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Title: Sarah A How aged 15 in 1851 census
Post by: howe02 on Sunday 11 March 18 05:31 GMT (UK)
Found Sarah A How (estimated birth 1836) living with William and Sarah S Brisley (Sarah Sole nee Yates) both aged 33 years.   Sarah A How listed as niece and born Sheerness, Kent.   Also at same address Frank How 4 (nephew) - I think I have identified him as Frank Charles (son of Martha Sole Yates - Sarah's sister who married Baldwin Walter Howe) but no clue as to identity of Sarah A How - any clues or suggestions?     Can't find her in 1841 or 1861, where is birth/baptism record - did she marry or die? .. Alison
Title: Re: Sarah A How aged 15 in 1851 census
Post by: howe02 on Sunday 11 March 18 05:33 GMT (UK)
Forgot to give address of 1851 census
Cosington Farm, Aylesford, Kent
Title: Re: Sarah A How aged 15 in 1851 census
Post by: solidrock on Sunday 11 March 18 06:16 GMT (UK)
There's this birth maybe..

HOW, SARAH        mmn  RUFF        
GRO Reference: 1846  D Quarter in MEDWAY  Volume 05  Page 397
Title: Re: Sarah A How aged 15 in 1851 census
Post by: Kay99 on Sunday 11 March 18 06:29 GMT (UK)
Deleted -Wrong family
Title: Re: Sarah A How aged 15 in 1851 census
Post by: solidrock on Sunday 11 March 18 06:38 GMT (UK)
Frank is still there in 1861 joined by Martha S How, Niece age 10. born in London.  Maybe...

HOW, MARTHA        mmn   COTTINGTON      

GRO Reference: 1851  M Quarter in STEPNEY  Volume 02  Page 634
Title: Re: Sarah A How aged 15 in 1851 census
Post by: solidrock on Sunday 11 March 18 06:53 GMT (UK)
William Brisley  m  Sarah Sole Yates. Jun 1838    Sheppey    5   453

ADDED.

There are 2 possible marriages for Sarah..

How    Sarah.  Dec 1871,  Tunbridge    2a   1019
HOW    Sarah,  Mar 1875   Maidstone    2a   786   
Title: Re: Sarah A How aged 15 in 1851 census
Post by: howe02 on Sunday 11 March 18 08:52 GMT (UK)
Sarah A How was aged 15 years in 1851, so will look at the marriages but not sure how to verify if we don't know parents ........... thanks Alison
Title: Re: Sarah A How aged 15 in 1851 census
Post by: avm228 on Sunday 11 March 18 09:11 GMT (UK)
You would expect the How(e) children to be Martha’s offspring, since she is the family member who married a Howe (unless there are other links).  She and the younger Martha are with the Brisleys in 1871.

When did she marry Baldwin Howe?

There won’t be a birth registration for Sarah if her age of 15 in 1851 is correct, as she would have been born before civil registration was introduced with effect from 1 July 1837.
Title: Re: Sarah A How aged 15 in 1851 census
Post by: avm228 on Sunday 11 March 18 09:20 GMT (UK)
Frank is still there in 1861 joined by Martha S How, Niece age 10. born in London.  Maybe...

HOW, MARTHA        mmn   COTTINGTON      

GRO Reference: 1851  M Quarter in STEPNEY  Volume 02  Page 634

I think (looking at the 1851) that this Martha was born to Peter How and Ann nee Cottington, who married Dec qtr 1842 Horsham.

However, there is also a Martha Sarah How mmn Patey, birth reg Mar qtr 1851 Stepney 2 558

Update: forget this - she must be Martha Sole Howe mmn Yates, birth reg Mar qtr 1852 Bethnal Green
Title: Re: Sarah A How aged 15 in 1851 census
Post by: avm228 on Sunday 11 March 18 09:22 GMT (UK)
I now see that the Baldwin Walter Howe marriage to Mary Yates was Sep qtr 1842 Medway, so postdated Sarah’s birth by quite a distance.

So perhaps she was born to one or other of them before the marriage?
Title: Re: Sarah A How aged 15 in 1851 census
Post by: howe02 on Sunday 11 March 18 09:32 GMT (UK)
Baldwin Walter Howe was 18 in 1841 and living with his parents. So unlikely the parent of Sarah A How if the 1851 census age of 15 years is accurate then born approximately 1836 ...... Alison
Title: Re: Sarah A How aged 15 in 1851 census
Post by: avm228 on Sunday 11 March 18 09:37 GMT (UK)
Martha Howe nee Yates was 52 in 1871 so born abt 1819 - could have had a premarital child in her teens?
Title: Re: Sarah A How aged 15 in 1851 census
Post by: howe02 on Sunday 11 March 18 09:43 GMT (UK)
Now I am confused   
Baldwin Walter Howe 1822 - died before 1861
Martha Yates 1819 - 1905
Looking for Sarah A How possible birth year 1836 as she was 15 in 1851 census so don't think Baldwin and Martha are the parents
Title: Re: Sarah A How aged 15 in 1851 census
Post by: howe02 on Sunday 24 October 21 00:47 BST (UK)
An update on Baldwin Walter Howe who we thought had died as Martha indicated in 1861 and 1871 that she was a widow, although have not found a death record
Just recently a DNA link to a Howe in Wolverhampton started detailed and interesting research
Have found Baldwin Walter Howe had abandoned wife and children and started another family in Staffordshire which I have now followed and linked to the DNA person
Although I still have not found death or burial record for Baldwin Walter Howe - his son Frank says that father deceased at time of Frank's 1894 marriage so that narrows the gap to 1865 - 1894
Title: Re: Sarah A How aged 15 in 1851 census
Post by: Jool on Sunday 24 October 21 01:26 BST (UK)
Although I still have not found death or burial record for Baldwin Walter Howe - his son Frank says that father deceased at time of Frank's 1894 marriage so that narrows the gap to 1865 - 1894

You mention Frank's marriage in 1894, however this report in the Maidstone Telegraph 16 June 1866 states Frank Charles Howe died in 1866.
Title: Re: Sarah A How aged 15 in 1851 census
Post by: howe02 on Sunday 24 October 21 04:20 BST (UK)
That son is from his first marriage
There is another Frank Howe born abt 1865 (no birth record found as yet) who married 1894 and the only name is Frank - most unusual as suspect he has two names, might be ???? Frank Howe, but known as Frank