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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Kildare => Topic started by: Lorcan Scott on Monday 12 March 18 01:49 GMT (UK)
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Family lore has it John (Leslie) was an Area Engineer for KCC and perished on railings while on a late return from a local public house. Date are confirmed as 11 Mar 1896, on probate doc. I know he was C of E/I but can get no records for Elizabeth or location for burial - any info on either very welcome.
I know they lived at some stage at 55 Duke Street, Athy.
Much thanks in advance,
L
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Have you found her on 1901 Census??
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Family lore has it John (Leslie) was an Area Engineer for KCC and perished on railings while on a late return from a local public house. Date are confirmed as 11 Mar 1896, on probate doc. I know he was C of E/I but can get no records for Elizabeth or location for burial - any info on either very welcome.
I know they lived at some stage at 55 Duke Street, Athy.
Much thanks in advance,
L
How old was he?
How old was she?
Any children?
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As you give no details as to age maybe you have some idea how old he was when he died and can maybe find him here...
C Reg Death results for john Connor from 1896 to 1896
Displaying results 1 - 35 of 35. http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lq6/
You can then post a Direct Link to him.....
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http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lq7/ gets you 2 Elizabeth Connor, Widows one is 60 and other 29 in 1901 Census
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He is listed in the Will Calenders as Leslie, I don't see a death Cert.
I thought there would be something about his death in the Kildare Observer.
http://archive.irishnewsarchive.com/Olive/APA/KCL.Edu/#panel=home
There is a piece where a letter from his wife is read out which states he was engineer to Baltinglass Union for 14 years, she is appealing for any money due to him as she has a large family to support, the guardians don't think there will any money left as what is due will not cover the law costs.
It's in Saturday May 1 1897 issue.
A note to the Baltinglass Union from March 1896 saying he was unable to attend work for the past week.
His name on that is Leslie E Connor.
You might like to see if there is anything else it's free to search.
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Searching the newspaper using Leslie E Connor and Leslie M Connor it appears he worked for both Baltinglass and Athy Unions.
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He might have been from Donegal or Kerry and taken "home" for burial!
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...or England etc
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C Reg Birth, Marriage and Death results for Elizabeth Keitley anywhere in Ireland
Displaying one result.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1872/03247/2189748.pdf
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Big thanks for all this - new possibilities!!
John / Leslie (Name seems inter-changeable as was Connor / O'Connor)
was 48 on death, I know of no connection to North West - perhaps North East? Elizabeth I don't have a death date - she remarried out of Church and moved to Bray due to loss of earning...they had 3 children - I'm grand on my line other two not so but may get further in Wicklow.
Again, big thanks...
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The letter to Baltinglass Union was from a Bray address so that adds up.
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Big thanks for all this - new possibilities!!
John / Leslie (Name seems inter-changeable as was Connor / O'Connor)
was 48 on death, I know of no connection to North West - perhaps North East? Elizabeth I don't have a death date - she remarried out of Church and moved to Bray due to loss of earning...they had 3 children - I'm grand on my line other two not so but may get further in Wicklow.
Again, big thanks...
I know he was C of E/I but can get no records for Elizabeth ??
You have records for Elizabeth!! She probably died under her married name!
she remarried out of Church and moved to Bray due to loss of earning...they had 3 children
Who is "they"?
Are you looking for children?? Names??
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I haven't found the death of John Leslie Montgomery Connor yet either but here's a bit more which might be of interest-
John Leslie Montgomery Connor (d.1896) m. Elizabeth Keightley?
Leinster Leader (Naas), 28 July 1894: … regret to announce the death of Dr Willis L. Connor, __, of Liverpool, which took place at the residence of his brother Mr Leslie M. Connor, C.E., skilful, eager and prompt in the discharge of his duties, he soon after graduating Arts and Medicine, secured…
Willis Lewis Connor d.1894 age 44 (informant not brother!)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1894/05957/4693016.pdf
1. Son? (1886)
Cork Constitution, 21 Oct.1886: Connor- October at Woodstock, Athy, the wife of Leslie M. Connor, B.A…., of…
2. Daughter (1887)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1887/02536/1939344.pdf
3. Leslie Montgomery Connor (1889-1890)
Leinster Leader (Naas), 29 June 1889: Connor —June 24th, at Duke-street, Athy, the wife of Leslie Connor, B.A., C.E., of son.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1889/02462/1914636.pdf (O’Connor)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1890/06088/4737073.pdf
4. Elizabeth Ethel Frances Connor (1891)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1891/02377/1887164.pdf (O’Connor)
Leinster Leader (Naas), 29 Aug.1891: … at William-street, the wife of Leslie M. Connor, B.A.. … C.E., of a daughter.
