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Hi there, So frustrated about this side of my family! I cant seem to get any further along for some reason!! Let me try and explain..........
My great grandma is Eliza Timmins born 1894 in Longton Stoke on Trent. She has siblings Sarah Ann, Mary Ann, Joseph and James. Its her parents that are baffling me!! Through the census info that I have (2) I discovered they were Martha Ann and Joseph Timmins. Now in the 1901 census they are 36 and 35 which makes sense, yet in the 1911 census their ages say 52 and 50 didn’t they get to fill in 1911 census’s themselves???!!! I know that these are both the same family in both census. They always list themselves as being born in longton, I cannot find them on previous census! I have no clue of Martha Ann’s maiden name! No marriage info, no birth info.... I’m totally stuck! Soooo I decided to send off for my great grandma Eliza’s birth certificate! No father listed!!!!!!! Yet Martha has signed as Martha timmins her married name!?!?!? I’m determined to crack this I have a feeling something is not quite right!!!!! does anyone have any suggestions or words of advise 😬😬
Thankyou for your time sorry for the long post!!!
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Her sister Sarah Ann also has no father listed:
GRO
Sarah Ann Timmins -
born 1891 September Quarter in Stoke upon Trent Volume 06B Page 281
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Just putting 1901:
Joseph Timmins 36 miner's labourer Longton
Martha Ann 35 scourer Longton
Sarah Ann Timmins 10 Longton
Eliza Ann Timmins 7 Longton
Mary Ann Timmins 5 Longton
Elizabeth Timmins 1 Longton
presumably Joseph and James are born between 1901 and 1911?
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Did Eliza Ann marry Thomas Everard? Is so then living with her in 1939 is a Joseph Derry b. 1863, perhaps this is Joseph 'Timmins'.
On the 1911 there is a James Timmins but cannot see a birth record, however there is this one -
James Derry
q2 1909, Stoke on Trent
Vol 6b Page 298
MMN - Timmins
1911 - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW7D-BSJ
JJ
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Eliza and Mary both look the wrong age (18 and 16) and no first name given for Mr Timmins..
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW7D-BSD
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Son Joseph looks to be Timmins:
GRO
Joseph Timmins no mmn
June quarter 1905 in Stoke upon Trent Volume 06B Page 291
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Looking for her death (if she keeps Timmins)
Deaths September quarter 1918
Martha A Timmins age 47 Stoke T. so born 1870/1871, which does not fit with born 1865/1866 in 1901 or 1860/1861 in 1911.
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Could Martha Ann's maiden name also be Timmins. There is a Martha Ann Timmins b. 1870
On the StaffordshireBMD website
Chris
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Could Martha Ann's maiden name also be Timmins. There is a Martha Ann Timmins b. 1870
On the StaffordshireBMD website
Chris
Hi Chris..... I never even gave this a thought! I suppose it could in reality!! Thankyou another Avenue I can go down
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Did Eliza Ann marry Thomas Everard? Is so then living with her in 1939 is a Joseph Derry b. 1863, perhaps this is Joseph 'Timmins'.
On the 1911 there is a James Timmins but cannot see a birth record, however there is this one -
James Derry
q2 1909, Stoke on Trent
Vol 6b Page 298
MMN - Timmins
1911 - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW7D-BSJ
JJ
Oh my gosh that never even crossed my mind!!!! I have seen the 1939 census the James that is listed as Martha and Joseph’s son was in fact born a Derry!!!!!....... but why would he still list himself as Joseph Timmins in the 1901 and 1911 census ???
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Did Eliza Ann marry Thomas Everard? Is so then living with her in 1939 is a Joseph Derry b. 1863, perhaps this is Joseph 'Timmins'.
On the 1911 there is a James Timmins but cannot see a birth record, however there is this one -
James Derry
q2 1909, Stoke on Trent
Vol 6b Page 298
MMN - Timmins
1911 - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW7D-BSJ
JJ
Oh my gosh that never even crossed my mind!!!! I have seen the 1939 census the James that is listed as Martha and Joseph’s son was in fact born a Derry!!!!!....... but why would he still list himself as Joseph Timmins in the 1901 and 1911 census ???
Did Eliza Ann marry Thomas Everard? Is so then living with her in 1939 is a Joseph Derry b. 1863, perhaps this is Joseph 'Timmins'.
On the 1911 there is a James Timmins but cannot see a birth record, however there is this one -
James Derry
q2 1909, Stoke on Trent
Vol 6b Page 298
MMN - Timmins
1911 - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW7D-BSJ
JJ
I think u may of cracked it!!!!!! Thankyou 😮😮😮 I wonder why they never married!!! So many questions still 😭😭😭
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It is exceedingly likely that Martha was born as Timmins, because her children were registered as mmn Timmins.
The questions are, why did Joseph Derry adopt the name Joseph Timmins, and why did they get their ages so wrong.
The birth in 1870 is the only one showing for a Martha Ann Timmins born from 1860 to 1871, so she appears to have sorted out her correct age for her death certificate.
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Did Eliza Ann marry Thomas Everard? Is so then living with her in 1939 is a Joseph Derry b. 1863, perhaps this is Joseph 'Timmins'.
On the 1911 there is a James Timmins but cannot see a birth record, however there is this one -
James Derry
q2 1909, Stoke on Trent
Vol 6b Page 298
MMN - Timmins
1911 - https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW7D-BSJ
JJ
Could James Derry/Timmons have been Elizas son?
modification: No forget that! I agree that Joseph Timmons could be Joseph Derry
Chris
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Thanks for your time and help everyone ;) I don’t think I’d of ever gone down the avenue that Joseph Timmins was in fact Joseph Derry even though it was staring me on the face all along!!!! I wonder why they never married! Maybe he was already married! I wonder why he took on the timmins persona.... brain is mushed I guess some things we’ll have to live with I’m sure it was all done for a good reason ;D ???
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I've just had a quick look on the GRO site but can't find a Joseph Derry born in the Stoke on Trent area. There is a James Derry b Sep Qtr 1868 and a George Derry b Jun Qtr 1866 both with mmm LONG
might be worth following up and seeing if they are on the census records. I'm off to Wales for a few days holiday now so unfortunately can't have a look at the moment for you
Chris
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Thankyou I’ll have a nosey at those. Have a lovely break in Wales 😊😊😊😊