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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (East Riding & York) => Topic started by: stevejgarton on Tuesday 13 March 18 18:38 GMT (UK)
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Hi
I have a Henning line in Hull one of whom, my gg grandfather Charles Henning is a brick wall. I know he married Ann Wilson (Levett) in 1859 and my g grandfather William Robert Henning was born the following year. I have Charles on the 1861 census but after that all I have is that when his wife passed away in 1880 she was named as "wife of" on her death cert. Any tips much appreciated.
Cheers
Steve
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1859 Marriage was at all saints sculcoates.
What age, occupation, address, witneses appear there?
Where does the levett name come in?
Nor can i see them in 1861. Can you provide the references, or a direct link on familysearch?
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This is them in 1861 - he's a Ship's Carpenter born Norway, and his age has reduced from when he married ::)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7YC-68T
Added: Swett/Sweet should be Levett
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Charles 27 address was Robinson Row and Ann 28 was Air Street. Ann was born Ann Levett, her first marriage was to a william wilson. Charles was a carpenter son of Charles a horse doctor. Witnesses: John Glen & Catherine Dinning
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Yes I have the 1861 census thanks but no more after that date as previously stated.
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Yes I have the 1861 census thanks but no more after that date as previously stated.
Hi Steve
I understand that you already have the 1861 but I posted it so that others don't have to search for it. Before we go forward to search for him we need as much information as possible - such as age, occupation & place of birth - which the 1861 & the marriage certificate both provide.
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The 1861 census shows him as being a ship's carpenter, whch, in the days of wooden sailing ships, could entail his being away at sea.
This website has the 1881 crew list database of all British ships.
I see there are some with the surname Henning. As most official British records were required to state full name, he might not be noted as Charles/Charlie/Chas but that name would be reflected as an initial "C" for a middle name.
The logs are displayed as images, which is a bit of an eye strain.
https://www.mun.ca/mha/1881/crews1881.php
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It may be worth investigating the Charles Henning born Norway c1833 who appears on the New York census from 1870 onwards, running a boarding house for sailors.
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Thanks for the crew lists link dont see any evidence that my Charles is amongst them.
I have already investigated and discounted the New York one, wife and daughters were born in Germany and the ages would count aginst it being my Charles.
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I have already investigated and discounted the New York one, wife and daughters were born in Germany and the ages would count aginst it being my Charles.
Are we looking at the same record? In 1870 the daughters are Caroline 6 and Ann 4, both born New York, and in 1880 the only daughters is Annie aged 15. The first child is therefore born c1864, so well within the timescale for Charles to have left England & settled in the US. His Naturalisation is dated 5 Oct 1868.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M8XV-XYW
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Ann Henning was buried at Holy Trinity, Hull on 22 May 1880. Age is given as 54 and address as King Street.
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The death of the Charles in NY is possibly across the Hudson in Kearny, New Jersey in 1896 - aged 64 & born Norway.
Kearny is a suburb of Newark, New Jersey, and the Newark city directories to 1897 have a Charles/Chas Henning, Carpenter (they would probably have been compiled the previous year) :-\
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Ann Henning was buried at Holy Trinity, Hull on 22 May 1880. Age is given as 54 and address as King Street.
Yes 3 Handleys Place, New King St.
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I have already investigated and discounted the New York one, wife and daughters were born in Germany and the ages would count aginst it being my Charles.
Are we looking at the same record? In 1870 the daughters are Caroline 6 and Ann 4, both born New York, and in 1880 the only daughters is Annie aged 15. The first child is therefore born c1864, so well within the timescale for Charles to have left England & settled in the US. His Naturalisation is dated 5 Oct 1868.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M8XV-XYW
Sorry yes I must have found another record as this one certainly is interesting, as is the death record. It might also explain why his marriage to Ann only produced a single child, unusual in those times. Will have to research and see if there was a divorce, and passengers lists too. thanks for this much appreciated. The one thing that would scupper this is that on the death cert for Ann Henning 19th May 1880 she is given as wife of Charles Henning a shipping clerk. If he had disappeared some 15 years or so earlier why would he be noted on the death cert? seems unlikely.....
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The one thing that would scupper this is that on the death cert for Ann Henning 19th May 1880 she is given as wife of Charles Henning a shipping clerk. If he had disappeared some 15 years or so earlier why would he be noted on the death cert? seems unlikely.....
I think you might find that it was quite shameful in previous centuries to have to admit your husband left you. On the other hand he might have convinced his wife that the only job he could secure with the shipping company was as a clerk in the USA and had been sending money back to England.
I have one aunt who told the family her OH had died during WWII sailing on an arctic convoy. He signed on as a cook although was a surgeon and had actually been in the navy during WWI. I knew the name of the ship but research showed it plied betwwen Britain and the Mediterrnean Sea. He actually died in a London hotel after mistakenly taking too many tablets, according to the enquiry.
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My GG Grandmother was deserted in 1879 - her husband Henry went to America & remarried - but her 1923 death certificate still named her as the wife of Henry, even though he'd been gone for almost 45 years!
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Ok so this would seem a distinct possibility that Charles did a runner, so I now need to find him on a ships passenger list after 1861. Thanks for all the help.
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I haven't been able to find him on a passenger list unfortunately. The earliest record I've found is in 1867 at 68 Cherry, New York, occupation Seaman (Trow's New York Directory 1867-1868).
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You might like to make a note of this maritime online database of the merchant navy, which is in the process of publishing crew list names.
http://www.crewlist.org.uk/
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Update: I have now found on the Wills site that when Ann Henning (wife of Charles) died in 1880 administration of her personal estate was granted to her sister, as William Robert son and only next of kin was under age. The following year 1881 administration was granted to William Robert as he had now come of age. Ann is described as a widow. How likely is it now that Charles had deserted her? or is it more likely he had passed away?
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I have already investigated and discounted the New York one, wife and daughters were born in Germany and the ages would count aginst it being my Charles.
Are we looking at the same record? In 1870 the daughters are Caroline 6 and Ann 4, both born New York, and in 1880 the only daughters is Annie aged 15. The first child is therefore born c1864, so well within the timescale for Charles to have left England & settled in the US. His Naturalisation is dated 5 Oct 1868.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M8XV-XYW
I understand the naturalisation process took 5 years meaning the earliest he could have arrived in the US would have been October 1863, and as he was on the 1861 UK census that will restrict a passenger list search to just over a 2 year period. Is there anywhere I can find out more about the naturalisation record? Are the declaration of intent records available?