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My great x2 gran was Mary Gunning nee Snodden.Having recieved her husband's death certificate,I applied to the Registry Office for Mary's but it seems they are unable to find it.
On Ancestry it gives her death as being in 1896 in Caslereagh aged 74 but on Geneaology Ireland it gives a Mary Gunning dying in 1879 in Newtownards at the age of 70.That age isn't really right but it could had been a mistake as the age of 60 would be fine.
Please can anyone help me find her death date so I can order her death certificate which will also tell me her parent's names. Thank you
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Birth, Marriage and Death results for mary Snodden from 1844 to 1896
Displaying results 1 - 13 of 13. http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lqf/
Have you looked for her Marriage?
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Here's the death certificate for Mary Jane Gunning 1879 Newtownards district-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1879/06532/4882632.pdf
and Mary Gunning 1896 Castlerea district-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1896/05896/4672740.pdf
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Mary Gunning died aged 74 in 1896 - is listed as married
What age do you have her husband dying?
Aghadowey, has already posted the link
Most images are free from genealogy ireland
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William Gunning died 1897 (death certificate found on other topic)-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1897/05868/4663691.pdf
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William Gunning is listed as widow and a shoemaker.
I can't make out where he is from
Neither Mary is showing as wife of a shoemaker
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"from Newtownards"
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Is one of these the son you mention in the workhouse thread (assumed as they are shoe/bootmakers and I have found a marriage cert for David Gunning and Martha Gray, showing the father as William Gunning - Shoemaker)
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Newtownards_Urban/Greenwell_Street/268419/
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Thank you for all your help I still dont really know when Mary died.I think I said before that I had 1896 in Castlereagh but the registry office couldn't find her death then.Her husband was William Gunning who died in the workhouse in 1898.David that someone mentioned,was William's brother,also a shoemaker.I don't know where to look to be able to get a death certificate for Mary.
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The link has already been posted for the 1896 death cert.
It is for a Mary Gunning aged 74,Culmore, wife of a landowner, and a Maria Gunning, daughter is present at the death.
This doesnt sound like your Mary Gunning.
How do you know her death is 1896?
There is no parents names listed on a irish death certificate at that time.
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The 1879 Mary Jane Gunning death had a Bernard Gunning as the informant- I remember yesterday finding his death and it looked like he was the husband of that Mary.
Therefore, if your Mary Gunning's husband was a shoemaker called William then neither death is the one you are looking for.
"On Ancestry it gives her death as being in 1896 in Caslereagh aged 74"
Is this from an online tree or just based on results of a search for Mary Gunning death?
When is the last time you know Mary Gunning was alive? If she died before 1864 there will be no death certificate.
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Thanks again for all your help.When I applied for a death certificate for Mary,I based it on the entry on Ancestry,her death showing as 1896 but the Registery Office couldn't find it.She was born about 1820,she had at least 1 brother,Andrew,who was born 1822,he married a Jane Beggs,they are both buried in Movilla cemetry.To divert from Mary,her son,Thomas, who left his family in Scotland and went to New Zealand married again,commiting bigamy,he added Beggs to his name,which was his aunt's maiden name.
William,as far as I know,is buried in Movilla,if his wife died before him I imagine they are together.If I could find the grave,the date of death would be on it.
If I contact Ards council would they have a record of the grave?
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The 1896 death was very easily found so I'm not sure why you were unable to get the certificate (or why you didn't just view it online) but perhaps you specified too may details and when they didn't match the record you were told they couldn't find the death you were looking for.
You could try contacting Newtownards but a number of years ago they were certainly less than helpful when I asked, in person, for location of a family grave in Movilla.
There are some Gunnings buried in Movilla but it's possible your Gunnings don't have a headstone and could even be buried in Public Ground.
https://billiongraves.com/cemetery/MovillaCemetery/162591
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Thank you for replying.Are you saying that the date of death I have for Mary's death,1896 is correct?How do I view it on line?
I contacted Ards Council some years ago and I was given all the lairs owned by Gunnings,I don't know what I did with the print out. I tried to contact them today but it seemed impossible to find anything to do with the cemetery.I logged onto Billion Graves but didn't have any luck there.Is there nowhere else that has records for Movilla.If William and his wife are in a paupers grave there should still be a record of the burial
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Are you saying that the date of death I have for Mary's death,1896 is correct? How do I view it on line?
There is a death in 1896 for a Mary Gunning but her husband was a landowner not a shoemaker.
You can view that certificate by clicking on the link I posted earlier.
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Am still searching for the year of Mary Gunning's death.I've tried several sites but none of them coincide.She must be registered as she definately died after registration became compulsory.
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There is no guarantee she is registered, lots of people in Ireland don't have a death certificate.
Unless the cert was needed for something many famlies never got around to registering a death.
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Far too young but there is a Sarah Gunning 44 died 1890 wife of William Gunning shoemaker Church Lane Newtownards.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1890/06120/4747560.pdf
Different William, or could your William have remarried a younger woman.
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William Gunning, widower, shoemaker, Movilla St. Newtownards, son of James Gunning (farmer), married (1875) Sarah Lyndsay-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1875/11203/8105585.pdf
Am starting to wonder if the details of Mary Gunning as wife of William a shoemaker are correct :-\
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Mary Jane Gunning, shoemaker's child, died 1888 age 6- father David Gunning-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1888/06191/4770533.pdf
Death of Mary Gunning, shoemaker's child, died 1878 aged 14 days- father William Gunning-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1878/020505/7195812.pdf
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Thanks again for all the help.I think I said before that David Gunning was William's brother,he was also a shoemaker,as were his brothers,James and Thomas.William lived in Conlig,where he rented a large house.When he died he was in the workhouse in Ards,where he'd been for at least a year with dementia.I would think that Mary died before 1896 otherwise she might have cared for him at home? If she died in Conlig,I guess that comes under Ards or is it Bangor?
Someone asked the last record of her being alive,she was alive in 1851 on the census.Her youngest child was born about 1860,I think that was Henry.He went to live in Glasgow.
Where did someone find her marriage date to William? Marriages were recorded from 1845,I have one for another ancestor,so if they were married after that it should be available?
I can't think of anything else that might help in finding Mary's death.
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You don't seem to be reading the information already posted :-\
Mary Jane Gunning was the daughter of David Gunning and Martha Gray. This David's father was William Gunning, also a shoemaker.
I posted details of William Gunning's marriage in 1875 to Sarah Lyndsay. There were several children born to this couple.
It is becoming more and more likely that Mary (Snodden) Gunning did die before 1864 (so no death registration). Newtownards registration district covers a large area but it's also likely that she and William could have been married before civil registration of non-Catholic marriages (1845)- I am still checking some things to do with their family in an attempt to ascertain when eldest child might have been born.