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Research in Other Countries => Europe => Topic started by: Lorcan Scott on Monday 12 March 18 18:53 GMT (UK)
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I have a direct line to my Great Grandmother - Helena Skarine (b1864 Cork, Ireland), her mother is recorded as Theela or Theckla Skarine and her sister is Engla, who seems to have lived with her sister in Dublin. Any leads as to their Swedish connections would be greatly appreciated.
I have attached records to Google Skarin family web page - without success.
Thank you.
L.
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Hello again :D
Are you sure Helena's mother is Theckla and not Susan?
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Hello again :D
Are you sure Helena's mother is Theckla and not Susan?
Bless D. This is my other main sticking point - Theela is actually her listed name, Theckla was daughter - my mistake. She appears on Marraige Cert (will have to check again...) I have just found a note to say Helena was raised in Limerick - I think that adds a father from previous searches..
L.
OK, checking back and now I think that Theela may be a sister and that indeed Susan is mother given dates...
L.
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Think I found some of the family.
Helena Skerine m.(1887) Patrick Robert McGrath
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1887/10811/5942933.pdf (9 Windsor Terrace, father Nicholas)
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Rathmines/Charleville_Road/1295280
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Rathmines___Rathgar_East/Elmgrove/52085 (11 ch)
1. Lawrence Anthony Aquiness (1901) https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1901/01966/1758268.pdf
2. Esther Brigida (1902) https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1902/01912/1741517.pdf
Engla D. Skerine (c1864-1941)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1941/04695/4252990.pdf
Nicholas Gerhard (9 Feb.1869 Georges Quay)- parents Nicholas (boot & shoe maker) & Susan (Halliman)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1869/03403/2247792.pdf
Susan Skerine (c1844-1910)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1910/05413/4512504.pdf (widow, 68 Sandford Row)
Nicholas Skarine d.1869
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Baptism Mary Juliana McGrath (1888)- sponsor transcribed as "THOSELA SKERINE"
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=st.marys_pro-cathedral_mf_1880-1889_ba_0903
Church record of Patrick & Helena's marriage gives her mother as Susanna Halloran-
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=harrington-street_mf_1865-1912_ma_0256
NICOLAS SKARINE (age 50), 4 ESSEX ST WEST buried 1878
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=d-326-1-5-170
McGrath son baptised 1899-
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=harrington-street_mf_1890-1901_ba_0249
Peter Neil Nicholas McGrath baptised 1896-
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=harrington-street_mf_1890-1901_ba_0170
Theckla Mary Susanna McGrath baptised-
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=harrington-street_mf_1890-1901_ba_0082
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Think I found some of the family.
Helena Skerine m.(1887) Patrick Robert McGrath
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1887/10811/5942933.pdf (9 Windsor Terrace, father Nicholas)
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Rathmines/Charleville_Road/1295280
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Rathmines___Rathgar_East/Elmgrove/52085 (11 ch)
1. Lawrence Anthony Aquiness (1901) https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1901/01966/1758268.pdf
2. Esther Brigida (1902) https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1902/01912/1741517.pdf
Engla D. Skerine (c1864-1941)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1941/04695/4252990.pdf
Nicholas Gerhard (9 Feb.1869 Georges Quay)- parents Nicholas (boot & shoe maker) & Susan (Halliman)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1869/03403/2247792.pdf
Susan Skerine (c1844-1910)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1910/05413/4512504.pdf (widow, 68 Sandford Row)
Nicholas Skarine d.1869
Yes, I agree - I have the McGrath line - Lawrence is my name-sake - an interesting IRA family..
L.
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So far, everything points to Helena and sister Engla born before the start of civil registration (probably early 1860s) which is unfortunate but the birth of son Nicholas in 1869 (mother Halliman) and Helena's church marriage record (mother Halloran) don't give any indication of Swedish connection.
Teckla's baptism 1870 Limerick in next post
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Thomas Nicholas Skarin (3 Dec.1867 Limerick)- parents Nicholas Skarin & Susan Hallenan.
Marriage- 14 Sept.1862 Clonmel, Cork- Nicholas Skarin (father Gorhard?) & Susan Halanan (father Thomas). Either Protestant or Registry Office ceremony.
Eventually the marriage certificate will be on Irish Genealogy site.
Takla Aurora Skarin bapt.? 26 May 1870 St. Mary's Limerick Parents- Nicholas Skarin & Susan Hallanan
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1870/03341/2224673.pdf
12 Dec.1909 "Baltic" arrived Liverpool, England from New York: A Josephine Skerine (36) & Tekla Skerine (30), both cooks, Swedish nationality, going on to Gothenberg, Sweden.
