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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Topic started by: Crabbykat on Monday 12 March 18 22:59 GMT (UK)
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Hello one and all, I am really hoping someone can help me I am baffled. I cannot for the life of me find my great grandparents on the census in Canada (Montreal), I have looked everywhere...
my g-grandfather was Frederick Harding and his wife was Louisa bailey b in Newfoundland. they had William in b 1906, Francis b in 1907 and Albert 1909, Ralph 1911, Ruth 1921 they lived in Montreal around the nutriment - or mount royal area, i have tried every possible way to find them but am not able to... can someone please help me.
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Hi
Welcome to RootsChat
Can see some of the baptisms in the Drouins collection - Francis Charles - district Hochelaga - 30 December 1907 - Methodist Sherbrooke Street (and his marriage in 1932 Montreal)
and R C (Ruth Clara) 9 June 1921 St-Laurent, Québec (Quebec).
Albert George Norris - Montreal City - 20 August 1909 - Methodist Sherbrooke Street
William Frederick - baptised 7 October 1905 - Anglican Saint Edward
Sadly not having any luck with those census though :'(
Sandra
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Thank you Sandra appreciate you looking, you are right with what you have found, I have all those documents as well, the children were all my great uncles and remember them like it was yesterday. Oh I noticed I misspelled Outremont, must have been watching hockey during that moment.
I know it seems to be so difficult to find the census I have tried different variations with no luck. I know when I looked up my paternal side their last name was Campbell and I could not find the 1911 census, it turns out they were listed under Campeau and it took me a long time to find that.
My uncle Charlie was born in 1924 and aunty Ruth in 1921, Harding their other children maybe with some luck i will find the 1921 census... here's hoping... :-)
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Perhaps you can find them on the 1921 census using an address.
There is only one Fred Harding in the 1920/21 and 1921/22 Montreal and area directory. He is a clerk. Address is 3310 Burman.
1922/23 directory has this Fred AND has a Frederick J Harding at 245 Hampton Av.
http://bibnum2.banq.qc.ca/bna/lovell/index.html
RK
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I looked in some directories from the 1930s... the Fred who is a clerk is now at 7416 Birnam. There is also a Francis Harding at that same address. This appears to be in the Outremont/Mount Royal area...not far from the University.
Welcome to RootsChat :) :) :)
RK
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The marriage was 20 December1905 - Methodist Sherbrooke Street - Frederick (bachelor - clerk - of Montreal) Louisa Amelia (spinster - minor with consent of parents)
Perhaps it would be more advantageous for a moderator to move this thread to the Canadian board ???
Sandra
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Perhaps you can find them on the 1921 census using an address.
There is only one Fred Harding in the 1920/21 and 1921/22 Montreal and area directory. He is a clerk. Address is 3310 Burman.
1922/23 directory has this Fred AND has a Frederick J Harding at 245 Hampton Av.
http://bibnum2.banq.qc.ca/bna/lovell/index.html
RK
The Library and Archives Canada site has a street index for the 1921 census (for the larger cities). Burman is District 169, subdistrict 35. You may have to page through the census to find them, but at least this helps to narrow down your search
https://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/census/1921/Documents/1921-Census-Street-Index-Montreal-EN.pdf
RK
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If you don't see them there (I took a quick peek and didn't see them), then you might check the Districts with subdistricts "Ahuntsic-Bordeaux". Looking in the Montreal Directory for 1921/22, under the Street Directory section... it says that Burman goes north from 489 Beaumont Av, Park Av Extension, Ahuntsic-Bordeaux ward. Listed at number 3310 is F Harding.
(the 1920/21 directory says exactly the same thing).
I posted the link to the directories earlier. You can take a look there :)
I can't see Burman on a modern map of Montreal, but you can find 489 Beaumont...and Park Avenue. Perhaps Burman street has a new name now, but it is in the same area as Birnam street (where the family is living in the 1930s.).
You may have to page through a few subdistricts to find them, but at least this narrows your search somewhat.
RK
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As for 1911
The 1910/11 and 1911/12 directories show Frederic Harding, clerk, living at 327 Drolet.
If you look for it on an online map.... you can see that Drolet is just west of Rue St-Denis, and number 327 is just north of Rue St Joseph O (Ouest/West).
According to this map of 1911 Districts... this address is in the Maisonneuve District.
http://jgs-montreal.org/images/montreal-census-1911.jpg
Back to the library and archives Canada site...
Maisonneuve District is number 172.