5. Margaret Mary Connor (1894)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1894/02259/1849549.pdf (O’Connor)
Leinster Leader (Naas), 26 May 1894: Connor, May 12th, at William-street, Athy, the wife of Leslie Connor, B.A. …C.E., of a daughter.
6. Annie Josephine Connor (1895)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1895/02203/1832438.pdf (O’Connor)
I checked for the last three girls in 1901 and 1911, vital records, etc. but no luck finding them. At the time I didn't know mother had remarried and moved away from Athy.
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Big thanks for all this - new possibilities!!
John / Leslie (Name seems inter-changeable as was Connor / O'Connor)
was 48 on death, I know of no connection to North West - perhaps North East? Elizabeth I don't have a death date - she remarried out of Church and moved to Bray due to loss of earning...they had 3 children - I'm grand on my line other two not so but may get further in Wicklow.
Again, big thanks...
I know he was C of E/I but can get no records for Elizabeth ??
You have records for Elizabeth!! She probably died under her married name!
she remarried out of Church and moved to Bray due to loss of earning...they had 3 children
Who is "they"?
Are you looking for children?? Names??
The only lead I thought might be a fit was The record above for a Eliza Keitley - from Fossy Timahoe, but I'm not so sure based on family recounts - still digging...
Other childrens names are Mary (My Grandmother); John & Ann - would like dates. Elizabeth went on to have two other children Joe & Ann Keenan with spouse Micheal.
That's where I am at present...
Really appreciated.
L
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I haven't found the death of John Leslie Montgomery Connor yet either but here's a bit more which might be of interest-
John Leslie Montgomery Connor (d.1896) m. Elizabeth Keightley?
Leinster Leader (Naas), 28 July 1894: … regret to announce the death of Dr Willis L. Connor, __, of Liverpool, which took place at the residence of his brother Mr Leslie M. Connor, C.E., skilful, eager and prompt in the discharge of his duties, he soon after graduating Arts and Medicine, secured…
Willis Lewis Connor d.1894 age 44 (informant not brother!)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1894/05957/4693016.pdf
1. Son? (1886)
Cork Constitution, 21 Oct.1886: Connor- October at Woodstock, Athy, the wife of Leslie M. Connor, B.A…., of…
2. Daughter (1887)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1887/02536/1939344.pdf
3. Leslie Montgomery Connor (1889-1890)
Leinster Leader (Naas), 29 June 1889: Connor —June 24th, at Duke-street, Athy, the wife of Leslie Connor, B.A., C.E., of son.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1889/02462/1914636.pdf (O’Connor)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1890/06088/4737073.pdf
4. Elizabeth Ethel Frances Connor (1891)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1891/02377/1887164.pdf (O’Connor)
Leinster Leader (Naas), 29 Aug.1891: … at William-street, the wife of Leslie M. Connor, B.A.. … C.E., of a daughter.
5. Margaret Mary Connor (1894)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1894/02259/1849549.pdf (O’Connor)
Leinster Leader (Naas), 26 May 1894: Connor, May 12th, at William-street, Athy, the wife of Leslie Connor, B.A. …C.E., of a daughter.
6. Annie Josephine Connor (1895)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1895/02203/1832438.pdf (O’Connor)
I checked for the last three girls in 1901 and 1911, vital records, etc. but no luck finding them. At the time I didn't know mother had remarried and moved away from Athy.
Wow, that's great - must go to work - feck, will pick up later - all is super and seems to connect...
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Son born 1886 registered without first name-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1886/02580/1953736.pdf
Daughter born 1887 also registered without first name-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1887/02536/1939344.pdf
Forgot to mention I also checked deaths in England/Wales and U.K. overseas deaths for JLM Connor.
The marriage (1882) record is not complete-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1882/10957/8005161.pdf
Is daughter 'Ann' not the Annie Josephine born 1895?