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Thomas Nicholas Skarin (3 Dec.1867 Limerick)- parents Nicholas Skarin & Susan Hallenan.
Marriage- 14 Sept.1862 Clonmel, Cork- Nicholas Nicholas Skarin (father Gorhard?) & Susan Halanan (father Thomas). Either Protestant or Registry Office ceremony.
Eventually the marriage certificate will be on Irish Genealogy site.
Takla Aurora Skarin bapt.? 26 May 1870 St. Mary's Limerick Parents- Nicholas Skarin & Susan Hallanan
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1870/03341/2224673.pdf
12 Dec.1909 "Baltic" arrived Liverpool, England from New York: A Josephine Skerine (36) & Tekla Skerine (30), both cooks, Swedish nationality, going on to Gothenberg, Sweden.
Wow - I'm on it - will track down "Baltic" - very exciting, thanks...
L.
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DOH! Worked dates back so not my Skarines...still
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The reason I included the two girls (sisters?) from 1909 passenger list was to show that it's likely the 'Swedish connection' is through Nicholas Skarine and not his wife. If you put the name Tecla Sk*rine into Family Search with Sweden as a place then lots of records come up showing that is not an uncommon Swedish name. Nicholas' marriage lists his father as 'Gorhard' but it's more likely something like Gerhard as son Nicholas was given Gerhard as middle name.
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The reason I included the two girls (sisters?) from 1909 passenger list was to show that it's likely the 'Swedish connection' is through Nicholas Skarine and not his wife. If you put the name Tecla Sk*rine into Family Search with Sweden as a place then lots of records come up showing that is not an uncommon Swedish name. Nicholas' marriage lists his father as 'Gorhard' but it's more likely something like Gerhard as son Nicholas was given Gerhard as middle name.
No, I could see that alright... we're a tricky lot!! Looking like the line goes back to Viking Dvblin.. :). Much appreciated.
L.
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Hi
I must ask how you know the Skarins were from Sweden?
There are many Skarins in Sweden around the 1880-1900. Also the christian names are all very Swedish sounding too.
I have taken a look but have not found anything yet.
Ian
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Hi
I must ask how you know the Skarins were from Sweden?
There are many Skarins in Sweden around the 1880-1900. Also the christian names are all very Swedish sounding too.
I have taken a look but have not found anything yet.
Ian
All information was handed down from family so isn't sound.
Asking around it was suggested that it wasn't so much Helena was Swedish but that the Swedish link was passed down from her line..so father's father may be the link or perhaps further back..
Thanks,
Lorcán
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So Gerhard Skarin is probably the Swedish link which would mean Nicholas was probably born in Sweden then.
Ian
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So Gerhard Skarin is probably the Swedish link which would mean Nicholas was probably born in Sweden then.
Ian
Certainly Gerhard must be the Swedish line but not sure why that suggests Nicholas was born in Sweden?? But perhaps...ugg!
L.
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Maybe I should have written "might" have been born in Sweden. I didn't mean to suggest.
Ian
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A bit more progress... (and I think, based on finding no other Skarine families in Cork, Limerick or Dublin, so far, that Nicholas did come from Sweden himself).
Did a timeline to see what was missing etc. which shows where the family lived- Cork 1862-c1864, Limerick 1867-1870 then Dublin 1873- .
1862 Nicholas Skarine (father Gerhard?) m. Susan Halanan
c1863? Helena Skarine born Cork
c1864 Engla Skerine born Cork
1867 Thomas Nicholas Skarine born Limerick
?1867 Tuscar Caroline Skarin died Limerick age 0
1868 Nicholas Skarine age 0 died Limerick (possibly Thomas Nicholas born 1867)
1869 Nicholas Gerhard Skerine born Limerick (Georges Quay, father Nicholas boot & show maker) died 1870 Limerick
1869 Nicholas Skarine died
1870 Takla Aurora Skarin born Limerick
1873 Josephine Skeerine 23 Essex St. East Dublin (possible death in 1873 also Dublin South)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1873/03174/2164314.pdf
1878 Nicholas Skarine age 56, married, bootmaker, died Dublin
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1878/020513/7198374.pdf
1887- Helena Skerine (9 Windsor Terrace, father Nicholas) m. Patrick Robert McGrath
1910 Susan Skerine died Dublin
1941- Engla D. Skerine died Dublin
1955 Thecla A. Skarine death Jan./Mar.1955 Wandsworth district (London)
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Making the above into a basic family tree-
Nicholas Skarine (c1822-1878 Dublin), bootmaker,m.(1862) Susan Halanan (d.1910 Dublin)
1. Helena Skarine (c1863? Cork) m.(1887) Patrick Robert McGrath
2. Engla D. Skarine (c1864 Cork-1941 Dublin)
3. ? Tuscar (Teckla?) Caroline Skarine (c1867-1867 Limerick)
4. Thomas Nicholas Skarine (1867 Limerick)- ? Nicholas died 1868 Limerick
5. Nicholas Gerhard Skerine (1869 Limerick-1870 Limerick)
6. Thecla Aurora Skarine (1870 Limerick-1955 London)
7. Josephine Skarine (1873 Dublin-1873 Dublin)
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Maybe I should have written "might" have been born in Sweden. I didn't mean to suggest.
