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Title: Katsinellenboggin
Post by: doonayr on Monday 12 March 18 22:43 GMT (UK)
Could ttis photo please be improved?  Many thanks !
Title: Re: Katsinellenboggin
Post by: sarah on Tuesday 13 March 18 10:06 GMT (UK)
There is no photo attached doonayr

Sarah
Title: Re: Katsinellenboggin
Post by: sarah on Tuesday 13 March 18 12:13 GMT (UK)
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Ther4e definately was a picture attached. You are either blocking me for some reason I no know not why or you need to fix your web site. I have tried so many times that I feel you are being totally vindictive in this instant. I will be relaying

Doonayr, there is no image that I can see, no I am not blocking you I have been trying to help you attach your images, my comment is simply to let you know that the image did not attach please see this link that may help you work out what you are doing wrong.

Regards

Sarah
Title: Re: Katsinellenboggin
Post by: sarah on Tuesday 13 March 18 12:15 GMT (UK)
I have just checked my emails and can see that you have emailed me personally the picture with no message that has gone into my spam folder.
Title: Re: Katsinellenboggin
Post by: sarah on Tuesday 13 March 18 12:20 GMT (UK)
There were a number of problems that were stopping the image load.

Images was too large at 4.6m, I have resized it for you.Image filename has unusual characters lots of - _  and /'s I have renamed the file for you.

Sarah
Title: Re: Katsinellenboggin
Post by: Mike Morrell (NL) on Tuesday 13 March 18 16:56 GMT (UK)
Hi doonayr

This restore is challenging for me but I'm having a crack at it. I'm sure others are too. It'll take me another day or two to finish the job but here's a first 'work in progress' version. Still lots of cracks to fill and creases to iron out but I'm slowly getting there :)

Mike
Title: Re: Katsinellenboggin
Post by: doonayr on Tuesday 13 March 18 18:11 GMT (UK)
Thank you so much as it is the only picture of my grandfather as a child in my possession,   He is in the back row holding his bagpipes   third in from left. 
Title: Re: Katsinellenboggin
Post by: McGroger on Wednesday 14 March 18 12:56 GMT (UK)
My try.
Peter
Title: Re: Katsinellenboggin
Post by: Mike Morrell (NL) on Wednesday 14 March 18 17:21 GMT (UK)
My try.

Mike
Title: Re: Katsinellenboggin
Post by: doonayr on Wednesday 14 March 18 18:05 GMT (UK)
Both pictures look incredible as if they had just been taken..   Fantastic job.   Many thanks to you both for your time and ability to bring the past back to  life.   Many, many thanks !     Doonayr
Title: Re: Katsinellenboggin
Post by: Mike Morrell (NL) on Wednesday 14 March 18 22:21 GMT (UK)
Thanks, Doonayr, I'm glad you like them! The photo was interesting to work on - a bit like putting a jigsaw puzzle together. Like trying to figure out whether a 'white curving line' across someone's chest was a crack/crease (damage) or a lanyard that was part of the uniform. The same applies to 'white dots': were they "damage" or buttons/badges? Gradually I got a better idea of what different uniforms looked like, what to leave and what to remove.

Do you have any more information about this group? I'd be interested to learn more. There are youngsters with different uniforms, adult bagpipe players, there were drummers and there's a pile of brass instruments in the foreground. Some kind of marching band I would guess. But I'm curious about the mix of adults and youngsters (and the military-looking uniforms).

Just curious,

Mike

Both pictures look incredible as if they had just been taken..   Fantastic job.   Many thanks to you both for your time and ability to bring the past back to  life.   Many, many thanks !     Doonayr
Title: Re: Katsinellenboggin
Post by: McGroger on Wednesday 14 March 18 23:17 GMT (UK)
Thanks for your kind words, doonayr. :D
Peter
Title: Re: Katsinellenboggin
Post by: HughC on Thursday 15 March 18 15:29 GMT (UK)
Where did the weird spelling come from?
It should be Katzenellenbogen = cat's elbow, though I don't know what the significance is.
Later: just discovered it's a small town (not much more than a village) in the Taunus region,
and is spelled (somewhat irregularly) Katzenelnbogen

Anyway, you folks did brilliant jobs on the photo -- especially considering there wasn't want attached!
Title: Re: Katsinellenboggin
Post by: Treetotal on Thursday 15 March 18 15:46 GMT (UK)
I remember it as the title of a song when I was little  ;D :

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWjTmXT58nk

It's a place in Germany.

Carol
Title: Re: Katsinellenboggin
Post by: Berlin-Bob on Thursday 15 March 18 16:13 GMT (UK)
Where did the weird spelling come from?
It should be Katzenellenbogen = cat's elbow, though I don't know what the significance is.
Isn't it a variety of wine?

I also remember the song : "Gilly Gilly Ossenfeffer Katzenellenbogen by the sea".

But ... I am (vaguely) related to the KATZENELLENBOGEN Family, so I found this snippet quite interesting.

Roughly translated, it means
 [1] A corruption of the hebrew  Kazim Elim Bochen  - translated:  the sole leader of the tribe.

regards,
Bob

Google Books (https://books.google.de/books?id=Er7lDAAAQBAJ&pg=PT389&lpg=PT389&dq=Kazim+Elim+Bochen&source=bl&ots=3agQx8LMbK&sig=-tYsldyPEX-156uh7wvajB8XTMo&hl=de&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiD2c6-2u7ZAhXG16QKHdYEA-kQ6AEIMTAA#v=onepage&q=Kazim%20Elim%20Bochen&f=false)
Title: Re: Katsinellenboggin
Post by: HughC on Thursday 15 March 18 17:27 GMT (UK)
Thanks for the origin of the name, Bob.  I did wonder whether cats have elbows!

The word Verballhornung is often translated as bowdlerization, but in fact Johann Ballhorn was no Bowdler.  Far from deliberately "cleaning up" the classics to make them suitable reading for young ladies, he was simply incompetent and introduced so many errors in his legal texts that they sometimes meant quite the opposite of what was intended.

In this case it just means popular etymology.