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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Topic started by: reynolds_1979 on Wednesday 14 March 18 13:51 GMT (UK)
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Hi
I am trying to trace beyond my 2 x g grandfather James Cripps. According to his attestation papers when he joined the 4th Hussars in 1861 and the subsequent UK census returns for 1881/91/01 he was born about 1843 in Carlow to James Cripps and unknown mother.
He married Sarah Jane O'Toole in 1872 in Meerut, India. She was born in 1856 in Dublin to Felix O'Toole and Margaret Kelly.
He died in 1905 in Battersea, London. She died in 1934 in London.
I have searched the parish records for Carlow but to no avail (some of them are in a pretty bad state). I haven't even been able to find any records for siblings that might have helped. I don't have a great deal of experience of researching Irish genealogy and as I understand it, it can be quite a different prospect to the British side of things.
Any help or ideas about either James or Sarah would be extremely appreciated.
Thanks
Philippe
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Yes, we give a lot away for free!
There is a James/Bridgit in Carlow but they are Church of Ireland, no son James!
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Griffith's Valuation has two results for James Cripps in Carlow, (print date 1852) likely both are the same person, in the townland of Rathnapish.
http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=nameSearch
Rathnapish is in the Civil Parish and RC Parish of Carlow, which you have already searched.
Are you sure they were RC?
Might be worth trying the name on Irish Genealogy civil and church (COI for Carlow) records.
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Might be worth trying the name on Irish Genealogy civil and church (COI for Carlow) records.
Have done, none with a son James.
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Thanks for the link to the Griffith Valuations. Sarah Jane O'Toole was baptised at St James' Catholic Church in Dublin, so assumed (rightly or wrongly), that she would have most likely married a catholic, even though she was in India.
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You will be relying on Church records as Parent's Marriage and his Birth are before start of Civil Registration.
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https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/civil-records/help/what-civil-records-are-on-line
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There is a George Cripps who married Theresa Moore in 1860 in Carlow
From FamilySearch
His Father is James Cripps
Name George Cripps
Spouse's Name Theresa Moore
Event Date 23 Jul 1860
Event Place Carlow, Car, Ire
Father's Name James Cripps
Spouse's Father's Name John Moore
From Genealogy Ireland
GEORGE CRIPPS
Date of Event
1860
Group Registration ID
N/R
SR District/Reg Area
Carlow
Returns Year
1860
Returns Quarter
1
Returns Volume No
3
Returns Page No
203
Name
THERESA MOORE
Date of Event
1860
Group Registration ID
N/R
SR District/Reg Area
Carlow
Returns Year
1860
Returns Quarter
1
Returns Volume No
3
Returns Page No
203
Its a civil record from 1860 - which suggests its not catholic
They have a number of children - Hannah, Thomas, James, William, Robert
George was a Saddler and seems to live in Tullow Street, Carlow, as per the childrens births certs
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1875/03089/2132705.pdf
His wife Theresa Died in 1883, aged 42.
Not sure if these are connected but they are the only family of Cripps I can find in Carlow!
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There is a tree on ancestry that shows Georges son James marrying a Martha O'Connor and living in Dublin -
I am found them on the 1911 census for you
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000070206/
The only other Cripps born in carlow in either census is George Cripps (Aged 49 in 1911)
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Kildare/Carnalway/Carnalway/543082/
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That marriage is in the Carlow COI records on Irish Genealogy . Father James is a hospital attendant.
The Cripps Moore marriage 1860
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Details of George and Theresa Moores Marriage
Husband
Wife
Name
GEORGE CRIPPS THERESA MOORE
Address
CARLOW CARLOW
Occupation
SOULDIER SERVANT
Father
JAMES CRIPPS JOHN MOORE
Mother
N/R N/R
Further details in the record
Husband Age
25
Husband Marital Status
B
Wife Age
22
Wife Marital Status
S
Husband's Father's Occupation
HOSPITAL ATTENDANT
Wife's Father's Occupation
SERVANT
Witness 1
JOHN WOODHOUSE (WITNESS FOR HUSBAND)
Witness 3
JOHN MOORE (WITNESS FOR WIFE)
There are a number of CoI records for Carlow for Cripps on genealogy Ireland
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There are a number of Cripps children born from 1845 to 1856 and baptized in Carlow CoI
Mary Ann (1845) to Francis Cuff (1856).
Father James Cripps
Mother Bridget Cripps
Father shows as being a hospital porter/stewerd or similar on most of the baptism records
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Cripps COI Carlow
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lqx/
finally a link worked, I'm having so much trouble with all things computer today