South America. I think her parents were originally Scottish though (hmmm...English father & Scots-American mother). Not sure why they were over there, but you never know, it might be worth looking into”.