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Hi
I am researching the contents of the diary of an East Cleveland YKS Ironstone Miner William Rowbottom which he kept between 1873 and 1925. Many of the entries are vague but I have managed to confirm most and add additional information.
Please could anyone help me fill out details of the following entry as I do not have access to Australian records.
2nd November 1923 Alf Wedgwood sale. He went to Australia.
Following is the biographical details I have so far
WEDGWOOD Alfred br 1876 Skelton & Harriet (COOKE) br 1857 Timberland LIN, Fruiters etc ,58-60 High St Lingdale 1911 and Kellys 1921
Many Thanks
John
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Death (reg 9344) - Alfred Wedgwood, 1952, Clayton, Victoria, aged 76, born Yorkshire, mother Harriett (Cook) father Joseph Wedgwood
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Wedgwood - On July 19 (suddenly), at his residence, Clayton-road, Clayton, Alfred, dearly beloved brother of Frances Mary Langley, aged 76 years.
1952 'Family Notices', The Age (Melbourne, Vic. : 1854 - 1954), 22 July, p. 9. , viewed 08 Mar 2018, http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article206217615
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Wedgwood - On July 19 (suddenly), at his residence, Clayton-road, Clayton, Alfred, dearly beloved brother of Frances Mary Langley, aged 76 years.
1952 'Family Notices', The Age (Melbourne, Vic. : 1854 - 1954), 22 July, p. 9. , viewed 08 Mar 2018, http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article206217615
The funeral notice is on the same page.
At Springvale: Springvale Botanical Cemetery Wedgwood Alfred Cremated 22-7-1952 Tristania, Wall 4A, Niche 79
Jamjar
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The sister:
1972 22422 LANGLEY Frances Mary parents WEDGWOOD Joseph and Harriet (Cook) birth Yorkshire England death Murrumbeena Aged 86
Springvale Botanical Cemetery Langley Frances Mary Buried 25-9-1972 C E Bolingbroke Lawn, Row AK, Grave 28
Jamjar
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Passenger list for Themistocles dept. London 7 November 1923 for Australia has a group of people listed with UK address of 60 High st Lingdale that includes Alfred Wedgwood and Harriet Langley (10)
Some others surname starting B that I cant yet make out.
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Hi,
Shipping records show that Mr Alfred WEDGWOOD, 46, farmer departed as a 3rd class passenger from London for Melbourne on the Themistocles on 7th November 1923.
1925 Commonwealth Electoral Roll
WEDGWOOD, Alfred, Mine rd., Koorumburra, driver
1927 Commonwealth Electoral Roll
ditto
1928 Commonwealth Electoral Roll
ditto
1942 Commonwealth Electoral Roll
District of Henty, Sub District of Oakleigh.
WEDGWOOD Alfred, 49 George st., S.E. 12, Nil.
(Nil = nil occupation)
ditto
1949 Commonwealth Electoral Roll
WEDGEWOOD Alfred, Foster rd., Notting Hill, labourer
Gerry
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Passenger list for Themistocles dept. London 7 November 1923 for Australia has a group of people listed with UK address of 60 High st Lingdale that includes Alfred Wedgwood and Harriet Langley (10)
Some others surname starting B that I cant yet make out.
Bowers? Charles, Eva, Hilda, Cecil
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Death of a son of Frances:
16039 1987 LANGLEY John parents LANGLEY John and Frances Mary (Wedgwood) birth Guisborough Yorkshire England death Melbourne East Aged 73
Jamjar
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Marriage - Frances M Wedgwood and John Langley Guisborough, Yorkshire 1912
Harriet M Langley born 1912, John Langley born 1914 Guisborough, Yorkshire mother Wedgwood
Add - a news article from 1931 says that Frances was a war widow
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Passenger list Strathmore dept. London 18 Feb 1958 for Sydney
Langley, John dob 22 Dec 1913, metal merchant
Langley, Frances Mary dob 1 May 1886, housewife
Langley, N***a dob 1941, shop asst.
UK address 40 Tudor st, Thurnscoe.
