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Old Photographs, Recognition, Handwriting Deciphering => Handwriting Deciphering & Recognition => Topic started by: warpo on Wednesday 07 March 18 09:58 GMT (UK)
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Could anyone please help me decipher what was noted being wrong with this person.
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Lunatic unfortunately.
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Thanks for your reply, is it possible to be considered a lunatic and still working?
Maybe I should give you the full line of the census.
He lived for a further 30 years and the 1881 and 1891 never noted any issues, just this census in 1871.
He also worked as a farmer and shepherd until his death, so I would assume it'd be difficult if he was lunatic.
He Lived at Banks Lane here. The "L" on Lane is very different if the word i'm looking for starts with an L.
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As a farm labourer I would think it quite possible, lunacy covered a variety of levels, including what today would be described as having learning difficulties.
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Ahh I see, that would explain it then. Thank you very much.
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Yes, and many people who had learning difficulties would today be trained and could do a variety of jobs.
Sadly that was not done until quite recently.
There is a café at an old hall in Greater Manchester, run by the local council,where many of the staff have learning difficulties.On our visits we were served politely,it was very clean and the staff were friendy.They were very conscientious in that dirty pots were promptly removed,tables cleaned and we were thanked for our visit.
Vandals set fire to the café and it is hoped is open again.
Also they were obviously happy. That is everyone`s birth right.
Poor man ,he would not be expected to be able to do very much. Let`s hope he was kindly treated.
Viktoria.
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Was a shock to be told Lunacy. Id have thought working all his life, married with loads of kids, lunacy was the last thing on my mind.
I did noyice there was a tick next to number 3 - imbecile or idiot.
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Alternatively , is it perhaps the word Lincoln ? The birthplace isn't written very clearly and the word could be an attempt at clarification , although that would be quite unusual.
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One comment for an ancestor of mine, under the same column in the 1891 census, states a 9 year girl as "petulant".
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Back in these days, women that were hormonal due to their monthly comings, or pregnancy, could be certified as lunatics if (I think it was 2 medics) agreed. Quite often, husbands used to have their wives certified as a lunatic in order to get them locked up out of the way. I'm not sure exactly when this stopped happening but there was a mother and child home in our local town until the 1950s I think just it was, with many of the women having been placed in there for this reason and had spent almost their entire lives in there.
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Alternatively , is it perhaps the word Lincoln ? The birthplace isn't written very clearly and the word could be an attempt at clarification , although that would be quite unusual.
There seems to be a question mark after his birthplace. I think the word could indeed be Lincoln. It isn't in the same handwriting as the rest of the page, which indicates it's been written in later, and not by the enumerator. Possibly by someone extracting birthplaces for statistical purposes.
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I agree with Christine 53 that the word is Lincoln.
William
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I agree with Christine 53 that the word is Lincoln.
So do I.
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There seems to be a question mark after his birthplace.
On second thoughts I don't think it's a question mark. I think the enumerator wrote Lincolnshr and I misinterpreted the superscript 'r' as a question mark.
However, I still agree that the word in question is Lincoln, and it's an attempt at clarification of the county, which unfortunately has been written in the infirmities column.
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Looking at the census page, I would suggest that the place would be Caenby (spelt Cainby in the census).
It's about 10 miles up the A15 from Burton, his wife's place of birth.
EDIT: He was at Caenby in 1841 census, aged 8.
In 1851, at Glentham, birthplace given as Normanby (adjacent to Caenby).
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Yes I originally thought it said Lincoln, but with the tick alongside the number 3-imbecile or idiot, I wanted to clarify with rootschat.
The Census I read and how was transcribed was "Camby", but is indeed Caenby.
Thank you all so much for your help.
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but with the tick alongside the number 3-imbecile or idiot,
Not quite sure what you mean by this? Apart from the word which we now know to be Lincoln there are no other entries in the 'Infirmities' column on this page :-\
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In the description of the columns, to the right of number three there is a distinct tick.
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In the description of the columns, to the right of number three there is a distinct tick.
As that box is a heading for the whole column , how would you possibly know to which entry on the page it referred ? I think it's just a random mark.
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In the description of the columns, to the right of number three there is a distinct tick.
As that box is a heading for the whole column , how would you possibly know to which entry on the page it referred ? I think it's just a random mark.
Agree totally :)
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My bad im sorry. I just assumed that since he was the only one with something in the column on that page then it would've refered to him.
Another case of "Don't Assume".
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The handwriting of the word
Lunatic Lincoln seems to match the writing of the page header St. Botolph's which does suggest something written later than the bulk of the page, as suggested to clarify the entry.