Ian
Ah, back on track - just checking I wasn't missing some detail. Thanks Ian.
L.
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Making the above into a basic family tree-
Nicholas Skarine (c1822-1878 Dublin), bootmaker,m.(1862) Susan Halanan (d.1910 Dublin)
1. Helena Skarine (c1863? Cork) m.(1887) Patrick Robert McGrath
2. Engla D. Skarine (c1864 Cork-1941 Dublin)
3. ? Tuscar (Teckla?) Caroline Skarine (c1867-1867 Limerick)
4. Thomas Nicholas Skarine (1867 Limerick)- ? Nicholas died 1868 Limerick
5. Nicholas Gerhard Skerine (1869 Limerick-1870 Limerick)
6. Thecla Aurora Skarine (1870 Limerick-1955 London)
7. Josephine Skarine (1873 Dublin-1873 Dublin)
Helena died in Dublin Nov 1st 1922.
Does c1867-1867 imply born -died or circa dates? we have a tight squeeze with Teckla & Thomas?
Thanks for all this,
L.
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The dates are (birth-death)
Thomas Nicolas Skarin born 3 Dec.1867. Tuscar? Caroline died 1867 aged under 1 year (death not yet online so can't verify exact age or parents) so could have been born in 1866 or early 1867.
Not sure if there were any other children (pre-registration or with other variations of surname that my searches missed) but it looks as though the children were young when their father died and Susan was left with at least 3 daughters (Helena, Engla, Thecla) to raise.
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Hi
I am pretty sure I have found your Nicholas Skarin. His name was Nils Petter Skarin born 4 Feb 1819 in Norrköpings Östra Eneby Parish. He also had a wife and family in Gothenburg too. A couple of his children's names will look familiar.
Just by the off chance that the Skarin name was a soldier's name I took a look in the Swedish Soldier Database and found Gerhard Skarin. Search Skarin born 1787:
http://www.ep.liu.se/databases/soldatregister/search.en.aspx
Nils Petter Skarin birth in Norrköpings Östra Eneby Parish - Father Gerhard - nr 15:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lqt/
Gerhard Skarin and family in the 1822 Household Examination Book (HHE) in Norrköpings Östra Eneby Parish. Top:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lqs/
Nils Petter Skarin in the 1831 HHE Book in Norrköpings Östra Eneby Parish. 11th row down:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lqr/
Nils Peter Skarin in the 1855 HHE Book in Gothenburg Domkyrka Parish. Middle right:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lqu/
Nils' Parents and Family:
Gerhard Skarin b.1788
Maja Stina Johansdotter b.1787
Johanna b.1811
Carl johan b.1816
Gerhard b.1822
Stina Maria b.1824
Frans Gerhard b.1827
Nils' Wife and Family:
Cathrina Dorothea Wilhelmina Berggren b.1822
Clara Nicolina b.1849
Frans Gerhard b.1850
Augusta Wilhelmina b.1852
Thecla Eleonora b.1854
His occupation at that time was a shoemaker (journeyman). Same occupation as in Ireland.
Written to the left of Nils' name (from the Gothenburg page) the minister has written that Nils left for USA June 1855.
Here is Nils' wife Cathrina and daughter Thekla in 1877 in Norrköpings St Olai Parish. Cathrina is recorded as being still married and a note to the right saying that her husband is in USA:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lqv/
It looks as though Nils left ship in Ireland and stayed.
Ian
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Hi
I am pretty sure I have found your Nicholas Skarin. His name was Nils Petter Skarin born 4 Feb 1819 in Norrköpings Östra Eneby Parish. He also had a wife and family in Gothenburg too. A couple of his children's names will look familiar.
