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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Topic started by: Bilcor1 on Monday 12 March 18 15:56 GMT (UK)
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Looking for a death or burial of Charles Smith Cook b 14 Nov 1881 Peterhead parents Robert Cook & Jane Duffus he married Maggie Jane Allan in 1903 Peterhead
Seen ref on Family Search he was in Marquette, Manitoba in 1911 census also border crossing from Canada Nov 1913 to USA
In 1911 census Peterhead Charles 29 Carter, Maggie J 29 & Robert 3
Must have left for Canada later that year
Found his wife Margaret Jane Allan died 1968 buried in Peterhead Cemetery, Aberdeenshire
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To me, the border crossing record indicates Charles was travelling through the US and returning to Canada further east (I think.....the overwriting is a bit confusing). Canada is his ultimate destination, in any case, rather than the US.
Unfortunately, it seems a second page of the record seems to be missing and it may have provided more info.
Did he not return to Scotland?
PB
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Not as far as I know PB
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The second page of the 1913 manifest appears before the first page. He was bound for his friend, Dan McGregor, 16 Hayden Street, Toronto. He entered the US at Pembina, North Dakota. He originally arrived in Canada aboard the Cassandra in March 1911 which seems to have arrived in Saint John, New Brunswick. His wife, Maggie, was still in Scotland at the time.
The passenger record for the Cassandra which arrived in Saint John, New Brunswick on March 20, 1911 shows him indexed as "Cork", not "Cook". Says he is bound for Winnipeg, and that he had previously been in Canada for 12 years from 1898 to 1910.
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The census for 1911 in Scotland was taken on 2 April
If the passenger list on Cassandra was on March 20 1911 seems a bit confusing
Any record of him arriving in 1898?
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There is a second index card entry for his arrival in the US in 1913, and in it, he gives Peter Maher of 16-26 Hayden Street, Toronto as his destination. From the Toronto directories, this was a horse dealer/barn. This record says he arrived on March 11, 1910 aboard the Cassandra.
I can't find him in 1898 but those records don't have as much info so harder to pick him out of a crowd. There should be an incoming record for him back into the UK around 1910.
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In the 1901 census in Peterhead he is living with parents and occupation is carter age 14 should be 19
as he is born in 1882 you would think there would be a record if he went earlier in 1898
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Eileen could you let me see the record of passenger list on Cassandra for 20 Mar 1911 and also any evidence he had been in Canada since 1898 - 1910
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Here is the 1911 passenger manifest from Library and Archives Canada (LAC). Page 4...
http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/immigration/immigration-records/passenger-lists/passenger-lists-1865-1922/Pages/item.aspx?IdNumber=14784&
About the 1898-1910...
I don't believe it says he was in Canada for those years. LAC has lists of headings for columns on the passenger lists. For the years 1909-1921 some relevant ones are...
23. What is your intended occupation in Canada? Charles has F. Labourer.
24. Have you ever worked as farmer, farm labourer, gardener, stableman, carter, Ry (would be railway), surfaceman, navvy or miner? Charles has yes.
Large heading "If so" has headings...
25. Which? Charles has F. Labourer
26. How long? Charles has 12 years.
When? Charles has 1898-1910
These working years would have been in Scotland. There isn't any mention of his being in Canada. I don't believe he would have been given the designation "British Bonus Allowed" if it wasn't his first trip to Canada. I would have expected him to have the designation "Returned Canadian".
PB
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Tried blowing it up but can't make out Charles Cook PB
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You don't seem to have the correct page?
PB
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I looked again through the link I posted. At the top you need to click over to page 4. I tried it again and it comes up OK for me. The writing is quite clear for this page. Charles is 9 lines from the top.
PB
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Yes got it so is it possible he left Glasgow on 11 Mar arr St Johns 20 Mar 1911 and back in Scotland in between 20 Mar and 2 Apr when census was taken
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Glad you were able to get the manifest page.
Personally, I find it hard to imagine that he would have turned right around and gone back home but anything is possible. But then, if it is your Charles in Marquette in the 1911 Canada census he would then have had to return to Canada for June 1st (census day).
2 other scenarios come to mind...
The family had the form and filled it out before he left and thus included him on it or he was included on the form even though he had already left the country and nobody questioned it.
Anyway, food for thought.
PB
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Bit of a puzzle PB but did think of him going with name on census form
Thanks anyway
Billy