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Title: 1891 census look up for stoke on Trent
Post by: carol46 on Wednesday 14 March 18 08:37 GMT (UK)
Hi could someone do a census look up for a Arthur Spooner born Stoke On Trent in 1896 97. He was married to a Elsie Roberts in 1910 Thankyou.
Title: Re: 1891 census look up for stoke on Trent
Post by: BumbleB on Wednesday 14 March 18 08:40 GMT (UK)
Apologies, but if he was born 1896/7 he won't appear on the 1891 census.  :-\

Title: Re: 1891 census look up for stoke on Trent
Post by: crisane on Wednesday 14 March 18 08:43 GMT (UK)
I got the correct birth date from the later censuses.
 RG12 piece 2181 folio 89 page 21
Stoke upon Trent, Staffordshire,
Richard H Spooner 34 crate maker
Harriet Spooner    32
Florance B Spooner 11
Richard H Spooner 9
George E Spooner 7
Arthur Spooner    4 Longton staffordshire
Ada Spooner 2

All born Longton Staffordshire
Title: Re: 1891 census look up for stoke on Trent
Post by: crisane on Wednesday 14 March 18 08:46 GMT (UK)
Arthur Spooner
Christening age 0
born 16 Dec 1886
Christened 9 Mar 1887
At Longton, Staffordshire, England
Father - Richard Henry Spooner
Mother - Harriet Spooner
Title: Re: 1891 census look up for stoke on Trent
Post by: carol46 on Wednesday 14 March 18 09:11 GMT (UK)
Yes sorry i made a mistake with date.My brain isnt working yet.
Title: Re: 1891 census look up for stoke on Trent
Post by: Dundee on Wednesday 14 March 18 11:15 GMT (UK)
I got the correct birth date from the later censuses.
 RG12 piece 2181 folio 89 page 21
Stoke upon Trent, Staffordshire,
Richard H Spooner 34 crate maker
Harriet Spooner    32
Florance B Spooner 11
Richard H Spooner 9
George E Spooner 7
Arthur Spooner    4 Longton staffordshire
Ada Spooner 2

All born Longton Staffordshire

This Alfred Arthur is still single and living with family in 1911.

https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW7D-76N

Debra  :)
Title: Re: 1891 census look up for stoke on Trent
Post by: BumbleB on Wednesday 14 March 18 11:33 GMT (UK)
Arthur Spooner who marries Elsie Roberts in 1910 is Arthur Austin Spooner.  It was a civil marriage ceremony so the certificate would have to be purchased.

Title: Re: 1891 census look up for stoke on Trent
Post by: BumbleB on Wednesday 14 March 18 11:49 GMT (UK)
1939 Register gives a birth date in 1888, with Elsie born 1890.
Title: Re: 1891 census look up for stoke on Trent
Post by: BumbleB on Wednesday 14 March 18 11:54 GMT (UK)
And this is the 1911 entry for Arthur and Elsie

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW7D-K8X
Title: Re: 1891 census look up for stoke on Trent
Post by: trish1120 on Wednesday 14 March 18 12:11 GMT (UK)
1891 Census has a Arthur Austin Spooner born c 1889   Staffordshire living in Trentham with Parents JOHN/EMMA and Siblings.
Title: Re: 1891 census look up for stoke on Trent
Post by: trish1120 on Wednesday 14 March 18 12:21 GMT (UK)
That entry is on Familysearch.Org, havent found it on Anc yet.

1901 we have;
John Spooner, 44, Head, Mar, Bricklayer, born Longton
Emma Spooner, 48, Wife, Mar
Arthur Austin, 11, Stepson, born Dresden
Albert Austin, 9, Stepson

Oooh yes I have now ::)

John Lpoown, 35, Head, Mar, Bricklayer, born Longton
Emma Lpoown, 38, Wife, Mar, born Smallthorne
Eliza Lpoown, 13, Daug, General Servant, born Fenton
Elizabeth Lpoown, 6, Daug, born Penkhull
Arthur Auski Lpoown, 2, Son, born Dresden*****