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Passenger Manifest
Orvieto departed London on 26th February 1921 for Melbourne.
LANGLEY, Mrs F, 36, housewife
LANGLEY, master, 7
Gerry
Modified the 'master' after the post, the person still might be living so took the first name initial off.
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Passenger list Strathmore dept. London 18 Feb 1958 for Sydney
Langley, John dob 22 Dec 1913, metal merchant
Langley, Frances Mary dob 1 May 1886, housewife
Langley, N***a dob 1941, shop asst.
UK address 40 Tudor st, Thurnscoe.
This burial has the same birth date and matches the sons VICBDM details:
Springvale Botanical Cemetery
John Robert Langley
R W Gillard, Row EV, Grave 33
Date of Birth: 22 December 1913
Date of Death: 4 July 1987
Date of Service: 9 July 1987
Aged 73
Added: With John
Marie Ethel Langley
Date of birth: 12 September 1914
Date of death: 5 October 2013
Date of service: 18 October 2013
Aged 99
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An online tree points to this possibly being the marriage of Harriet (Mary) Langley
Marriage (Vic 2745) - Joseph Gouldie McGuinness to Mary Langley 1932
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An online tree points to this possibly being the marriage of Harriet (Mary) Langley
Marriage (Vic 2745) - Joseph Gouldie McGuinness to Mary Langley 1932
Burial of both:
Springvale Botanical Cemetery
E E Simpson Lawn, Row Z, Grave 52
Mary Harriet Mcguinness
Date of Death: 21 October 1993
Date of Service: 25 October 1993
Aged 81
Gouldie Joseph Mcguinness
Date of Service: 16 July 1980
Aged 76
Added birth: LANGLEY, HARRIET MARY mmn WEDGWOOD
GRO Reference: 1912 D Quarter in GUISBOROUGH Volume 09D Page 919
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It would appear that Alfred may well belong to the Yorkshire branch of the Wedgwoods. There was an excellent website but I have not been able to find it. I did find an associate site Exciting Wedgwoods, but could not make much of it to my surprise.
The Wedgwood family all go back to a Gilbert Wedgwood 1588 to 1678, from Biddulph. He had a large family, the descendants of which have spread all over the world. He married Margaret Burslem 1594 to 1695 in 1612. Not suprisingly he was a potter. He later lived in Burslem. Gilbert is my husbands 8th times great grandfather.
The family starts with Randle Wedgwood c1231.
Sadly I do not have Alfred b 1876 in my database. It is not complete for more recent people.
My original information comes from "Wedgwood Pedigrees" by JC and JGE Wedgwood published in 1925.
There has been a lot of work done on this Wedgwood line since by John Pound Wedgwood and Philip Richards whose sites were the ones I was looking for. Philip Richards is the one you need for Wedgwoods of that era.
Thought you might like to know about all this. Good luck with your research and welcome to Wedgwood researchers.