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Joseph Keenan (June 1897 Bray)- father Christopher- which means Eliza wasted no time after Leslie died in March 1897!
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1897/02119/1805815.pdf
A son Christopher born 1899-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1899/02053/1785546.pdf
A son William born 1905-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1905/01764/1694658.pdf
A son Joseph Patrick born 1908-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1908/01657/1660938.pdf
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Son Michael Joseph (1902)-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1902/01891/1735038.pdf
Son Thomas (1904)-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1904/01829/1714867.pdf
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Christopher Keenan, widower, died 1952 age 78-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1952/04479/4175174.pdf
Elizabeth Keenan died 1940 age 70-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1940/04732/4265829.pdf
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C Reg Birth, Marriage and Death results for Elizabeth Keitley anywhere in Ireland
Displaying one result.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1872/03247/2189748.pdf
Running out the door, but big thank you - I have been down this road, I am wondering if I'm right though as it may be just a surname spelling issue - have spoken to locals in Timahoe (Fossy), they seem to be RC and our family stories don't click with that as there was a split later after Leslie (John died)???
Thanks again...
L.
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Kennan family in 1911 census- Eliza says married 14 years with 6 children (all living) from this marriage- Christopher 12, Lizzie 10, Michael 8, Thomas 7, William 4, Joseph 2
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wicklow/Bray_No__2/Dock_Terrace/891641
However, births I found earlier-
Joseph (1897)
Christopher (1899)
Michael Joseph (1902)
Thomas (1904)
William (1905)
Joseph Patrick (1908)
Added- found Elizabeth born May 1900- father Christopher a soldier in South Africa (Boer War)- mother's maiden name down as Keating-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1900/01998/1768537.pdf
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In 1901 Elizabeth in Bray (husband not in household) but all children listed as Keenan-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Wicklow/Bray/Dock_Terrace/1811078
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I haven't found the death of John Leslie Montgomery Connor yet either but here's a bit more which might be of interest-
John Leslie Montgomery Connor (d.1896) m. Elizabeth Keightley?
Leinster Leader (Naas), 28 July 1894: … regret to announce the death of Dr Willis L. Connor, __, of Liverpool, which took place at the residence of his brother Mr Leslie M. Connor, C.E., skilful, eager and prompt in the discharge of his duties, he soon after graduating Arts and Medicine, secured…
Willis Lewis Connor d.1894 age 44 (informant not brother!)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1894/05957/4693016.pdf
1. Son? (1886)
Cork Constitution, 21 Oct.1886: Connor- October at Woodstock, Athy, the wife of Leslie M. Connor, B.A…., of…
2. Daughter (1887)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1887/02536/1939344.pdf
3. Leslie Montgomery Connor (1889-1890)
Leinster Leader (Naas), 29 June 1889: Connor —June 24th, at Duke-street, Athy, the wife of Leslie Connor, B.A., C.E., of son.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1889/02462/1914636.pdf (O’Connor)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1890/06088/4737073.pdf
4. Elizabeth Ethel Frances Connor (1891)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1891/02377/1887164.pdf (O’Connor)
Leinster Leader (Naas), 29 Aug.1891: … at William-street, the wife of Leslie M. Connor, B.A.. … C.E., of a daughter.
5. Margaret Mary Connor (1894)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1894/02259/1849549.pdf (O’Connor)
Leinster Leader (Naas), 26 May 1894: Connor, May 12th, at William-street, Athy, the wife of Leslie Connor, B.A. …C.E., of a daughter.
6. Annie Josephine Connor (1895)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1895/02203/1832438.pdf (O’Connor)
I checked for the last three girls in 1901 and 1911, vital records, etc. but no luck finding them. At the time I didn't know mother had remarried and moved away from Athy.
Not long back, checked a few details - Willis Lewis reference to Liverpool works as I had a reference to John Leslie in TCD and a Baptism in Liverpool to Dr. John Gustave Connor & Marie Connor..
Reading off the page there is a Mills & Bloom novel in the making - keep seeing a Mary Keenan present at Births and Deaths, which I take it to be Mother/Sister of Christopher. Again family reports were that the Montgomery o'Connors were not at all pleased with Eliza taking the soup and shacking up with Christopher - a mere farm hand!! This all goes with pleas for support etc..
