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Title: Harry Isles, Firdale, Manitoba 1909
Post by: liznjohn2011 on Tuesday 13 March 18 09:31 GMT (UK)
Hi all,
I'm hoping for some help in finding out more about my 1st cousin 3x removed Harry Isles.

I have found a newspaper artical about his death in 1909, with some fab information stating..
   'The deceased took a very prominent part in the Templar movement in the Dominion, that 'The Royal Templar' says the bereavement which has overtaken the council of the death of it's founder..
    Also that he was made the 1st P.C

Sadly he was only 26 when he died.
His father also Harry Isles was the postmaster in Firdale at the time.

I'm in the UK and have no idea how or what other information I could find out?

Any help would be much appreciated

Liz

Title: Re: Harry Isles, Firdale, Manitoba 1909
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 13 March 18 09:53 GMT (UK)
Hi

I had problems finding info on some of my ancestral relatives in Manitoba because of lack of records but there's a lot more on line now. I had lots of help from RC Canadian members  :)

In the 1901 census, the family were living Macdonald, Manitoba.  They appear to have arrived in Canada in 1891/2

Harry Isles, 46, b. England, arrived 1891,Methodist, farmer
Eleanor, 48, arrived 1892, -do-
William, 20  -do-
Harry, 17, -do-
Eleanor, 13, b. Scotland, -do-

An online tree has his mother as Eleanor Traynor or Tranner. 


Gadget
Title: Re: Harry Isles, Firdale, Manitoba 1909
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 13 March 18 09:59 GMT (UK)
The online tree has him born in Berwick on Tweed, July 1883.

In 1891 they were in Edinburgh, St Cuthbert.

Do you have access to UK records?

Gadget
Title: Re: Harry Isles, Firdale, Manitoba 1909
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 13 March 18 10:04 GMT (UK)
Tree has the parents marrying in Berwick on Tweed, 29th June 1879

Harry Isles and Eleanor Trainer,  Berwick, Jun q, 1879, vol 10b. p 489


Gadget
Title: Re: Harry Isles, Firdale, Manitoba 1909
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 13 March 18 10:07 GMT (UK)
A bit more

His mother, Eleanor, died 14 May 1915 and father Harry died 15 November 1919, Firdale, Manitoba


Gadget
Title: Re: Harry Isles, Firdale, Manitoba 1909
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 13 March 18 10:13 GMT (UK)
1891 Census: 3 Grange Loan, Edinburgh. St Cuthberts

Harry Isles, 36, coal salesman, b. Halifax
Eleanor, 37, b. Berwick/Tweed
William, 10, b. -do-
Harry, 7, b. -d0-
Eleanor, 3, b. Dunbar

Gadget
Title: Re: Harry Isles, Firdale, Manitoba 1909
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 13 March 18 10:45 GMT (UK)
Passenger lists

Harry Isles arrived in Quebec, 6th May 1891, aboard the Norwegian, departing Glasgow

Others - Helen, William, Harry, Helen  -  arrived Quebec, 2 May 1892, aboard the Assyrian, departing Glasgow

Gadget
Title: Re: Harry Isles, Firdale, Manitoba 1909
Post by: liznjohn2011 on Tuesday 13 March 18 10:45 GMT (UK)
Hi Gadget

Thank you for having a look for my family.

I have only just found out about Eleanor Trainer name as Tranner. Just shows how names can change.
I did know the other facts, but thank you again (I should of added everything that I had known about them)

What had caught my eye, was Harry Isles been known as the founder of a templarism movement in Firdale.
Then also being the 1st P.C according to the newspaper artical.

Now I'm wondering if I could find the grave stone if one was put in place of Harry Isles, Eleanor Trainer/Tranner

Liz
Title: Re: Harry Isles, Firdale, Manitoba 1909
Post by: liznjohn2011 on Tuesday 13 March 18 10:47 GMT (UK)
That's good to know about the passenger list and ship they arrived on, thank you. Going to have a look and see if I can find a pic
Title: Re: Harry Isles, Firdale, Manitoba 1909
Post by: Gadget on Tuesday 13 March 18 10:48 GMT (UK)
I've had a quick look on FindaGrave for Harry but nothing turning up yet:

https://www.findagrave.com/

Might be worth having another look as I've got to go off shortly.