Back to the street listings in the 1910/11 and 1911/12 Montreal directories.... Drolet is in the St. Louis, St. Jean Baptiste and St. Denis wards. :'( That is a lot to look through, but at least it is not as bad as paging through the 1911 census for the entire City!!
Looking under the Maisonneuve District (on the Library and Archives Canada site)... I see several subdistricts in the St Jean Baptiste and in the St Denis wards.... but none in the St. Louis ward. So a part of Drolet is weeded out :)
RK
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Is it just me, or is it of interest that there's a ten-year gap between the two groups of children? Was Fred absent during the war or was the whole family elsewhere between 1911 and 1921, so that they don't show up on the census?
1910/1911 Montreal Directory -- Frederic Harding, clerk, 327 Drolet
1911/1912 -- Frederic Harding, clerk, 327 Drolet
1912/1913 -- F M Harding, clerk, MLH&P Co., Birnham Av. Park Av. extension
1913/1914 -- F Harding, clerk, MLH&P Co., Verville
1914/1915 -- three possibilities:
F. Harding, clerk, MLH&P Co., 3805 Verville
Fred Harding, supt., 252 Guy
Frederick Harding, clerk, Birnham Av. Park Av. extension
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Hi again...
You can also use the directories (the street index sections) to get a list of neighbours . Perhaps you could search for some of these neighbours on the census records. Hopefully they will show up and lead you to your relatives. This would save you a lot of page by page searching :) :)
RK
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1921 - Found District 169 - sub district 35 - 21 pages - some mentions of Burman Street but it was all a jumble of addresses ? No Hardings under 3310 or any where on those 21 pages.
Sandra
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Hi,
1911 census... I can see the even numbered houses on Drolet at Maisonneuve District, Subdistrict 62. The odd numbers must be close by!! Narrowing it down..... ;D ;D (I looked for James Easton... who I can see from the City Directory is at 306 Drolet.)
http://automatedgenealogy.com/census11/SplitView.jsp?id=100097&frag=e083/e002063796&dir=1911b
RK
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Oh no!!! Just found 327 Drolet (using neighbor Israel Pichette... in an odd numbered address). It is not the Hardings!!!! The other neighbours are right - Carons in 329 and Forests in 325. 327 is occupied by a McCrasey family.
Perhaps your Hardings were elsewhere in 1911 .. maybe rented out their home in Montreal??
http://automatedgenealogy.com/census11/SplitView.jsp?id=99479
RK :'( :'( :'( :'
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Really strange this one RK - no luck again today :-\
Sandra
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Ralph's baptism in June 1911 gives their address as 999 City Hall Avenue in Montreal. This would now be Avenue Hotel-de-Ville.
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In the 1911 Census at 999 Avenue de l'Hotel de Ville:
Harding, Phillips, Head, born March 1888, single, aged 23, born Quebec, Irish, Canadian
At the same address, Victor Migneron, aged 23, with his wife, Marie Rose, and son, Victor.
This is in Maisonneuve, Sub-District 63, St. Jean-Baptiste Ward
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Wow I am overwhelmed by everyone's help, thank you thank you so much. I'm going to go through all the messages and see if I can find anything.
Yes there seems to have been a 10 year gap in the children which I thought was strange. A good reason of why I was trying to find the census is to see what my great grandfather had entered as to where his parents were from and what year he immigrated. My understanding is he immigrated from England and the my mother mentioned the other day, she heard he came here as an orphan worker, but not sure of that story. Maybe not an orphan, possibly his parents sent him over to work, not sure, I just can't seem to get past beyond him. ???
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In the 1911 Census at 999 Avenue de l'Hotel de Ville:
Harding, Phillips, Head, born March 1888, single, aged 23, born Quebec, Irish, Canadian
At the same address, Victor Migneron, aged 23, with his wife, Marie Rose, and son, Victor.
This is in Maisonneuve, Sub-District 63, St. Jean-Baptiste Ward
Well done Eileen :) :) :)
Here is an image of the page you found. Philip is at the very bottom. I looked at the top of the next page... no Hardings. I wonder where the rest of the family is??
http://data2.collectionscanada.gc.ca/1911/jpg/e002063895.jpg
RK
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So, who is Phillip? 1911 directory shows a W. Hardy at that address.
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Tried again earlier today but nothing on Philip Harding - he is very well hidden as well - neither seem to show in WW1 - (No Canadian Attestation Papers)
Was any of the census for 1911 or 1921 missing does anyone know ?
Sandra