Will seek Elizabeth Keitley / Keightley in Dublin - I'm sure I came across at least one around Merrion square or similar..
Thanks to all above, you have no idea how many nights I have spent dredging the internet for connection - would kill for an image of Leslie or Elizabeth...
Thanks again.
L.
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Keenan's quite a common name so Mary Keenan may not be related to Christopher- perhaps comparing addresses might find a connection.
I've only ever hear of 'taking the soup' in relation to Irish Catholics renouncing their faith and turning Protestant. There is a possibility that Elizabeth Keightley was originally Catholic.
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Keenan's quite a common name so Mary Keenan may not be related to Christopher- perhaps comparing addresses might find a connection.
I've only ever hear of 'taking the soup' in relation to Irish Catholics renouncing their faith and turning Protestant. There is a possibility that Elizabeth Keightley was originally Catholic.
True re Keenan, so perhaps jumping the gun - as taking the soup was a lazy use on my part..
L.
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Possibility
In the Census Elizabeth says born Dublin, her age doesn't add up from one census to the other so born in the 1860s or 70s, on her marriage to Christopher her father is John a painter.
There is a John Keatley a painter in Dublin father of Elizabeth 1866 and John 1870, they are RC.
Mother Margaret Dunne
Elizabeth
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1866/03543/2304311.pdf
John
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1870/03324/2218657.pdf
Baptism in St. Andrews
computer acting up can't post link.
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First marriage to JLM Connor was 1882 so she had to have been born a few years before 1870 at the very least- think 2nd husband Christopher was a bit younger so she wanted to appear a bit younger.
Elizabeth Keatley bapt. 1865- LINK (https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/c4da5d0230600?b=https%3A%2F%2Fchurchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie%2Fchurchrecords%2Fsearch.jsp%3Fname2fm%3D%26name2l%3D%26namefm%3Djohn%26namel%3Dkeatley%26location%3D%26yyfrom%3D%26yyto%3D%26submit%3DSearch%26sort%3D%26pageSize%3D100%26diocese%3DDUBLIN%2B%2528RC%2529%26parish%3D%26century%3D1800%26decade%3D%26ddBfrom%3D%26ddMfrom%3D%26ddDfrom%3D%26mmBfrom%3D%26mmMfrom%3D%26mmDfrom%3D%26yyBfrom%3D%26yyMfrom%3D%26yyDfrom%3D%26ddBto%3D%26ddMto%3D%26ddDto%3D%26mmBto%3D%26mmMto%3D%26mmDto%3D%26yyBto%3D%26yyMto%3D%26yyDto%3D%26locationB%3D%26locationM%3D%26locationD%3D%26member0%3D%26member1%3D%26member2%3D%26member3%3D%26member4%3D%26member5%3D%26member6%3D%26member7%3D%26member8%3D%26member9%3D%26namef0%3D%26namef1%3D%26namef2%3D%26namef3%3D%26namef4%3D%26namef5%3D%26namef6%3D%26namef7%3D%26namef8%3D%26namef9%3D%26namel0%3D%26namel1%3D%26namel2%3D%26namel3%3D%26namel4%3D%26namel5%3D%26namel6%3D%26namel7%3D%26namel8%3D%26namel9%3D%26keyword%3D%26event%3D)