I assume it would be in Firdale.

Gadget
Title: Re: Harry Isles, Firdale, Manitoba 1909
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 13 March 18 10:53 GMT (UK)
This link will help you access census etc for free if that helps............

http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/search/Pages/ancestors-search.aspx


There was an article in the Manitoba Morning Free Press - 20 August 1909 - is that the one you already have.  Can send you full article if this is not the one you already have.
Short excerpt which mentions a payment $1,000 to his parents......

Sandra

Title: Re: Harry Isles, Firdale, Manitoba 1909
Post by: liznjohn2011 on Tuesday 13 March 18 10:56 GMT (UK)
Sandra,
The artical I have read was in The Berwickshire News, Sept 21 1909.

There might be different things added, I'd love a read if you don't mind please

Liz
Title: Re: Harry Isles, Firdale, Manitoba 1909
Post by: liznjohn2011 on Tuesday 13 March 18 10:58 GMT (UK)
Iv just checked out findagrave and can't fine anything of Isles,Firdale.

I might have to put it at a wider range and trawl through it


Thanks
Title: Re: Harry Isles, Firdale, Manitoba 1909
Post by: liznjohn2011 on Tuesday 13 March 18 11:02 GMT (UK)
Hi Sandra

In the artical iv already read, they mention "Carberry News" Manitoba, so there must be something in there about him? No idea of a date for that though
Title: Re: Harry Isles, Firdale, Manitoba 1909
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 13 March 18 11:04 GMT (UK)
No problem Liz. Send me a pm with your personal e-mail address and I will send the full article for you.

If you have no luck with FIND A GRAVE - 

How to create a memorial at Find A Grave.

You could join Find A Grave (free) and create a memorial page for Harry Isles and then request a photograph - its explained here -  How to submit a photo request.  Hope this helps.

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=listFaqs#73


https://roadsidethoughts.com/mb/firdale-cemeteries.htm

Sandra
Title: Re: Harry Isles, Firdale, Manitoba 1909
Post by: liznjohn2011 on Tuesday 13 March 18 11:10 GMT (UK)
Iv sent a pm Sandra.
That last link looks interesting, il check it out on the laptop later on thanks.

Il have a read about making a request with findagrave

Liz
Title: Re: Harry Isles, Firdale, Manitoba 1909
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 13 March 18 11:13 GMT (UK)
Eleanor Isles passed away 14 th May 1915 Winnipeg Manitoba.

https://vitalstats.gov.mb.ca/DetailView.php

Harry Isles passed away 15 November 1919 York Ontario - aged 65 years -
burial - Firdale Manitoba.

1906 census - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KHJK-CWK

1911 census - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QV95-89T1


Sandra
Title: Re: Harry Isles, Firdale, Manitoba 1909
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 13 March 18 11:15 GMT (UK)
Should be with you Liz.  Let me know if you would like the death cert for Harry Isle Snr.

Sandra
Title: Re: Harry Isles, Firdale, Manitoba 1909
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 13 March 18 11:20 GMT (UK)
William Isles marriage to Annie Matilda Gough - 13 May 1914 Winnipeg Manitoba -
Registration Number    1914,100110


http://vitalstats.gov.mb.ca/Query.php

11, 12, 1st, North Norfolk - Neepawa, Manitoba, Canada 1916

William Isles 34  - Annie M. Isles 22   - Elizabeth Isles 0

Ancestry tree gives date of death for William - 25 June 1950 Winnipeg.

Sandra
Title: Re: Harry Isles, Firdale, Manitoba 1909
Post by: liznjohn2011 on Tuesday 13 March 18 11:24 GMT (UK)
Hi Sandra,

I can't seem to get any joy with the vital statistics links you sent. They cant find any Isles? Dont know if im doing it right?