Title: Re: 1891 census look up for stoke on Trent
Post by: trish1120 on Wednesday 14 March 18 12:43 GMT (UK)
Appears to be Emma and Daug Eliza in 1881 Census;
Charles Coxon, 50, Head, Widr, Waggoner, born Marston
Sarah Coxon, 16, Daug
Elizabeth Coxon, 10, Daug
Emma Austin, 28, Boarder, Mar, Potters Handler, born Hanley
Eliza Austin, 3, Boarder, born Fenton
Title: Re: 1891 census look up for stoke on Trent
Post by: trish1120 on Wednesday 14 March 18 12:49 GMT (UK)
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Title: Re: 1891 census look up for stoke on Trent
Post by: BumbleB on Wednesday 14 March 18 12:53 GMT (UK)
Well done Trish - Dresden is the Ecclesiastical District, of which Longton is a part  :)

John Spooner married Emma Blundert in 1881.  ADDED:  Not sure now, from what you've found, Trish.  I can't see a marriage between Spooner and Austin.



Title: Re: 1891 census look up for stoke on Trent
Post by: trish1120 on Wednesday 14 March 18 13:04 GMT (UK)
Maybe they never married as Emma was already married to a Mr Austin?

Anyhow back tomorrow off to bed for me :)
Title: Re: 1891 census look up for stoke on Trent
Post by: Dundee on Wednesday 14 March 18 13:37 GMT (UK)
John Spooner married Emma Blundert in 1881. 

That is a different couple.  I think Emma may have been Emma MIL(L)WARD married to Thomas AUSTIN in 1872.  Eliza registered Stoke on Trent, Albert and Arthur registered Stone.  I don't see how Albert is not John SPOONER's son when he and Emma were together in 1891.  Perhaps they met just before the census and Emma was already pregnant.  Albert's birth was registered in the Dec quarter.

Debra  :)
Title: Re: 1891 census look up for stoke on Trent
Post by: Ladyhawk on Wednesday 14 March 18 14:19 GMT (UK)

Maybe they never married as Emma was already married to a Mr Austin?


I think Emma may have been Emma MIL(L)WARD married to Thomas AUSTIN in 1872. 

Eliza registered Stoke on Trent, Albert and Arthur registered Stone. 

I don't see how Albert is not John SPOONER's son when he and Emma were together in 1891. 


The births above Eliza 1877, Arthur 1888, Albert 1891 GRO indexes mmn Milward/Millward

Is this a possibility for the marriage John to Emily  :-\
Transcription only from England & Wales Marriages, 1538-1988

30 Dec 1895    Oulton (near Stone), Staffordshire
John Plant SPOONER age 37 father John
Emily AUSTIN age 42 father Richard MILLWOOD
Title: Re: 1891 census look up for stoke on Trent
Post by: BumbleB on Wednesday 14 March 18 15:07 GMT (UK)
The marriage entry image, available via FindMyPast, confirms the information.  JPS is a bachelor Bricklayer, aged 37, father John also a Bricklayer.  Emily Austin (x) is 42 and a widow.  Father is Richard Millwood, a Potter.
Title: Re: 1891 census look up for stoke on Trent
Post by: carol46 on Wednesday 14 March 18 15:14 GMT (UK)
Bit confused but keep reading it will sink in. In time. Thanks
Title: Re: 1891 census look up for stoke on Trent
Post by: BumbleB on Wednesday 14 March 18 15:46 GMT (UK)
Intriguing or what?  :-\

John Plant Spooner marries Emily Austin (nee Millward) 30 December 1895.

There is another marriage for John Plant Spooner in 1904 (StaffordshireBMD) and the bride's name is Eliza Austin - it's a civil marriage so the certificate would have to be purchased.

Title: Re: 1891 census look up for stoke on Trent
Post by: carol46 on Wednesday 14 March 18 15:51 GMT (UK)
So he may of married the sister is that right?
Title: Re: 1891 census look up for stoke on Trent
Post by: BumbleB on Wednesday 14 March 18 15:55 GMT (UK)
I think it is perhaps coincidence.  1911 shows a John Spooner with wife Eliza, married for 7 years.  Occupation fits but age doesn't as 1895 marriage is aged 37, and this one 1911 aged 40.

Sorry for the confusion.  :'(

Title: Re: 1891 census look up for stoke on Trent
Post by: Ladyhawk on Wednesday 14 March 18 20:28 GMT (UK)
Hi could someone do a census look up for a

Arthur Spooner born Stoke On Trent in 1896 97.

