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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Raylen on Thursday 08 March 18 21:53 GMT (UK)
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Hi to you all,
Looking for some help to find out what happened to Emma Maggs.
She was born c1843 in Somerset, England to James Maggs and Harriet Martha Banfield.
The family of James, Harriet and children Emma (9), Joseph (6), Jemina (3) - she died at the Quarantine Station, Ticonderoga Bay, and Samuel (1) arrived 1853 in Victoria on "Ticonderoga"
I've found all the information I need for the family, including children Mary Jane, Jane and James who were born in Victoria after their arrival.
In her father's will dated September 1888 he mentions "his son Samuel Maggs, son James Maggs, daughter Jane Cook, daughter-in-law Mary Anne Maggs, each of my four children"
I can't find a death for Emma. Can someone see what they can find please.
Thanks for any help.
Raylen
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Looks like Emma was born in 1842:
MAGGS, EMMA mmn BANFIELD
GRO Reference: 1842 D Quarter in CLUTTON Volume 11 Page 91
I’m not having any luck finding her death or marriage. Could she have died on ship and death not recorded?
Jemima not 3 in 1853: MAGGS, JEMIMA mmn BANFIELD
GRO Reference: 1848 D Quarter in CLUTTON Volume 11 Page 91
Who is this Emma? There seems to be another Banfield/Maggs, in same area, having children after yours have sailed to OZ.
MAGGS, EMMA mmn BANFIELD
GRO Reference: 1854 J Quarter in CLUTTON Volume 05C Page 709
Jamjar
Added: On the ‘51 census ages are: Emma 8, Joseph 5 and Jemima 3
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An online tree has this (possible) death for her:
Death NSW reg 844/1923 Emma GALE fathers name MAGGS 81 years Katoomba
Husband was Albert, died in 1922
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The ship arrived December 1852. The monument has Jemima dying onboard, not in quarantine:
http://monumentaustralia.org.au/themes/disaster/pandemic/display/95617-%22ticonderoga%22-deaths
Jamjar
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Matthew, if I’m reading correctly the couple you mention were married in UK in 1851, heading of ‘Diamond Wedding’:
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article31652608
Jamjar
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Matthew, if I’m reading correctly the couple you mention were married in UK in 1851, heading of ‘Diamond Wedding’:
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article31652608
Jamjar
Yes, that's the address mentioned in the death notices
Not sure if its the right Emma but thought I'd mention it as a possible
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Is the 1851 date wrong for 60 years?
Did they mean 1860 or 70 yrs?
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Is the 1851 date wrong for 60 years?
Did they mean 1860 or 70 yrs?
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There's an 1860 Bristol marriage for Emma Maggs and Albert Gale
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Is the 1851 date wrong for 60 years?
Did they mean 1860 or 70 yrs?
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There's an 1860 Bristol marriage for Emma Maggs and Albert Gale
Bristol 31 January 1860, Father William Maggs
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Hi Raylen :D
Have you considered she may have died in the period between the arrival of the TICONDEROGA in Nov 1852 and commencement of civil registration in Jul 1853?
I see the first birth registered in Vic to this couple was at Koonong Creek in 1855.
Do you have either of James or Harriet's death certificates?
I've searched my Vic CD for the period and I cannot see a death for Emma.
I've attached her 1842 baptism for your records.
Cheers :)
Cando
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Thank you matthewj64 and Jamjar for your information.
Hi cando,
As usual, your suggestion is probably correct that she died before civil registration began. I haven't got the death certificates of the parents as Emma is just a distant "twig" on my tree who has had me baffled for a while.
Thanks for the baptism record.
Thanks again for the helpful information.
Raylen
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Hi I just saw your post on Emma Maggs - my great great grandmother was Emma Maggs. She died in Sydney Australia on 16 February 1923. She was married to Albert Gale - married in Bristol UK in 1860. About six years ago we found their grave in Rookwood Cemetary Sydney. Have a beautiful photo of the grave.
Her son, Albert Morley Gale was my mother’s grandfather.
Hope this is of help.
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Emma (nee MAGGS) and Albert GALE are still in Bristol in the 1861 census (mistranscribed with surname as Gate, but obviously GALE on the image)
Barton Hill, Bristol St George
Albert GALE 26, b Cornwall, Letter Press Planter/Painter?
Emma GALE 22 b St Georges Gloucestershire,
Emma Eliz GALE 5/12, b St Georges Gloucestershire,
The household listed just above this couple may be the mother of this Emma, or at least some relation. Households can be listed separately even if they are living in the same dwelling - eg, as in this case there is a widow and her son (and servant) while what may be her daughter and son-in-law listed as a separate entity.