John Christopher Keatley bapt. 1870- LINK (https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/5de5940238171?b=https%3A%2F%2Fchurchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie%2Fchurchrecords%2Fsearch.jsp%3Fname2fm%3D%26name2l%3D%26namefm%3Djohn%26namel%3Dkeatley%26location%3D%26yyfrom%3D%26yyto%3D%26submit%3DSearch%26sort%3D%26pageSize%3D100%26diocese%3DDUBLIN%2B%2528RC%2529%26parish%3D%26century%3D1800%26decade%3D%26ddBfrom%3D%26ddMfrom%3D%26ddDfrom%3D%26mmBfrom%3D%26mmMfrom%3D%26mmDfrom%3D%26yyBfrom%3D%26yyMfrom%3D%26yyDfrom%3D%26ddBto%3D%26ddMto%3D%26ddDto%3D%26mmBto%3D%26mmMto%3D%26mmDto%3D%26yyBto%3D%26yyMto%3D%26yyDto%3D%26locationB%3D%26locationM%3D%26locationD%3D%26member0%3D%26member1%3D%26member2%3D%26member3%3D%26member4%3D%26member5%3D%26member6%3D%26member7%3D%26member8%3D%26member9%3D%26namef0%3D%26namef1%3D%26namef2%3D%26namef3%3D%26namef4%3D%26namef5%3D%26namef6%3D%26namef7%3D%26namef8%3D%26namef9%3D%26namel0%3D%26namel1%3D%26namel2%3D%26namel3%3D%26namel4%3D%26namel5%3D%26namel6%3D%26namel7%3D%26namel8%3D%26namel9%3D%26keyword%3D%26event%3D)
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Anne Keatley bapt. 1873- LINK (https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/86e41e0240849?b=https%3A%2F%2Fchurchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie%2Fchurchrecords%2Fsearch.jsp%3Fname2fm%3D%26name2l%3D%26namefm%3Djohn%26namel%3Dkeatley%26location%3D%26yyfrom%3D%26yyto%3D%26submit%3DSearch%26sort%3D%26pageSize%3D100%26diocese%3DDUBLIN%2B%2528RC%2529%26parish%3D%26century%3D1800%26decade%3D%26ddBfrom%3D%26ddMfrom%3D%26ddDfrom%3D%26mmBfrom%3D%26mmMfrom%3D%26mmDfrom%3D%26yyBfrom%3D%26yyMfrom%3D%26yyDfrom%3D%26ddBto%3D%26ddMto%3D%26ddDto%3D%26mmBto%3D%26mmMto%3D%26mmDto%3D%26yyBto%3D%26yyMto%3D%26yyDto%3D%26locationB%3D%26locationM%3D%26locationD%3D%26member0%3D%26member1%3D%26member2%3D%26member3%3D%26member4%3D%26member5%3D%26member6%3D%26member7%3D%26member8%3D%26member9%3D%26namef0%3D%26namef1%3D%26namef2%3D%26namef3%3D%26namef4%3D%26namef5%3D%26namef6%3D%26namef7%3D%26namef8%3D%26namef9%3D%26namel0%3D%26namel1%3D%26namel2%3D%26namel3%3D%26namel4%3D%26namel5%3D%26namel6%3D%26namel7%3D%26namel8%3D%26namel9%3D%26keyword%3D%26event%3D)
Jacobas Keightly bapt.1860- LINK (https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/23f01a0284310?b=https%3A%2F%2Fchurchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie%2Fchurchrecords%2Fsearch.jsp%3Fname2fm%3D%26name2l%3D%26namefm%3Djohn%26namel%3Dkeatley%26location%3D%26yyfrom%3D%26yyto%3D%26submit%3DSearch%26sort%3D%26pageSize%3D100%26diocese%3DDUBLIN%2B%2528RC%2529%26parish%3D%26century%3D1800%26decade%3D%26ddBfrom%3D%26ddMfrom%3D%26ddDfrom%3D%26mmBfrom%3D%26mmMfrom%3D%26mmDfrom%3D%26yyBfrom%3D%26yyMfrom%3D%26yyDfrom%3D%26ddBto%3D%26ddMto%3D%26ddDto%3D%26mmBto%3D%26mmMto%3D%26mmDto%3D%26yyBto%3D%26yyMto%3D%26yyDto%3D%26locationB%3D%26locationM%3D%26locationD%3D%26member0%3D%26member1%3D%26member2%3D%26member3%3D%26member4%3D%26member5%3D%26member6%3D%26member7%3D%26member8%3D%26member9%3D%26namef0%3D%26namef1%3D%26namef2%3D%26namef3%3D%26namef4%3D%26namef5%3D%26namef6%3D%26namef7%3D%26namef8%3D%26namef9%3D%26namel0%3D%26namel1%3D%26namel2%3D%26namel3%3D%26namel4%3D%26namel5%3D%26namel6%3D%26namel7%3D%26namel8%3D%26namel9%3D%26keyword%3D%26event%3D)
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just back from some work, so thankful for all above - it appears that Elizabeth was not shy with amending dates or names as from Bray Census dates & names - it did occur to me that the age difference between John Christopher & Elizabeth may be in the mix..
Quick look at dates - if she is declared at full age on marriage cert in 1882 - 1865 is looking good - what is full age in 1882?
