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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Berkshire => England => Berkshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: Deb Clark Rennie on Sunday 11 March 18 07:12 GMT (UK)
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Hoping to get some help with my 3 x great grandmother Mary Simmons born 1804 in Abingdon Berskshire according to census records. She married Henry Whitchurch in 1825 he was a bookmaker.
I think I have worked out who her parents are as on the 1861 census her brother James Simmons is living with the family. I believe she is the daughter of William and Susannah Simmons and although I've been able to find some of her siblings baptisims I've yet to find hers.
I have also DNA matched to another descendant of the Simmons family so I know I'm on the right track I just haven't been able to find her baptisim. I also think that earlier generations may have gone by Simmonds it seems perhaps the d was dropped at some point.
William Simmons her father was also a bootmaker.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Blessings
Deb
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Deb
Which church were the baptisms you found done at?
I have only managed to find this one at St Helens Abingdon
14 Aug 1803-Mary Ann SIMMONDS d William & Susan of St Nicholas'
Kim
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The younger 3 were all baptised here (see below) Mary and another brother William are two I haven't found. I wondered if Mary being born earlier perhaps different church the one you found looks to be about right?
James is the brother I found living with her and her husband Henry Whitchurch on the 1861 census. I then found this baptisim for James and two others Sussana and Thomas.
Mary named her first daughter Susan so I presumed this to be the right family. I found William and Susan (the parents) then living in St Ebbe with another son William born around 1813 also in Abingdon. To date though I haven't worked out what Susanna's maiden name is or when they were married. If Mary was born 1803 then I've wondered if there were more children born in between that I've not yet found. As there is a big age gap between her and James.
Thank you so much for your help.
James Simmons
Birth Date 8 Apr 1821
Gender Male
Event Type Baptism
Father William Simmons
Mother Susanna Simmons
Baptism Date 28 Jun 1821
Baptism Place Abingdon, Berkshire, England
Denomination Independent
Piece Title Piece 0282: Abingdon, Upper, Meeting House (Independent), 1799-1837
Blessings
Deb
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I've also thought this is Mary's fathers possible baptisim which is the same church you found baptisim for Mary
William Simmonds
Gender Male
Birth Place Abingdon, Berkshire, England
Baptism Date 18 Jul 1779
Baptism Place St. Nicholas, Abingdon, Berkshire, England
Father Robert Simmonds
Mother Sarah
FHL Film Number 1279443
Household Members
Name Age
Robert Simmonds
Sarah
William Simmonds
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This is the last census for brother Thomas it says St Helens on this too? James and Thomas were tailors William was bootmaker or cordwainer like his father. So I'm hopeful you've found the right baptisim for Mary?
Thomas Simmons
Age 57
Estimated Birth Year abt 1824
Relationship to Head Head
Spouse Elizabeth Simmons
Gender Male
Where born Abingdon St Helens, Berkshire, England
Civil parish Saint Peters
County/Island Berkshire
Country England
Street Address High Street
Marital Status Married
Occupation Retired Tailor
Registration district Wallingford
ED, institution, or vessel 3
Piece 1294
Folio 63
Page number
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Possible Marriage nearby County to Berkshire.
William SIMMONDS to Susannah TRUSS 30 August 1802, Amersham, Buckinghamshire
Bachelor/Spinster
(FreeREG)
Trish :)
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Oh thanks Trish that certainly looks like a possibility right time name etc.
I might do a DNA search for Truss and see if anything pops up
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As well as the Mary Ann that Deb found there are
1807 May 17, Lewiza, d/o William and Susanna, weaver
1809 Dec 24, Sarah, d/o William & Sarah, weaver of St Nicholas
Ian C
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As well as the Mary Ann that Deb found there are
1807 May 17, Lewiza, d/o William and Susanna, weaver
1809 Dec 24, Sarah, d/o William & Sarah, weaver of St Nicholas
Ian C
Thank you Ian so do you think Lewiza (1807) could be a sister to Mary Ann? Is the weaver part an occupation? I know on the census I had William as a cordwainer but two of his sons became tailors. Sarah born 1809 seems to have a different mother I knkw Susanna was still alive at this point so maybe different couple?
What do you think?
Deb
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Mary Ann names one of her daughters Louisa so sounds like the Lewiza you foind could well be a sister.
