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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Peeblesshire => Topic started by: fataussie on Saturday 06 August 05 13:01 BST (UK)
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Hi
Does anyone have a connection to our provide information on
Richard Ramage (b abt 1768 Eddleston) who married Mary Murray (b abt 1772 Eddleston) abt 1792 in Eddleston.
Children
Mary b abt 1785-1793 Temple MLN m John Donaldson 1811
John cr 26/3/1893 Eddleston
Elizabeth R b abt 1799 Temple MLN m James Pringle abt 1840
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Hi Bryan,
Hoping you and family are well. Discovered that our Richard Ramage remarried on the 30th of May 1802 to Jean Anderson in Temple, Midlothian. I found 4 children of this marriage who were: George b. 20/03/1803, William b. 01/03/1805, John Anderson b. 18/08/1806 and Alison b. 27/11/1808. All born in Temple.
In the 1881 Census William Ramage age 76 (shepherd) born Temple was living with his daughter Janet and her husband James Young at Hollybush in Galashiels.
William Ramage widower of Janet Clark and son of Richard Ramage (Shepherd) and Jean Anderson died 18 October 1886 at Withknowe, Galashiels. Cause of death: Cardiac Arthemia. The informant was his son James Ramage of 12 Glebe Place, Galashiels.
Best regards,
Maggie
P.S. Last year had a third cousin from Australia visit and expecting another in a few weeks (McKean side of the family).
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Hi Cuz
Well that is a surprise.
Helen & I have been chasing up the info have have found a bit more on the IGI (check for a Richard Remage), Helen Ramage married a Andrew Pringle on 15/12/1810 & in 1841 were living 5 doors from John Donaldson in Temple.
I will get it all together soon & send it to you.
Cheers
Bryan
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Hi,
Noticed you are researching the Ramage family and i wondered whether you by any chance know of Adam Ramage who married Jean Mcphail they had 2 children born in the 1920's Jean and John. They lived in the Glasgow area.
Jean senior left Adam and later married ? Mckinnon who she had 2 sons by Duncan and Joe.
I believe that the name was also sometimes Fyfe Ramage.
I would be very grateful if you have any information on this family.
Kindest Regards
Jackie
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Hi Jackie
Sorry my Ramage research only goes up to abt 1880 so far.
The families we have found so far were from around Edleston & Innerleithen in Peebles, Temple in Midlothian & Galashiels in Selkirk.
Cheers
Bryan
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Hi Bryan,
Thanks for the reply
Regards
Jackie
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I have the headstone inscription here plus the photo.
Mary Murray Spouse to Richard Ramage Shepherd at Outerston died 3rd May 1799 aged 34 years.
I am researching the area and have around 97% of the names and photos of all the headstones in Temple Graveyard.
Hope this helps.
Best regards.
Archie.
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Hi Archie,
Thank you very much for attaching the headstone photograph. Much appreciated!
Best wishes,
Maggie
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No problem Maggie I am only to glad to help, anything else you need ?.
Best.
Archie
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Hi Archie,
I missed the gravestone of Mary Ramage nee Murray when I lasted visited Temple Kirkyard but found the Cornwall headstone of another branch of my ancestors. I'm very grateful to you.
Many thanks,
Maggie
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Hi Archie
Thank you very much for the photo, it means a lot to us in the Colonies.
I only wish I could get there myself.
Would there be any other Ramages or Donaldsons with headstones.
Cheers
Bryan
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Hi Maggie
It's a long time since I heard from you, I sent a couple of emails & they bounced.
Hope you are keeping well.
Cheers
Bryan
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Hi Maggie and Bryan,
good to hear you are happy with what I sent you, right then I have a attached a photo of John Donaldson's Headstone, it is sadly the worse for wear, but you can make out his name at least. On the stone it reads, ( Erected by John Donaldson in memory of William Donaldson ) it seems that another message or date are all worn away.
Ramage. In the old record book that is badly written there is Thomas Ramage
( 8/12/1888 ), and buried in the same ground is Margaret Brown ( 26/9/1914 ). We then have a Jane Alison Ramage ( 21/1/1897 ), Mary Anderson Ramge
( 11/9/1903 ), Euphemia Ramage ( 17/4/1924 ), Richard Ramage ( 14/3/1931 ), Helen Ramage ( 17/3/1948 ) they are all in the same plot. I have put an arrow pointing to where the plot is at the fence, it is behind the stone with the steps behind the Cross about 20 feet away. I will send anoteher after this.
Quote. If I can make someone smile I have made their day. :)
Best
Archie.
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You will see exactly where John Donaldson is buried in the photo with the arrow.
I have attached a photo of where the other Ramages are buried, the problem is there is one stone on top of the other, I have no idea which is theirs, sorry about that. The Council has informed me that money is short and they have cut back on the maintenance on the graveyards, I will have to do a bit of begging and see if I can take it over, I could make it look really nice.
What part of Australia are you in ?, we are off on Tuesday to Brisbane for 4 weeks, 1st week we are staying in Amaroo then 3 weeks in Elimbah Q.L. then on the way back 3 nights in Singapore.
Best.
Archie.
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Hi Archie,
Many thanks once again - your pictures are wonderful. Do you have family buried in the Kirkyard?
Bryan, I'll send you my new email address.