L.
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Full age is 21 or over.
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Full age is 21 or over.
OK so, if she married at 21 in 1882, that would bring her to circa 1861 -
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OK so, if she married at 21 in 1882, that would bring her to circa 1861 -
She could have added a few years to her age for the first marriage then subtracked a few for her second ;)
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OK so, if she married at 21 in 1882, that would bring her to circa 1861 -
She could have added a few years to her age for the first marriage then subtracked a few for her second ;)
Yes, she seems loose with dates alright and given the marriage cert was removed there may be shinanigans afoot?? Marriage may be built on sand...
Thanks L.
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Hi Lorcan,
I am currently doing genealogical research myself and believe we are looking for information on the same person.
Elizabeth Keenan (formerly Keatley) would have been my great grand mother.
She is buried in Bray in Co.Wicklow along with her second husband Christopher Keenan.
I have pictures of her and the Keenan family from that time. Please reach out to me if you ever get this and we can follow up.
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Confirmation of parent's names
marriage number 73
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633819#page/45/mode/1up
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Christopher born Jan 1st 1873 at Shruleen
last one on page
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1873/03209/2176585.pdf
possible parents
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Kildare/Athy_West_Urban/Shrewleen_Lane/1433062/
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Wow that's great dathai, I didn't realise they were married in little bray parish as well as buried there.
I would have liked to share an image of their gravestone but i am unable to upload an image.
The marriage record really confirms so much for me.
Thanks to everyone who has contributed to this thread, its immensely helpful
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just spotted something on Family Search
the birth for Christopher 1873 dosent come up but one for 1874 does
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F51M-NG4
there is a death 1873 Athy Christopher Keenan age 0
and a second birth 1874 at Dry Dock St
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1874/03135/2149923.pdf
the baptism for the 1st Christopher is on the Athy N L I film but the pages for 1874 are completely faded or blank.
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Hmm i wonder Annie Connor
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wicklow/Bray_No__2/Wyndham_Park_Road/892226/
Mary Keenan
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Kildare/Athy_Town/Convent_Lane/536059/
Mary Keenan died March 1916 at Convent Lane she was registered as Elizabeth Keenan
side note by Registrar re Statutory Declaration made in May by someone?Kelly of Convent Lane that it should read Mary Keenan
However the informant was one Annie O'Connor of 4 Windham Park,Bray
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1916/05251/4455659.pdf
ring any bell's ?
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Thanks dathai,
I found a record for a Christopher keenan on familysearch.org for 1873
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGY1-B8N
The difference in birth year Christopher Keenan, in the two below records you found is interesting.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1873/03209/2176585.pdf
and
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1874/03135/2149923.pdf
There is a one year in difference between both records. Both records are from Athy. The parents names are the same but the addresses
differ. I wonder if they are the same people, its uncanny. perhaps they moved address.
There is a shrewleen lane in athy in County Kildare.
I cant find any information for a dry dock street though.
I cant quite make out the surname of the person mentioned in the "residence on informant" section for the 1873 birth register; Mary something...
The birth record for 1874 is promising, I wonder if it is indicating Mary Keenan (formerly walsh) as the informant or if this Mary keenan is Michael Keenans Mother.
I cant think for any links for an Annie Connor or Mary Keenan, I will look into it though and see if anyone in the family can make a connection. The Kelly of Convent Lane you mention might hold a connection. My grandmothers side are Kelly's. I will see if i can dig anything up regarding her.
To add something of the family story that i know of, in the hopes it sheds light on some other nugget of information:
"Christopher was the coachman to Elizabeth Keatley and her former husband in Athy Co.Kildare.
Her former husband who I believe was Leslie M CONNOR, was a town surveyor/engineer. He was wealthy and I know he was head of the hunt.
After Elizabeths first husband died, Christopher Keenan and Elizabeth Keatley became an item. They bought a pub in Tipperary. I don't have specifics, a pub name or more accurate
location. I know that they ran out of money though and it was after this that they moved to Bray Co.Wicklow, where they resided at 15 dock terrace, Harbour View."
There are many discrepencies in the majority of records I have looked at, but I feel this could be a result of numerous factors including, registrars typos as well as
intentionally giving different information, perhaps for tax avoidance/benefit reasons (i'm guessing but wouldnt be surprised).