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It seems the Simmons move to St Ebbe Oxfordshire at some point and this is also where Mary is with her husband Henry Whitchurch. Blackfriars road seems to place to find them on the cencus records there is also a Henry Simmons on Blackfriars road along with his wife Maria and children he is born around 1801 and is a tailor. He must be related somehow too but have no idea how without having access to baptisim records. I've also not been able to find Mary's brother Williams baptisim either but I do have a DNA match to a descendant of his and he is found with his parents William and Susan on Blackfriars road in 1841.
Will Abingdon baptisims go online at any point? Need to move to the UK for 6 months :-)
Blessings
Deb
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I've also thought this is Mary's fathers possible baptisim which is the same church you found baptisim for Mary
William Simmonds
Gender Male
Birth Place Abingdon, Berkshire, England
Baptism Date 18 Jul 1779
Baptism Place St. Nicholas, Abingdon, Berkshire, England
Father Robert Simmonds
Mother Sarah
FHL Film Number 1279443
Household Members
Name Age
Robert Simmonds
Sarah
William Simmonds
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Hi Deb,
I've been looking in the Abingdon St. Nicholas transcripts and do not find a William Simmonds being bapt 18-7-1779 in fact there are no William Simmonds for the period 1764 to 1820 that I can see.
Also covered the Abingdon St.Helens records and again drawn a blank for William.
I wonder if its been missed and that record you quote could have been taken from the BTs.
Sorry I can't be more helpful
Alan
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I've also thought this is Mary's fathers possible baptisim which is the same church you found baptisim for Mary
William Simmonds
Gender Male
Birth Place Abingdon, Berkshire, England
Baptism Date 18 Jul 1779
Baptism Place St. Nicholas, Abingdon, Berkshire, England
Father Robert Simmonds
Mother Sarah
FHL Film Number 1279443
Household Members
Name Age
Robert Simmonds
Sarah
William Simmonds
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Hi Deb,
I've been looking in the Abingdon St. Nicholas transcripts and do not find a William Simmonds being bapt 18-7-1779 in fact there are no William Simmonds for the period 1764 to 1820 that I can see.
Also covered the Abingdon St.Helens records and again drawn a blank for William.
I wonder if its been missed and that record you quote could have been taken from the BTs.
Sorry I can't be more helpful
Alan
Thanks Alan .. forgive my ignorance but what is a BT? The record from above was from ancestry and also on find my past that was for William Senior but I've had no luck with William junior.
Thank you for taking the time to look for me much appreciated
Deb
First name(s) William
Last name Simmonds
Gender Male
Birth year -
Birth place Abingdon, Berkshire, England
Baptism year 1779
Baptism date 18 Jul 1779
Residence Abingdon, Berkshire, England
Place Abingdon
County Berkshire
Country England
Father's first name(s) Robert
Father's last name Simmonds
Mother's first name(s) Sarah
Mother's last name -
Record set England Births & Baptisms 1538-1975
Category Life Events (BDMs)
Subcategory Parish Baptisms
Collections from England, United Kingdom
Index (c) IRI. Used by permission of FamilySearch Intl
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Hi Deb,
The BTs usually refer to the Bishops Transcripts which were required to be produced each year to the ArchBishop of all Baptisms, Marriages & Burials that had taken place in the parish for the previous year.
The only way of being sure is to contact the Berkshire Records Office who hold the original parish registers and to enquire from them if his bapt. in 1779 appears.Their address is;
http://www.berkshirerecordoffice.org.uk/family-history/
They may charge a fee for doing so but if you say that his bapt. is on Ancestyry & FindMyPast there is every chance they confirm what you already know.
Alan
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Hi Deb,
The BTs usually refer to the Bishops Transcripts which were required to be produced each year to the ArchBishop of all Baptisms, Marriages & Burials that had taken place in the parish for the previous year.
The only way of being sure is to contact the Berkshire Records Office who hold the original parish registers and to enquire from them if his bapt. in 1779 appears.Their address is;
http://www.berkshirerecordoffice.org.uk/family-history/
They may charge a fee for doing so but if you say that his bapt. is on Ancestyry & FindMyPast there is every chance they confirm what you already know.
Alan
Wonderful thank you for the explanation :-)