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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Gloucestershire => Topic started by: HughC on Wednesday 14 March 18 15:34 GMT (UK)
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My sister reports going for a long walk in Miserden Park while visiting a friend in Gloucester.
She wasn't aware that the estate belonged to our Sandys ancestors for a couple of centuries
-- I read somewhere that Sir Edwin Bayntun-Sandys spent 20 years in prison for debt, which may explain why we inherited nothing!
I feel sure there are Sandys memorials in the church there, but was a bit surprised to find nothing at Findagrave, Billion Graves, or the Gravestone Photos web site.
Does anyone live close enough to pop in (assuming the church is not locked) and photograph any Sandys monuments or memorial plaques for me? Or have images been posted somewhere?
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Miserden church is a lovely church in a beautiful setting.I know it well because we walked the churchyard many times finding ancestors of my late husband.The church records are good and more or less complete.Years ago my late husband was given permission to photograph the records which he put on a disc and either gave to the church or to the record office.The churchyard map from what I can remember is good....perhaps get in touch with the church warden or the vicar direct.
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If you Google:
Sandys Miserden Memorials Church (various websites inc)
Under the Heading:
Church of St Andrew, Miserden, Gloucestershire (***)
it does mention
.... fine set of monuments, central chest with effigies in Derbyshire alabaster, possibly carved by Edward Marshall, depict
Sir William Sandys of Misarden Park, died 1640, and wife Margaret Calpeper, died 1644
also
..... wall monuments in chapel include one with a relief of weeping angel inscribed to Reverend Sir Edwin Winsor Bantam Sandys - died 1838
etc
**** also underneath the heading,
Tewkesbury Abbey - Church Monuments Society
http://www.churchmonumentssociety.org/Gloucester.html
you will see a photograph the 1838 memorial to Sir Edwin Windsor Haynten SANDYS (under Miserden) + other family memorials.
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Thanks, Capetown.
Any more variants on the name Bayntun??
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Back to Google again: i.e.
Sir William BAYNTUN Sandys BART 1838
There is an article on Google Books
Edwin Windsor, Rector of Winstone, Glos, born 31 October 1801 - knighted Windsor 10 April 1825
married etc etc
He assumed the surname of BAYNTUN in compliance with the Will of William BAYNTUN Esq of Gray's Inn
Edwin was the eldest son of Miles SANDYS esq of West Lavington. Devon
etc etc
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Checking with the National Archives
Google: A2a
and search for William BAYNTUN etc
The Will of William BAYNTUN - of Grays Inn 1785
etc : Which is on Ancestry (Canterbury Wills) - and having a quick read, mentions Miserden Park and Windsor SANDYS etc etc
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If you look at British History of Line for Winstone -
Sir Edwin WINDSOR BAYNTUN SANDYS - son of the Lord of the Manor was appointed Rector, but in 1831-2 and 1836 the fruits of his living were sequestered because of his indebtness.
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Don't subscribe to : British Newspapers on line, (can see brief descriptions) but lots of articles about this above Gentleman - who obviously led and 'interesting' life.
Bell's Weekly Messenger - 4 August 1822
The King o Sir Edwin Bayntun Sandy BART. This was indictment against the defendent for fradulently obtaining from one Frederick Ferdinand Armstead STEELE, attorney at law, a bill of exchange for 50/- under the false pretence of getting it discounted.]
(Probate on Ancestry: 27 September 1876, Sir Frederick Ferdinand Armstead; Bart, STEELE)
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London Courier & Evening Gazette -
Monday 20 August 1832
To be sold, pursuant to Decree of the High Court of Chancery made in the cause of DUFFIELD v SANDY
Wednesday 10 October 1832, at Twelve o'clock - the very valuable Freehold Estate of Sir Edwin Bayntun Sandy's Bart - situate, Miserden, Brimpsfield, Cranham.
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Thanks, Capetown. I must follow up some of those references.
There may be confusion between father and son. Edwin Windsor Bayntun-Sandys (1801-1838) was knighted, and would presumably have become the second baronet had he not predeceased his father, Edwin Bayntun-Sandys (1774-1848) who was thus the last baronet as well as the first.
The only other son had died in infancy.
It's not recorded how much the baronetcy had cost; it sounds as though that was the cause of the debts. He had inherited both Miserden Park and Chadlington Hall near Chipping Norton, the rents from either of which should have been enough to live on.
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Wee Hugh, I know your post is over three years old, but I just stumbled across it while googling the Sandy's family. I am going through Parish registers for Miserden and the name Bayntun Sundys/Sandys comes up a lot. I found a burial entry for a Sarah Harriet, aged 14. She apparently died in Montreal, France (yes, it's a place in the Occitanie area of southern France) on 6 June 1832 and on 3 November 1832 was "buried in the family vault". Maybe this might explain why there are no headstones in the cemetery?
Also there is an entry for Dame Mary Ann Turner Sandys, buried 18 Cambridge St, (I can't read the word, but it starts with P) and then looks like London S.W., 16 January 1879.
There are quite a few members of this family in the Parish register, including Sir Edwin Winston, buried of Winstone, buried 30 Dec 1838, and the link is here. I realise you might have seen his burial, but thought all the other entries and reference to the vault might interest you.
https://www.ancestry.com.au/imageviewer/collections/5158/images/41511_633870_3975-00013?treeid=116740530&personid=102263396773&hintid=1032729959879&usePUB=true&_phsrc=sSk33&_phstart=default&usePUBJs=true&_ga=2.120344462.76233164.1617282424-1822737456.1613624189&pId=2386738
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Hi wee Hugh - again I can see this is quite an old thread and I don't know if you are still looking at it but.....
I am temporarily living in West Alvington, just outside Kingsbridge in the South Hams area of Devon and I often have a prowl around the West Alvington church graveyard to look at the gravestones - they have some fascinating and very old ones. There is a tomb which caught my eye - Barbara Bayntun Sandys Reed, the wife of the Rev. Edward Reed and the third daughter of Sir Edwin Bayntun Sandys Reed, Bart of Miserden Park, Gloucestershire. Also in the tomb are two of Barbara and the Rev. Edward's very young daughters - Margaret C. Sandys Reed died 1837 aged 9 months and her sister Aubrey Rosalie Sandys Reed who died in 1845 aged only 6 months. These inscriptions really remind us how high the child mortality rate was!
Anyway, I hope you find this of interest. The tomb inscription is in fairly good condition but one side of the tomb structure has caved in.
All the best.
Descendant of Murby
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Thanks for that, Snowballz. I somehow missed your post last year; I hope you're finding RootsChat helpful.
Sir Edwin Windsor Bayntun-Sandys was the only surviving brother of my ancestress, and died before his father so that the baronet title became extinct. He was rector of Winstone near Cirencester.
Mary Ann, née Turner, was his wife. Cambridge Street is in Belgravia; that's where she died, but I assume was buried at Miserden if she's in the parish register.
Sarah Harriet was a sister, baptized in 1817 as (I think) Harriet Sarah; I knew she'd died before 1837, but didn't know when or where.
That's exciting news, Descendant of Murby. Would you be prepared to photograph the Sandys Reed stone or stones, if possible so that the inscriptions show up clearly? I don't think one can attach images to a personal message, but if you let me know that you have a photo or photos I can tell you my eMail address.
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Hi yes, happy to do that. If you send me your email I'll take some photos and attach them.
Saira