The children that Christopher Keenan and Elizabeth Keatley defineatly had were as follows:
Michael Keenan (Born 2 Dec 1902/Died 25 Nov 1956)
Thomas Keenan (Born 6 Mar 1904/Died 6 Nov 1989)
Joseph Keenan (my grandfather) (Born 13 Apr 1908/Died 6 Dec 1971)
William Keenan (Born 26 Oct 1905/died -?
Christopher (kit) Keenan (Born 19/11/1898/died - ?)
Elizabeth Keenan (born/died - unsure)
Thanks again for your posts, the information is fantastic.
I have attached a picture of the Gravestone of Christopher and Elizabeth as well as a picture of Elizabeth when she was older.
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1881 Kildare Observer Michael Keenan summoned twice May and November 1881
re maintenance of his son John in St Parick's reformatory,Upton, which he is unable to pay.
asked his occupation he is a'' rag collector'' earning between 5s and 10s a week of which he pays 2s rent a week
His son John is about 14 in 1881 and he has implored the Lord Lieutenant to release him
John born Tullamore 1866
top one on page
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1866/03518/2294175.pdf
his wording can be confusing by times
as in one case he say's he has 3 children and in the other 5 children the eldest 9yrs
he was also asked if he had no one to help him and he said the only boy i had is off in Africa fighting for the Queen of England he cant be referring to Christopher as this is 1881.
http://archive.irishnewsarchive.com/Olive/APA/KCL.Edu/#panel=home
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Annie Josephine O'Connor born 1895
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1895/02203/1832438.pdf
1901 census as Annie Keenan as pointed out by Aghadowey
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Wicklow/Bray/Dock_Terrace/1811078
as O'Connor in 1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wicklow/Bray_No__2/Wyndham_Park_Road/892226/
re the photo of the headstone
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FYN1-NNG
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FYJM-W6P
the above does not show on Irish Genealogy
possibly this man
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wicklow/Bray_No__2/Florence_Terrace/891734/
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Drydock St is probably Drydocks just after Convent Lane
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Kildare/Athy_West_Urban/
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Back to Leslie Connor
Thank's to Aghadowey again finding the death of Dr Willis Lewis Connor 1894 i have managed to find a cracking Will that gets you back another generation and believe them to be originally Irish.
1847 Christening of Lewis
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N523-H8F
1848 Christening of Leslie
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:J3JM-FVM
and Sidney might be this man
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ng5/
their mother died 1878 in Dublin
their father remarried in Belfast to Ellen Hallion who has a Dublin address 1881
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1881/11006/8024381.pdf
he died in Dublin 1899 2 Annesley Park
Will index
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014911/005014911_00050.pdf
death cert
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1899/05798/4640385.pdf
Will of Maria Josephine Connor nee Hanley 1878
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/search/wr/details.jsp?id=IRE/ORIG/WILL/REG/28415
enjoy
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I see a Richard Hanley of 37 Nelson St mentioned in that will
daughter Fanny marriage 1852
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=d-298-3-6-089
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Margaret Mary Connor born 12th May 1894 Athy or Maggie Keenan on 1901 Census
https://www.wikitree.com/photo.php/d/d7/Montgomery_Connor-1.jpg
a k as Mary Daisy ?
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Montgomery_Connor-1
possible 1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Ballybrack/Brennanstown/95937/
or
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Carlow/Carlow_Urban/Montgomery_Street/912556/
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This is all great stuff, I will need to tie some stuff together on my end but you have all the connections there.
Leslie Scott and Elizabeth Keatley had several children I was aware of:
Daisy Connor
John Connor
Edith Connor
Annie Connor
Violet Connor
We thought Violet had been married to someone named Leslie Scott but that may be wrong. We also got the name Violet Noonan from an old notebook my grandmother kept.
Pretty certain the Annie Josephine you found yesterday is Leslie and Elizabeths Annie, the pieces fit.
There was a Mary Keenan that my grandmothers children called Auntie may. There were stories that she was a child Christopher keenan had out of wedlock.
She later married and had a Daughter named Maureen who is dead now. I believe the surname when she got married was Kane/Cain or some variation of that. Not sure this is the same Mary Keenan though as the dates dont match up. This Mary died later than the one reported by Annie connor.