Harry Isles death cert would be fab thank you.
Also I don't have the newspaper artical as yet. Thank you for all you doing to help

Liz
Title: Re: Harry Isles, Firdale, Manitoba 1909
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 13 March 18 11:30 GMT (UK)
Has it gone in your junk folder ?  Resent - also death certificate.

Does this one work for you (its ok for me)  - http://vitalstats.gov.mb.ca/Query.php

There is an RAOGK volunteer in Winnipeg Manitoba who will check archives, manitoba genealogical society, local history books, cemeteries, cemetery photos, library, church records - could be worth an e-mail

https://www.raogk.org/lookups/region/manitoba/

Sandra
Title: Re: Harry Isles, Firdale, Manitoba 1909
Post by: liznjohn2011 on Tuesday 13 March 18 11:41 GMT (UK)
I got a notification that it was coming from Ancestry but nothing else? Nothing in the junk files.

Il have a look at the volunteer bit aswel once in on the laptop aswel, thank you.

Liz
Title: Re: Harry Isles, Firdale, Manitoba 1909
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 13 March 18 11:46 GMT (UK)
Eleanor Isles - marriage 28 October 1908 -N Cypress, Manitoba, Canada  - spouse  Harry Lidster

Portage la Prairie Manitoba 1911

Henry Litster   23
Nellie Litster   23 born Scotland.
Violet Litster   1
John Litster   3 months.

Violet Henrietta Litster - 27 August 1909 - R.M. of North Cypress, Manitoba, Canada.



Sandra
Title: Re: Harry Isles, Firdale, Manitoba 1909
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 13 March 18 11:50 GMT (UK)
Violet Henretta Lewis - 27 August 1909 - married John Clarence Lewis 3 March 1934 - Manitoiba Marriage Index.
Violet passed away 30 APR 1979 - New Westminster, British Columbia.
Death certificate..........Violet was a widow - the informant was her daughter - living Port Moody BC.
Vancouver Crematorium

http://search-collections.royalbcmuseum.bc.ca/Image/Genealogy/b7722ce8-857e-4028-90dd-c9a4114af2bb

husband John 1901 - 1978

http://search-collections.royalbcmuseum.bc.ca/Image/Genealogy/a9af8f16-906a-4ad2-a2b2-005bc0f297eb

Sandra

Title: Re: Harry Isles, Firdale, Manitoba 1909
Post by: liznjohn2011 on Tuesday 13 March 18 11:56 GMT (UK)
Those death certs are fab thank you so much Sandra. Would you be able to send the death cert for Harry Isles snr aswel if you don't mind please?

Thanks

Liz
Title: Re: Harry Isles, Firdale, Manitoba 1909
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 13 March 18 12:03 GMT (UK)
I've sent Harry Isles Snr - but will resend -

A few newspaper articles here but they are pay per view unless you can get a free trial

https://newspaperarchive.com/tags/harry-isles/?psi=47&pci=2/

Sandra
Title: Re: Harry Isles, Firdale, Manitoba 1909
Post by: liznjohn2011 on Tuesday 13 March 18 12:13 GMT (UK)
Iv just been having a look at the newspaper site you linked. Thanks again!! You've been a huge help.

Il have a check again for the death cert

Liz
Title: Re: Harry Isles, Firdale, Manitoba 1909
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 13 March 18 12:24 GMT (UK)
Not quite sure why your not getting them within minutes - but have sent Harry Isles Snr again.

Sandra
Title: Re: Harry Isles, Firdale, Manitoba 1909
Post by: liznjohn2011 on Tuesday 13 March 18 12:38 GMT (UK)
I'm not sure either Sandra, if just checked again and nothing. The last inbox I had was saying that the page was coming straight from ancestry and would take a couple of minutes

Liz
Title: Re: Harry Isles, Firdale, Manitoba 1909
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 13 March 18 13:47 GMT (UK)
William Isles marriage to Annie Matilda Gough - 13 May 1914 Winnipeg Manitoba -
Registration Number    1914,100110


http://vitalstats.gov.mb.ca/Query.php

11, 12, 1st, North Norfolk - Neepawa, Manitoba, Canada 1916

William Isles 34  - Annie M. Isles 22   - Elizabeth Isles 0

Ancestry tree gives date of death for William - 25 June 1950 Winnipeg.