He was married to a Elsie Roberts in 1910

Bit confused but keep reading it will sink in. In time. Thanks

Hi carol46 - from the info. posted your Arthur Spooner who married Elsie Roberts in 1910
his name is Arthur Austin Spooner

from BumbleB
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1910 Civil Marriage (Stoke)
SPOONER   Arthur Austin   
ROBERTS   Elsie   

trish110 found Arthur on these censuses

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Appears to be Emma and Daug Eliza in
1881 Census;

Charles Coxon, 50, Head, Widr, Waggoner, born Marston
Sarah Coxon, 16, Daug
Elizabeth Coxon, 10, Daug
Emma Austin, 28, Boarder, Mar, Potters Handler, born Hanley
Eliza Austin, 3, Boarder, born Fenton

1891c
John Lpoown, 35, Head, Mar, Bricklayer, born Longton
Emma Lpoown, 38, Wife, Mar, born Smallthorne
Eliza Lpoown, 13, Daug, General Servant, born Fenton
Elizabeth Lpoown, 6, Daug, born Penkhull
Arthur Auski Lpoown, 2, Son, born Dresden*****

1901 we have;
John Spooner, 44, Head, Mar, Bricklayer, born Longton
Emma Spooner, 48, Wife, Mar
Arthur Austin, 11, Stepson, born Dresden
Albert Austin, 9, Stepson

BumbleB added this census

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1911 entry for Arthur and Elsie
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW7D-K8X

Dundee added this
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I think Emma may have been Emma MIL(L)WARD married to Thomas AUSTIN in 1872. 

Eliza registered Stoke on Trent, Albert and Arthur registered Stone.

I don't see how Albert is not John SPOONER's son when he and Emma were together in 1891. 

Perhaps they met just before the census and Emma was already pregnant. 

Albert's birth was registered in the Dec quarter

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- Ladyhawk

GRO indexes give these AUSTIN birth entries mmn Milward/Millward
Eliza 1877, Arthur 1888, Albert 1891

Is this a possibility for the marriage of John Spooner to Emily   :-\ :-\

Transcription only from England & Wales Marriages, 1538-1988

30 Dec 1895    Oulton (near Stone), Staffordshire
John Plant SPOONER age 37 father John
Emily AUSTIN age 42 father Richard MILLWOOD

BumbleB found the details of their marriage

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JPS is a bachelor Bricklayer, aged 37, father John also a Bricklayer.
Emily Austin (x) is 42 and a widow.
Father is Richard Millwood, a Potter.


Title: Re: 1891 census look up for stoke on Trent
Post by: carol46 on Wednesday 14 March 18 20:38 GMT (UK)
What is that strange surname Lpoown? Sounds polish.wheres that come from? Thanks
Title: Re: 1891 census look up for stoke on Trent
Post by: BumbleB on Thursday 15 March 18 07:44 GMT (UK)
What is that strange surname Lpoown? Sounds polish.wheres that come from? Thanks

Not a surname at all (as far as I know) - this was a mistranscription of the surname Spooner  ::)
Title: Re: 1891 census look up for stoke on Trent
Post by: trish1120 on Thursday 15 March 18 11:29 GMT (UK)
Thanks all for helping explain and adding to what I had found.

The confusion is that there are 2 John Spooner born c 1855+/- 3 years in Staffs both married to a Emma.

And yes the name is Spooner on image of the Census I posted and badly mistranscribed on Anc as  Lpoown

Anyhow thanks to Ladyhawke/BumbleB/Dundee for the extra info on sorting out the info on Arthur Austin Spooner :)
Title: Re: 1891 census look up for stoke on Trent
Post by: trish1120 on Thursday 15 March 18 12:24 GMT (UK)
As posted by BumbleB;

The marriage entry image, available via FindMyPast, confirms the information.  JPS is a bachelor Bricklayer** aged 37, father John also a Bricklayer***.  Emily Austin (x) is 42 and a widow.  Father is Richard Millwood, a Potter.

This may be John in 1871 Census, age a little out though.

1871 Census
Hardinge St,
Fenton, Staffordshire
John Spooner, 56, Head, Widr, Bricklayer, born Caverswall
John Spooner, 11, Son, Scholar, born Longton

Cant find them 1861