I would hazard a guess that the Mary Keenan whom Annie Connor was the informant of, was some relation of Christopher (Sister/Aunt/Cousin) and Annie was living with her. I get the impression that she must have fallen out with her mother as she uses the name Connor while working as a maid.
We were aware that she had married John Killick but had never really gone down that road.
Just on John Leslie's brother Willis. We originally thought that Elizabeths first husband was a doctor and went looking for records in the Royal College of Surgeons. Naturally we found nothing but now that we know it was Willis that was the doctor, it may be worth re-visiting for confirmation.
on a side note, John Killick owned a photography store in Bray Co.Wicklow, on the same street as his address in the previous census record.
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My reference to Mary Keenan is that she is Christopher's mother
1901
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Kildare/Athy_West_Urban/Shrewleen_Lane/1433062/
her husband Michael died in 1903
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1903/05645/4588769.pdf
Mary 1911
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Kildare/Athy_Town/Convent_Lane/536059/
died 1916
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1916/05251/4455659.pdf
the person who made the statutory declaration may be Nannie Kelly
1901 as Nannie
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Kildare/Athy_West_Urban/Convent_Lane/1433226/
1911 as Anne
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Kildare/Athy_Town/Convent_Lane/536056/
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A few snippets
Elizabeth Fetherston mentioned in the Will appears to be Sidney's wife
Margaret Fetheston dtr of Gerald M D married Edwin Saunders 1882 with Sidney as witness
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1882/10976/8012180.pdf
1901 she's from Roscommon
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Glasnevin/Abercorn_Terrace__Circular_Road_North/9269/
which led me to her sister Elizabeth in Wexford
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Wexford/Wexford_Rural/Stonybatter/1804770/
Robert Alexander Hunter married Mary Connor dtr of John 1878 with a Louisa Sydey Connor as witness
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=d-45-3-28-085
They had a daughter Mary Ellen in 1879 baptised both Catholic and Protestant
she appears to be the informant on John Gustavus Connor's death 1899
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1899/05798/4640385.pdf
she married Charles Harris in 1906 from 28 Annesley Park
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1906/10136/5687791.pdf
and lived in Rathaspick Wexford in 1911 also in residence was her 51 yr old Aunt , Louisa Sydney Connor born Dublin
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wexford/Rathaspick/Rathaspick/911969/
died 1947 in Riverslade Ballina
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1947/04573/4208458.pdf
probate of her Will 1948 to Mary Harris ,widow
http://www.nationalarchives.ie/search-the-archives/
Dr Willis Connor's wife appears to be Anne Kirwan or Girwan
daughter Anne Mary born 1887 baptised a Catholic and Protestant
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=st.michans_mf_1856-1888_ba_0248
or
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1887/02561/1947229.pdf
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Thanks dathai, that's all really interesting information.
I am currently awaiting information from parishes in Athy regarding Michael Keenan and Elizabeth Keatley.
I will probably start a new thread if I find anything fruitful and will post a link here for disclosure.
Thanks again.
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May help trace the Keatley/Keightley's back a bit further
John Christopher Keatley born Dec 1870 Longford St, brother of Elizabeth, informant was Anne Corley ( John jnr died 1872 age 1 buried in Glasnevin as Keightley with address containing Longford )
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1870/03324/2218657.pdf
St Michans Church 1st August 1859
Bernard Corley married Anne Keatley of 8 Halston St, stating that her father John Keatley was dead and her mother Elizabeth was alive at 31 Cook St, the witness appears to be her brother John of 31 Cook St.
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=st.michans_mf_1856-1888_ma_0330
Glasnevin also shows a burial of a John Keightley age 36 in 1877
https://www.glasnevintrust.ie/genealogy/results/index.xml
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Benjamin Keightley father dead mother at Cook St witness John ,Cook St
marriage 1857 to Anne Cullen at St Michan's
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=st.michans_mf_1856-1888_ma_0310
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Dathai / Joseph, I haven't been on this link for some time and only really came back when attempting to clean things up - wow ye have made serious in-roads as to our shared linage!! I have some detail but given its 02:03 AM I'm going to the leaba....will PM Joseph with contact details, so happy to have moved things along - finding a grave for these has proven impossible - for me. Lorcan