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I am finding it very difficult to research a branch of the family that lived in London. Is this because many of the records were destroyed in the Blitz, or simply because they are so vast? It is really frustrating me! Thanks.
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Welcome to Rootschat :) Perhaps if you give us some names, possible locations and which census you are having trouble with - we might be able to help you. :)
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Hi,
Welcome to Rootschat. :)
As far as I know the only complete census to have been destroyed was 1931, which was lost in a fire. 1921 is not available yet so the latest census is 1911; the 1939 Register is available on FindMyPast.
Some small areas have been lost; for example parts of Woolwich 1861 census where one of my lines lived.
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Thanks for that info. I am researching two ancestors, Wm John Shepherd born about 1857 and his wife Sarah Ann Foy born about the same time, married at St Johns Walworth. My first connection to them is the marriage certificate of 1877. So they are both missing from at least 2 census records.
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Sarah Ann Foy
1861 census 10 York Road Lambeth
Sarah Foy 26 mar lodger born Fulham
James B 4 bermondsey
Sarah A 2. "
Lodging with James Betts and family
1871 census 5 East Road Southwark
Charles Foy 38 foreman on steam boat rotherhithe
Sarah 37 Fulham
James B 14 Bermondsey
Sarah Ann J 12 Newington
Agnes A 9
Charles. A 7
Alice M 3
Emily A 9 months
Jennifer
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When her sister Emily Ada marries Charles the father has occ. engineer.
Jennifer
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Do you have them in the census after they are married?
Jennifer
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Hi are they with family in Aston, Birmingham in 1891 ?
Census ref RG12/2421/61/9
Keyboard86
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HI again, this is the 1891 family in 1881 census:-
William J SHEPPERD 24 occ House Painter b Camberwell
Sarah A 22 b Camberwell ( Newington on 1891/1911)
William C 2
Charles F 11 Months
All children b Birmingham
Census ref RG11/3032/52/25
Charles Frederick Shepherd June qtr 1880 Aston 6d 399 mmn FOY
Keyboard86
PS Welcome to Rootschat!!
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Jennifer C - yes, I did have that info for Sarah A born Newington, but I was doubtful if it was the correct family, as on the marriage cert dated 1877 her father was listed as Charles Alfred Foy, engineer. I think I might go back and pursue that a little further.
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Keyboard 86 - yes, they are the family in Aston. WmJohn was my great grandfather.
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Keyboard 86 - yes, they are the family in Aston. WmJohn was my great grandfather.
Hi again, so you knew of the Aston family of Shepherd, your concern is the earlisr census for Sarah Ann Foy is it the correct father?
Keyboard86
PS I would say it was the family located earlier for her?
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Jennifer C - yes, I did have that info for Sarah A born Newington, but I was doubtful if it was the correct family, as on the marriage cert dated 1877 her father was listed as Charles Alfred Foy, engineer. I think I might go back and pursue that a little further.
Hi I have checked out all marriages for the girls on 1871 census, on each occasion they have given the occupation of Charles or Charles Alfred Foy as Engineer.
On all the baptisms I located the occupation of Charles was a Fireman.
PS the Clementine H Foy on 1881 with a widowed Sarah, married as Helena Clementina Foy 13th December 1913 St James, Bermondsey her father was Charles Edward/Edmund Foy ?? occ Engineer. ( Her birth was registered as Clemente/Clements Eleanor Foy June qtr 1878 St Olave mmn Betts.)
Charles was baptised 30th June 1837 Rotherhithe St Mary as Charles Edward Foy born 7th March 1833 father George occ Custom House Officer Mother Elizabeth along with his brother James William Foy b 10th December 1830.
He married as Charles Foy occ Fireman Father George occ Land Waiter ( A Custom House Officer)
Sarah Betts Father James Betts occ Leather Dresser
16th October 1854 St John Horselydown
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Keyboard 86
Thanks so much for that info. That looks fairly conclusive and I can reinstate my records for Sarah and Betts connection, and add in the Foy names. Which leaves me with Wm John Shepherd born Camberwell around 1857, father James who was deceased on the marriage certificate. Onwards and upwards!
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Hi again, William J was still alive 1911 and his death looks to be Sept qtr 1927 Birmingham 6d 17 aged 70
Keyboard86
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On the marriage cert in 1877 William John gave his address as 5 Clandon Street.
That address in 1871:
618/39/72
Ancestry has the people listed as:
Swyson Sheppard 48
Rosa M Sheppard 45
Ellen Sheppard 13
Just wondered if there were a connection somehow.
Maureen
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Hi that 1871 census suggests this couple in 1851 census:-
Samuel W Sheppard 28 occ Gardener b Newington
Rosamond 25 b Hackney
Residing at John Street, Newington
Census ref HO107/1567/662/41
Keyboard86
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Hi again, the 1871 couple look to be in 1881:-
Wyson Sheppard 59
Rosamond 55
RG11/535/52/35
Possible marriage Samuel Weston Shepherd to Rosamond Alcock March qtr 1847 Newington
Keyboard86
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Yes,that's the one I think as well,keyboard.
I think Sam*s father was Weston Shep*rd. They seem to be found in the 1841 census. I was wondering if there was a James in the family but it doesn't look like it.
Oh well,worth a try!
Maureen
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Keyboard86
Thanks so much for this - you are being very generous with your time and effort on my behalf! I need to get myself together and do some searching using your clues, but this does seem a useful lead. My mother would hardly ever speak of her parents on either side, so we gathered there was some family constraints in there.