Sarah MAGGS 61 Head, Widow, Market gardener, employing 9 men, 3 boys, 1 girl, b St George Gloucestershire
Joseph MAGGS 18, son, market gardener assistant, b St George Gloucestershire
Elizabh Andrew 61, servant, cook, b St George Gloucestershire
The 1851 census has this Sarah MAGGS with her husband William MAGGS, occ market gardener, at the same address as 1861. The Emma MAGGS married to Albert GALE gave her father's name as William.
Seems to me that this is almost certainly not the same Emma who came to Melbourne in 1852 - she is shown in 1851 with her family in Clutton, Somerset and listed as born Clutton (this census entry leaves blank the place of birth for all of the family except James. I would assume then, that they were all born Clutton, especially as Jamjar has given this birth reg index
MAGGS, EMMA mmn BANFIELD
GRO Reference: 1842 D Quarter in CLUTTON Volume 11 Page 91)
James Maggs 34, coal miner, b Clutton
Harriet Maggs 34
Emma Maggs 8
Joseph Maggs 5
Jamina Maggs 3
Judith
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This is possibly the birth reg of the Emma MAGGS who married Albert GALE.
(From FreeBMD)
March qr, 1840
Emma MAGGS, reg Bedminster Vol 11, p57
Bedminster registration district includes parts of Bristol
Judith
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Judith, I think it’s this one, as on the 1841 registration district is Clifton:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7MZ-VFV
MAGGS, EMMA mmn BATEMAN
GRO Reference: 1838 S Quarter in THE CLIFTON UNION Volume 11 Page 284
MAGGS, JOSEPH WALTER mmn BATEMAN
GRO Reference: 1843 M Quarter in THE CLIFTON UNION Volume 11 Page 285
Her on the 1851: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGKG-X8Z
The family on the 1851: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGBZ-72B
The death of this Emma: 844/1923 GALE Emma (- MAGGS) 81 YEARS KATOOMBA KATOOMBA
Death notice: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article16035855
She had been a school teacher, 5th column: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article126116723
Hubby died the year before.
His death and funeral notices:
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article15992159
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article15992125
Jamjar
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This is possibly the birth reg of the Emma MAGGS who married Albert GALE.
(From FreeBMD)
March qr, 1840
Emma MAGGS, reg Bedminster Vol 11, p57
Bedminster registration district includes parts of Bristol
Judith
No mother’s name:
MAGGS, EMMA
GRO Reference: 1840 M Quarter in BEDMINSTER Volume 11 Page 57
Jamjar
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Emma and Alberts children registered at Clifton Union:
GALE, EMMA ELIZABETH mmn MAGGS
GRO Reference: 1860 D Quarter in CLIFTON Volume 06A Page 84
GALE, CLARA ALBERTA mmn MAGGS
GRO Reference: 1862 J Quarter in CLIFTON Volume 06A Page 98
GALE, FANNY ROSINA mmn MAGGS
GRO Reference: 1864 S Quarter in CLIFTON Volume 06A Page 94
In NSW:
10336/1870 GALE Ada Athena parents ALBERT and EMMA GRAFTON)
10781/1872 GALE Albert Morley parents ALBERT and EMMA MACLEAN
I’d say it’s the correct family, but absolutely not related the the first Emma on this thread. A marriage in NSW:
3749/1886 MACINTOSH George R to GALE Fanny Rosena ST LEONARDS
Marriage: 3340/1884 MATTON Frederick O to GALE Emma E ST LEONARDS
Death: 4499/1950 MATTON Emma Elizabeth mmn ALBERT and EMMA MANLY
Death notice: http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article18141538
Jamjar
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Matthew, if I’m reading correctly the couple you mention were married in UK in 1851, heading of ‘Diamond Wedding’:
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article31652608
Jamjar
As posted previously, the Diamond Wedding for Emma and Albert:
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article31652608.
Kirribuck, most of the information provided on this thread did refer to your ancestors, who turned out not to be the Emma Gale, Raylen was looking for.
Jamjar
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So we still haven't found what happened to the Emma MAGGS, b abt 1843, Clutton, Somerset who arrived with her parents, James MAGGS and Harriet Martha nee Banfield, and siblings Joseph (6), Jemina (3) and Samuel (1) into Victoria 1853 per the Ticonderoga.
Judith