Just by the off chance that the Skarin name was a soldier's name I took a look in the Swedish Soldier Database and found Gerhard Skarin. Search Skarin born 1787:
http://www.ep.liu.se/databases/soldatregister/search.en.aspx
Nils Petter Skarin birth in Norrköpings Östra Eneby Parish - Father Gerhard - nr 15:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lqt/
Gerhard Skarin and family in the 1822 Household Examination Book (HHE) in Norrköpings Östra Eneby Parish. Top:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lqs/
Nils Petter Skarin in the 1831 HHE Book in Norrköpings Östra Eneby Parish. 11th row down:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lqr/
Nils Peter Skarin in the 1855 HHE Book in Gothenburg Domkyrka Parish. Middle right:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lqu/
Nils' Parents and Family:
Gerhard Skarin b.1788
Maja Stina Johansdotter b.1787
Johanna b.1811
Carl johan b.1816
Gerhard b.1822
Stina Maria b.1824
Frans Gerhard b.1827
Nils' Wife and Family:
Cathrina Dorothea Wilhelmina Berggren b.1822
Clara Nicolina b.1849
Frans Gerhard b.1850
Augusta Wilhelmina b.1852
Thecla Eleonora b.1854
His occupation at that time was a shoemaker (journeyman). Same occupation as in Ireland.
Written to the left of Nils' name (from the Gothenburg page) the minister has written that Nils left for USA June 1855.
Here is Nils' wife Cathrina and daughter Thekla in 1877 in Norrköpings St Olai Parish. Cathrina is recorded as being still married and a note to the right saying that her husband is in USA:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lqv/
It looks as though Nils left ship in Ireland and stayed.
Ian
That's fantastic Ian, top man...wow, not sure where to go from here but great to have the Swedish link at last. Big thanks yet again..
Just taking a gander and the only fly in the ointment is that Nicholas & Susan are married in 1842 - so unless he kept moving between the two we have a magic window of 13 years before he declares he is heading to US??
L.
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1862 Nicholas Skarine (father Gerhard?) m. Susan Halanan
I understood that they were married in 1862.
Ian
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1862 Nicholas Skarine (father Gerhard?) m. Susan Halanan
I understood that they were married in 1862.
Ian
Apologies - my error (yet again) must learn to slow down, have numbers swimming around - must have mis-read. That makes so much sense. So he was c40 when married to Susan and she was 18...looking through a Swedish Roots page (https://forum.genealogi.se/index.php?topic=74284.0) which is looking at Skarin families - fascinating!!
Cheers. L.
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Peter Neil Nicholas McGrath baptised 1896-
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=harrington-street_mf_1890-1901_ba_0170
Just noticed that the Peter Neil name is very close to Nils Peter.
Ian
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Peter Neil Nicholas McGrath baptised 1896-
https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=harrington-street_mf_1890-1901_ba_0170
Just noticed that the Peter Neil name is very close to Nils Peter.
Ian
Yes, may have descendant of Nils Peter's Brother Frans Gerhard b 1827 on Wilitree (Skarin) - Yay!! A rich vein - both up and down!!
L.
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Fantastic result from Swedish records :)
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Yes. I just wish the records from England, Scotland and Ireland were as detailed.
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Yes. I just wish the records from England, Scotland and Ireland were as detailed.
Beautiful records too - not that some of ours aren't but kept so well,
L
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Scottish records are actually quite good ;)
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I have ancestors from Scotland, England and Ireland. England and Scotland I have managed to go quite a way back but Ireland have had no such luck.
Now, if the Irish records were like the Swedish ones then there would be a possibilty to go as far back as the books allow, usually around the 1700s for the Swedish ones.
By the way Lorcán if you need help with any of the Swedish records just ask and of course if you want more I can also help there too.
Ian
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I have ancestors from Scotland, England and Ireland. England and Scotland I have managed to go quite a way back but Ireland have had no such luck.
Now, if the Irish records were like the Swedish ones then there would be a possibilty to go as far back as the books allow, usually around the 1700s for the Swedish ones.
By the way Lorcán if you need help with any of the Swedish records just ask and of course if you want more I can also help there too.
Ian
Thanks so much Ian, I am trying to digest and update family with new information - would love a photograph of my Swedish cousins, perhaps in time but at moment will need time to reconfigure about 4 different trees...
Many thanks again, for now, Cheers,
Lorcán
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You're welcome Lorcán.
I can't help you with any photos unfortunately.
Ian