Regards,
Maggie
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No family buried there I am a R.C. though that makes no difference, we are all the same, and at the end of the day we all pray to the same man up there.
This was a presbyterian Church the one further up the village was the Free Church, they even had their own school, and a bit of in fighting in the village I heard.
I am a Scottish Knight Templar and that is why I have a great interest in the area, I have been digging up information for the past 5 years, this was the HQ of the Templars in Scotland.
The villagers are very nice and will help if they can.
I discovered a Knight Templar stone inside the church in 2006, it has been there for years and nobody knew what it was, I was lucky to see it for what it is, the stone is now in Rosslyn Chapel in the Crypt for safety, I will send it to you after this.
I have attached photos of the two Presbyterian schools, the original is outside the gates of the old ruined church, the school was built in 1688 and closed around 1803, in that year the new school was opened and that unfortunately closed last year.
Best.
Archie.
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Here it is the Templar Stone, I cleaned up the photo to reveal what it would have looked like new, it dates from between the 13th to the 14th century,
Best.
Archie.
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Hi Archie,
Thank you very much for the further interesting photographs. Amazing to know that you discovered the historic stones. Quite something! Also fascinating to know that you are dedicated to preserving Scottish history. Do you know if there's a book on Old Temple? I have one on Old Gorebridge with a few pics of Temple.
Best wishes,
Maggie
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Hi Maggie,
I don't think there is one on Temple, I have been to the Gorebridge Library and asked for materials on Temple, the stuff they gave me was for the whole area not just Temple itself.
With Temple being historacle there is not much on it, for instance if you look at the photo of the original school from 1688, attached to that going down towards the Mill House there were 5 cottages, there were 2 cottages just over the little bridge they were on the left, there is a cottage on the right just over the bridge, plus the Manse, these made up the original Temple Village.
When the Laird called Patrick Murray of Deuchar died Dundas of Arniston owned the big house in Temple, there is an Arch still standing in the field, photo attached, Dundas feud out the large house and people purchased the stones from it, that's when the Village we see today grew, the first house dating from 1760 onwards, I have attached one of 1761.
On the lintle there are initials J. B. or could be T. B. it states that the house was built by Alexander Temple but that's not what the initials tell us, however, in the centre of the lintle you can see the Square and Dividers, this shows the person was a Stone Mason, I will send one of a Master Stone Mason after this.
Best.
Archie.
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This picture shows the Master Stone Mason Sign, three Castles plus the Square and Dividers, his name was Andrew Cockburn.
Archie.
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Hi Archie
Thank you very much for the photos & the history.
It certainly adds a bit more to the lives of our Ancestors.
I am in a little town called Barham which is on the New South Wales & Victorian border which unfortunately about 1500km from Brisbane.
I hope you have a very restful holiday & watch out for the crocs. :)
Cheers
Bryan
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Thanks Bryan they will certainly have a lot to feed on, anyway we could do with a good break, we are flying with Emirates Airline, sop at Dubai overnight then onto Singapore for 2hrs then to Brisbane, should arrive at around six in the morning. Heading home we stop off at Singapore for three nights, then onto Dubai again for two hours then back to Glasgow and off to Edinburgh.
I have attached 2 photos of the interior of the Church.
See ya.
Archie
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Hi folks,
well here I am back in the land of the living and freezing cold, had a great time in Australia but Singapore sucks.
I was wondering if I could perhaps plant some small flowers at your kins graves, I have been onto the council kicking up hell about the state of the graveyard. so I wait and see what happens.
I was thinking of getting in touch with the local schools to see if I can get the kids to help out, such as adopting a gravestone and planting flowers at them, if they get the go ahead, I will see if the local places that sell plants will donate any or get them at a reduced price.
I feel that there is no colour about the place and a nice burst of flowers would make it a more cheery place to visit rather than being bland.
Archie.
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Not my family, but lovely photos! :)
I am fascinated by the Templars and I take photos of any Templar site that I can find.
Unfortunately, though I love that country, I haven't been to Scotland for ages ~ and I hadn't developed my Templar interest back then. :)
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Hi Archie
I am glad you had a good time here in OZ & you didn't get eaten by one of those Queensland sharks or crocs. :D
I would be most happy if you could plant some flowers as the chance of us getting ever getting a chance to visit is very remote unless our Lotto numbers come up.
The idea of involving the local Schools is a great idea & I hope the Local Council comes on board as well.
Thanks again for all your help & let us know how the project
goes.
Cheers
Bryan
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Hi Bryan,
I will go ahead with the plan, thanks for your consent.
I had a near miss with a Brown snake one day, it was at my feet and I never felt it, my cousin spotted it and told me to stay still, I knew right away something was up, he then told me to walk slowly towards him, held out his hand an yanked me towards him, and this was in a built up area. I saw another two snakes, one Red Belly and another Brown, boy can that Brown snake take off, as fast as lightening.
Best.
Archie.
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I've just come across this post while looking for info on John Anderson Ramage. Richard Ramage and his 2nd wife Jean Anderson were my 4x Gr Grandparents. I also have the photo of Mary Murray's headstone (attached). I do have a family tree which was done by a gr gr aunt some years ago, so not sure just how accurate it is!
Sheila
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Hi Shiela
I have sent you a personal message.
Bryan