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The marriage of Alfred’s folks:
Marriages Sep 1875 Guisbro' 9d 769
Cooke Harriet
Wedgewood Joseph
Jamjar
Added: Births
WEDGEWOOD Alfred Dec 1876 Guisbro' 9d 498 mmn COOKE
WEDGEWOOD Frances Mary June 1886 Guisbro' 9d 531 mmn COOK
Jamjar
Added: Possible births
WEDGEWOOD, FANNY mmn COOK
GRO Reference: 1875 S Quarter in GUISBOROUGH Volume 09D Page 473
WEDGEWOOD, ELIJAH mmn COOKE
GRO Reference: 1877 J Quarter in GUISBROUGH Volume 09D Page 509
WEDGEWOOD, JANE ANN mmn COOK
GRO Reference: 1878 J Quarter in GUISBROUGH Volume 09D Page 528
WEDGEWOOD, WILLIAM mmn COOKE
GRO Reference: 1879 J Quarter in GUISBROUGH Volume 09D Page 518
WEDGEWOOD, JOHN GEORGE mmn COOKE
GRO Reference: 1881 M Quarter in GUISBROUGH Volume 09D Page 499
WEDGEWOOD, JOHN JOSEPH mmn COOK
GRO Reference: 1881 M Quarter in GUISBROUGH Volume 09D Page 499
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The family on the 1901 census at High St, Skelton, Yorkshire
Harriet Wedgwood Head Female 44 Timberland, Lincolnshire
Alfred Wedgwood Son Male 24 Lingdale, Yorkshire
Jane A Wedgwood Daughter Female 23 Lingdale, Yorkshire
William Wedgwood Son Male 22 Lingdale, Yorkshire
Joseph Wedgwood Son Male 20 Lingdale, Yorkshire
Frances M Wedgwood Daughter Female 14 Lingdale, Yorkshire
Harriet Borders Niece Female 10 Loftus, Yorkshire
1911
Harriet Wedgwood Head Female 54 Timberland Lincoln, Lincolnshire
Alfred Wedgwood Son Male 34 Lingdale, Yorkshire
John Alfred Wedgwood Son Male 30 Lingdale, Yorkshire
Frances Mary Wedgwood Daughter Female 24 Lingdale, Yorkshire
1891
Joseph Wedgwood Head Male 39 Skelton, Yorkshire, England
Harriet Wedgwood Wife Female 34 Timberland, Lincolnshire, England
Alfred Wedgwood Son Male 14 Skelton, Yorkshire, England
Jane Ann Wedgwood Daughter Female 13 Skelton, Yorkshire, England
William Wedgwood Son Male 12 Skelton, Yorkshire, England
John J Wedgwood Son Male 10 Skelton, Yorkshire, England
Frances M Wedgwood Daughter Female 4 Skelton, Yorkshire, England
Father Joseph was a fruiter and Harriet was, also, after his possible death.
Jamjar
Added: Father’s death?
WEDGWOOD, JOSEPH 39
GRO Reference: 1892 M Quarter in GUISBROUGH Volume 09D Page 343
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Re Wedgwood Pedigrees. I do not have a Joseph born in this timeframe that fits. This family seems to have been missed out. Will have another go later and see what I can find.
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Father Joseph’s christening.
Joseph Wedgewood
England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975
Name: Joseph Wedgewood
Christening Date: 3 April 1852
Christening Place: SKELTON BY GUISBOROUGH,YORK,ENGLAND
Father's Name: Joseph Wedgewood
Mother's Name: Frances
Jamjar
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Re Wedgwood Pedigrees. I do not have a Joseph born in this timeframe that fits. This family seems to have been missed out. Will have another go later and see what I can find.
Pelican, Joseph Snr, a shoemaker, and his family can be found in the census’ I think his wife’s maiden name was Seaton. I can see the family on the ‘51 census, but FamilySearch isn’t showing the ‘61. In ‘71 Joseph Jnr is with cousins the ‘Ord’ family.
Jamjar
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Commonwealth Electoral Rolls
1922
LANGLEY, Frances Mary, Mine rd, Kooumburra, home duties.
1925
LANGLEY, Frances Mary, Mine rd, Kooumburra, home duties.
(Alfred WEDGWOOD was also listed as Mine rd in this Roll)
1927
LANGLEY, Frances Mary, 156, Williamstown rd, home duties.
(Yarraville)
1931
LANGLEY, Frances Mary, Molle st, home duties.
(Oakleigh)
1936
LANGLEY, Frances Mary, Molle st, home duties.
(Oakleigh)
1937
LANGLEY, Frances Mary, Molle st, home duties.
(Oakleigh)
1942
LANGLEY, Frances Mary, Moller st, Se.E. 12, home duties.
(Oakleigh)
1949
LANGLEY, Frances Mary, Moller st, Se.E. 12, home duties.
(Oakleigh)
Also another address, maybe a move this year.
1949
LANGLEY, Frances Mary, Creamery Valley, rd, Toora, home duties.
1954
LANGLEY, Frances Mary, Clayton rd, Clayton, home duties.