Sandra

Annie Matilda Isles (wife of William) passed away 24 May 1920  - aged 26 years -  Winnipeg Manitoba - (Manitoba Death Indexes)

http://vitalstats.gov.mb.ca/ListView.php

Sandra

Title: Re: Harry Isles, Firdale, Manitoba 1909
Post by: RunKitty on Tuesday 13 March 18 15:07 GMT (UK)
If you are still having trouble getting Henry Isles Sr's death cert...it is also available on familysearch.  You may have to sign in to view it, but here it is

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DHZQ-FK9?i=974&cc=1307826

RK
Title: Re: Harry Isles, Firdale, Manitoba 1909
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 13 March 18 15:13 GMT (UK)
Manitoba probate record - Eleanor Isles

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-8111-9PNC?i=1215&cc=1987562

Sandra
Title: Re: Harry Isles, Firdale, Manitoba 1909
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 13 March 18 15:17 GMT (UK)
Manitoba probate record for Henry Isles -


https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9MM-MZJ4?i=2096&cc=1987562

Sandra
Title: Re: Harry Isles, Firdale, Manitoba 1909
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 13 March 18 15:22 GMT (UK)
There was another birth for a daughter to William Isles and Annie Matilda nee Gough Isles - 17 November 1917 - Gwyneth Irene Isles.

vitalstats.gov.mb.ca/Query.php

Sandra
Title: Re: Harry Isles, Firdale, Manitoba 1909
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 13 March 18 15:32 GMT (UK)
Manitoiba probate record Harry Isles Jnr. 30 July 1909 passed away Pine Creek Bridge.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9MM-V9M5-3?i=1215&cc=1987562

Sandra

Title: Re: Harry Isles, Firdale, Manitoba 1909
Post by: RunKitty on Tuesday 13 March 18 15:50 GMT (UK)
Eleanor Isles - marriage 28 October 1908 -N Cypress, Manitoba, Canada  - spouse  Harry Lidster

Portage la Prairie Manitoba 1911

Henry Litster   23
Nellie Litster   23 born Scotland.
Violet Litster   1
John Litster   3 months.

Violet Henrietta Litster - 27 August 1909 - R.M. of North Cypress, Manitoba, Canada.

Sandra

Obituary for Mrs Eleanor Litster in the MacGregor Herald newspaper on November 9, 1967... page 6.

It says she was 79, of MacGregor, Manitoba.  She died Nov 5 1967 as a result of a car accident east of Elie, Manitoba.   She was born in Edinburgh and came to Canada 74 years ago with her parents, the late Mr and Mrs Harry Isles.  They settled on the Carberry plains. After her marriage to the late Henry Litster, she and her husband farmed in the Firdale district for over 40 years and retired to MacGregor in 1950.  She was a member of St. Paul's Anglican Church in MacGregor.

Her husband Harry died in 1963.  She is survived by sons Jack and Clifford of MacGregor and Jim of Domain, Manitoba.  Daughters Mrs J C Lewis (Vi) of MacGregor and Mrs L F (Ila) Westrum of Briercrest Saskatchewan.  14 grandchildren and 4 great grandchildren.  Interment in the family plot in the MacGregor Cemetery

RK
Title: Re: Harry Isles, Firdale, Manitoba 1909
Post by: RunKitty on Tuesday 13 March 18 15:52 GMT (UK)
Obituary for James Nelson Litster - 1995

https://newspaperarchive.com/winnipeg-free-press-may-16-1995-p-29/

RK
Title: Re: Harry Isles, Firdale, Manitoba 1909
Post by: RunKitty on Tuesday 13 March 18 15:55 GMT (UK)
Leonard Westrum obituary - 2003.  Husband of Ila Litster

http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/timescolonist/obituary.aspx?n=leonard-westrum&pid=157447901

