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Title: Help with 1777 Scottish marriage record
Post by: Jang on Tuesday 13 March 18 01:00 GMT (UK)
I need help with this 1777 marriage record from Barony, Scotland - the words after James Bennie - possibly farmer, Dalmarnock? Also the word after Jean Young - Cal?

Many thanks
Jan
Title: Re: Help with 1777 Scottish marriage record
Post by: purlin on Tuesday 13 March 18 14:44 GMT (UK)
Could it be Furrier?
Title: Re: Help with 1777 Scottish marriage record
Post by: artifis on Tuesday 13 March 18 15:57 GMT (UK)
Is it possible for you to post a scan of more of the page so we can compare capital and lower case letters?

The first letter looks like 'F' but then it appears to be followed by a lower case letter with a vertical upward stroke on the left hand side as in 'b', 'h' or 'k' but that wouldn't make a word. :-\
Title: Re: Help with 1777 Scottish marriage record
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 13 March 18 16:53 GMT (UK)
I think it is Farmer. Here's a larger snip :


Gadget

Clerk seems to have  a flourish at the end of some words and Farmer has a flourish.
Title: Re: Help with 1777 Scottish marriage record
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 13 March 18 16:57 GMT (UK)
Examples of captial Fs.

Add - We were  taught to write Fs like this with less of a flourish
Title: Re: Help with 1777 Scottish marriage record
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 13 March 18 17:01 GMT (UK)
And a definite F on the page

Title: Re: Help with 1777 Scottish marriage record
Post by: Jang on Tuesday 13 March 18 20:43 GMT (UK)
Thanks for the replies. Farmer fits in with what I know of this family. The entries seem to read name of groom, occupation, place, name of bride, place, so the last word would be the bride's place but I don't recognise it at all.
Title: Re: Help with 1777 Scottish marriage record
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 13 March 18 20:55 GMT (UK)
I've been puzzling about the bride's residence for a good while. It looks something like Cala?wide?

 :-\
Title: Re: Help with 1777 Scottish marriage record
Post by: bevj on Tuesday 13 March 18 20:58 GMT (UK)
It looks like Calderside to me.
Bev
Title: Re: Help with 1777 Scottish marriage record
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 13 March 18 21:07 GMT (UK)
Could be  :)

I was wondering if it was Calvinside  - i.e.  Kelvinside   :-\
Title: Re: Help with 1777 Scottish marriage record
Post by: Karen McDonald on Tuesday 13 March 18 21:16 GMT (UK)
Might it possibly be Calderside (Yorkshire)?

https://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/getoutside/local/calderside-calderdale

Karen
Title: Re: Help with 1777 Scottish marriage record
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 13 March 18 21:18 GMT (UK)
It's a Scottish marriage entry, Karen. Most likely to be in the Parish of Barony:

http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/LKS/Barony

Quote
They included Maryhill, Lambhill, Bishopriggs, Kelvinside, Possil, Balornock, Springburn, Provanmill, Millerston, Dennistoun, Garthamlock, Carntyne, Calton, Barlanark, Shettleston, Tollcross and Barrachnie.


Title: Re: Help with 1777 Scottish marriage record
Post by: Karen McDonald on Tuesday 13 March 18 21:22 GMT (UK)
I thought we were talking about where the bride came from, or have I misunderstood this entirely?
Title: Re: Help with 1777 Scottish marriage record
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 13 March 18 21:30 GMT (UK)
Probably it was the bride's Parish.
Title: Re: Help with 1777 Scottish marriage record
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 13 March 18 21:34 GMT (UK)
Online trees have Jean born Glasgow.
Title: Re: Help with 1777 Scottish marriage record
Post by: JenB on Tuesday 13 March 18 21:45 GMT (UK)
I thought it read Cald[..]side. The fourth letter of the word seems to be 'd'. You can see where the rather extravagant loop of the 'd' has been cut off at the top of the snip.

There was a small place called Calderside to the east of East Kilbride  :-\
http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=15&lat=55.7681&lon=-4.1321&layers=6&right=BingHyb
Title: Re: Help with 1777 Scottish marriage record
Post by: JenB on Tuesday 13 March 18 21:55 GMT (UK)
I see the brides surname was Young.
Here's a record of a James Young at Calderside 1797-98
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lqo/

and here http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lqp/
Title: Re: Help with 1777 Scottish marriage record
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 13 March 18 22:01 GMT (UK)
You are probably correct, Jennifer. I couldn't see  parish after the place as on some of  the other entries that weren't of Barony. However, I've just noticed a very small p after the place.  So Calderside  p(arish)  :D

(Not sure that it is a parish though)

Add- think it's in Blantyre parish
Title: Re: Help with 1777 Scottish marriage record
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 13 March 18 22:45 GMT (UK)
An interesting baptism for a Jean Young, in Blantyre parish

30 Dec 1756 - Jean Young and Margaret Young twin daughters  to  William Young in Caldarside (sic)



Gadget



Title: Re: Help with 1777 Scottish marriage record
Post by: JenB on Tuesday 13 March 18 22:48 GMT (UK)
Add- think it's in Blantyre parish

Yes, the links in my earlier post both show that the Calderside I'd found was in Blantyre parish
Title: Re: Help with 1777 Scottish marriage record
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 13 March 18 22:53 GMT (UK)
I confess to not looking at the parish in the link - more looking for Calderside.

The baptism that  I found looks a strong possible. 
Title: Re: Help with 1777 Scottish marriage record
Post by: Skoosh on Tuesday 13 March 18 23:10 GMT (UK)
Calderside! well done, stumped me. Calder? 2 or 3 rivers of that name in Lanarkshire. Glasgow at that time was made up of the City parish & the Barony parish, plus the Gorbals south of the Clyde!

Skoosh.
Title: Re: Help with 1777 Scottish marriage record
Post by: Jang on Tuesday 13 March 18 23:46 GMT (UK)
Wow, thanks so much. I nearly didn't get this marriage record - they usually say both of this parish, not much help - but that one word, Calderside, has opened up a whole branch for me.

According to the naming patterns, Jean's father shoud be William, so that fits with the one you found, Gadget

In 1841 James and Jean (Young) Bennie's grandson, William Bennie, was living with a Young family in Dalmarnock Rd so that probably means they're relations of his grandmother's, somehow.

It all fits :-)
Jan