1963
LANGLEY, Frances Mary, 386 Clayton rd, Clayton, home duties.
1972
LANGLEY, Frances Mary, 17, Andrew st, Oakleigh, hd.
Directories
1924 Sands PO Directory
LANGLEY, Mrs Frances M, confr, Korumburra.
1928, 1929, 1930, 1931, 1933, 1935, 1938, 1942 Sands PO Directory
LANGLEY, Mrs Frances M, Moller st, Oakleigh.
Gerry
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Jamjar I was referring to the database on my computer that was taken from the "Wedgwood Pedigrees" I was looking for a link that might take them back centuries. I did not make that clear did I!! Grr!!! Sorry.
There is plenty of modern information on here now about Alfred Wedgwood that should certainly help our friend.
Incidentally the Yorkshire Wedgewoods are the only ones historically that have an 'e' in the middle of their name. All the others have Wedgwood.
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This is an excellent description of the 1925 edition of "Wedgwood Pedigrees" if anyone wants to read it. http://www.alexisantiques.com/links/wedgwoodfamily.php
It is a rare book these days but might be available in a library somewhere. Inter Library Loan is useful as is International Library loan.
A better edition for the trees is the one I think was published in 1927, gives the trees to the 1925 book.
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Hello and a big thank you to everyone who has responded to my plea for help.
I am overehelmed by your responses and valuable information to say the least.
My aim is to publish my research on the contents of William Rowbottoms diary in due course on the Cleveland and South Durham Family History Society website.
I personally know descendants of Joseph Wedgwoods English family and will pass on the information you have given me. They believed there was some connection to the pottery industry and are ardent about the correct spelling of their surname.
Regards
John
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Hello John
Welcome to the Wedgwood researchers. Wedgwood is a microcosm of English genealogy, it encompasses all the facets of English life from the better off to the definitely less well off. It takes most of the occupations and professions from landed gentry to miners and potters of course. It includes Charles Darwin. It includes the beginning of photography. It includes those that emigrated to the far flung parts of the world. Of course it includes Josiah Wedgwood who was the famous potter. A fascinating family to study.
I mentioned "Wedgwood Pedigrees". I see it is including in World Cat,
https://www.worldcat.org/title/wedgwood-pedigrees-being-an-account-of-the-complete-family- -from-contemporary-records/oclc/23128886
so you might be able to find it in a library somewhere in the world. Even has the very rare 1900 edition, but that was superseded by the 1925 version. I cannot find an edition of the one with all the laid out pedigrees, 1927 I think, I once found in the Hampshire County Library in Winchester. Sadly they do not have a copy now. It is a big book, I carried it home on the bus and then had over a mile to walk! Copied it all out on large sheets, this was c1964, when computers came in I copied it all out again so I had a digital copy too. My original sheets still exist too.
John Pound Wedgwood had the whole of that book of laid out trees on his site "Wedgwood Pedigrees" but I cannot find that online now, only a reference to it on Philip Richards site "Exciting Wedgwoods" http://familyhistorian.info/exciting/wedgwood/index.html Philip can be contacted by an email link on that site.
The books are a very scholarly research, very readable, going back into the far distant past of old records so it is pretty accurate. Gives occupations too. They went round graveyards, went into church records etc etc. One thing they did which did bring in a few problems was that they wrote to Wedgwood families asking for their more modern trees. The upshot of that was they had a lot of replies and a lot of good information, but there were blanks where 'scandals' were concerned or the family 'story' given. Philip Richards has gone into the GRO records and checked it all, so he is the modern expert.
The question usually is am I descended from Josiah Wedgwood. Probably not, but could be. All modern Wedgwoods as I said earlier are descended from Gilbert Wedgwood who had a large family. They all left descendants. So all are connected.
I could not find Joseph or Alfred on my database, which was taken from the book, as I said. so Philip Richards is your best bet on that score.
Good luck with your publication of your work on Cleveland and South Durham Family History Society website. Perhaps you can gives us a link later. Would be most interested in reading it. I expect others who have helped on here would too.
Best wishes
Pelican