RK
Title: Re: Harry Isles, Firdale, Manitoba 1909
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 13 March 18 16:12 GMT (UK)
Excellent RK - poster will be delighted.  ;)

Regards
Sandra
Title: Re: Harry Isles, Firdale, Manitoba 1909
Post by: liznjohn2011 on Tuesday 13 March 18 17:22 GMT (UK)
Sorry im Just back online,

Wow.. lol

Sandra, you've been busy this afternoon! I apprieciate everything.. thank you so much..
Can't wait to read the link for Eleanor Isles 1915.. she is my 3rd great aunt


Runkitty..
Thank you for those links!
I have found out that Ila Westrum nee Litster celebrated her 100th birthday last year!

Thank you both!!

Liz
Title: Re: Harry Isles, Firdale, Manitoba 1909
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 16 March 18 00:23 GMT (UK)
You're very welcome Liz.  Hope it helps fill out your family tree - you never know, relatives may pick up on the thread - due to the powers of google, it happens quite often -

We always appreciate updates if you have the time.

100 years - it is so lovely to read of people getting to be centenarians  :)

Canada has quite strict privacy laws so you were very fortunate with what we could find. Shout if you need more.  ;)

Regards
Sandra

Title: Re: Harry Isles, Firdale, Manitoba 1909
Post by: manawakian on Wednesday 16 May 18 13:07 BST (UK)
This site http://manitobia.ca/resources/books/local_histories/208.pdf will take you to volume one of the local history of the Rural Municipality of North Norfolk which includes the location known as Firdale, Manitoba. This file takes a long, long time to download, but has some famiy histories of Isles and Lidster families you might find interesting.  Volume 2 of this history can also be found at this site, which has a short history of Firdale including mention of Harry Isles brief operation of a store and post office at Firdale.

Firdale has essentially vanished as a community, but still shows up on maps since it is what is referred to as a railroad siding.  There is no cemetery in the immediate vicinity, but the history book has some Isles family members buried at Edrans, another virtual ghost town about 10 mies away.  I live a half hours drive away from Edrans and will check out this cemetery for you some nice day and send photos of any Isles related tombstones found.
Title: Re: Harry Isles, Firdale, Manitoba 1909
Post by: liznjohn2011 on Wednesday 16 May 18 19:34 BST (UK)
Iv just been having a look at the link you posted Manawakian, thank you very much. Iv been able to add some childrens names to the Litster family. I couldnt find how to search for Volume 2.

Its very kind of you to offer to check out the cemetery for Isles/Litsters for me, Thank you very much again!!

Liz
Title: Re: Harry Isles, Firdale, Manitoba 1909
Post by: manawakian on Thursday 17 May 18 12:35 BST (UK)
To find volume 2 start here http://manitobia.ca/content/en then click on books, go down the list to North Norfolk and find volume 2.  Also on the list of books are Austin and Carberry.  The sole listing for Austin and the top listing for Carberry both have brief histories of Firdale with mentions of Isles and Litsters.
Title: Re: Harry Isles, Firdale, Manitoba 1909
Post by: manawakian on Thursday 17 May 18 15:04 BST (UK)
The 1901 census has birthdates for the Isles:

Harry          11 Dec 1854
Eleanor        21 Aug 1852
William          2 Jan 1881
Harry             6 Jun 1883
Elenor           26 Jan 1888
Title: Re: Harry Isles, Firdale, Manitoba 1909
Post by: manawakian on Saturday 26 May 18 00:48 BST (UK)
Have posted photos of ISLES, TRAINER, COUCH & LITSTER gravestones on findagrave.com .  They have only one cemetery named Edrans Community Cemetery so easy to find, just type the single word Edrans in the spot labelled Cemetery Location and hit Search.
Title: Re: Harry Isles, Firdale, Manitoba 1909
Post by: liznjohn2011 on Sunday 27 May 18 13:48 BST (UK)
Manawakian, your a star!!
Thank you so much for going back to the cemetery and taking those photos. I really apprieciate you taking the time. They are really fab to see!

Liz