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Hi, I'm hoping to get some help to maybe solve another major family mystery for me.
My Grandfather Trevor Henry Thomas Jenkins (1934- died 1986 in Ontario, Canada) had a brother named David Austin Jenkins (1927-1985 I think) who received an OBE at some point in his life and a sister named Ann Margaret Jenkins(Born 1931) who married Terence Bateman(Born 1926) and they had a son, Mark Bateman.
My Great Grandparents were William Austin Jenkins, who was a miner near Kent I think, and his wife was Margaret Mildred Thomas (1901-1966). Margaret and William were married in Bridgend, Glamorgan and I believe Margaret was born there. I also believe William had two sisters, Stella and Phyllis Jenkins.
This unfortunately is all of the information I know regarding this entire part of my history.
I'm curious to find any information about William and Margaret and to be quite honest anything else anyone may be able to find regarding David receiving an OBE.
Thank you in advance for all of your help and I look forward to your replies!
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There is a David Austin Jenkins receiving an MBE in 1973.
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/46026/page/8059/data.pdf
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There are 2 possible births for William Austin...
Jenkins, William Austin .1897 Bridgend 11a 810
Jenkins, William Austin.1901 Bridgend 11a 859
Marriage...
Jenkins,William A . Thomas, Margaret M. 1927 Bridgend 11a 1805
Margaret's birth...
THOMAS, MARGARET MILDRED mmn THOMAS
GRO Reference: 1901 S Quarter in BRIDGEND Volume 11A Page 903
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Hi,
There is this snippet on google books,(scroll down) frustratingly only a snippet, the date of birth tallies with info on death and in Kent in 1939.
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=david+austin+jenkins+mbe&source=lnms&tbm=bks&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiqzev6rfXZAhWrAsAKHUBAAm0Q_AUIECgB&biw=1093&bih=489&dpr=1.25
Cathy
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Hi
David's diplomatic life is shown in The Gazette
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lrs/
Where the MBE is given in 1966
In 1973 he moves to another location
M
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Back again
Two possible death certs too
Dec 1948
Jenkins, William A Age 48 Aylesbury Vol 6a p292
Dec 1949
Jenkins, William A Age 53 North Bucks.Vol 6a p391
It's a tough call which one but they both tie in with the birth certs and Margarets death certificate record.
M
Edit inclined to go with the first!
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Probate 2 October 1966, Oxford, granted to an A M B, a married woman
Margaret Mildred Jenkins of 34 Old Stoke Road, Aylesbury
(Initials only given as the person may still be alive. Probably their daughter who married Aylesbury in 1952)
No probate so far for W A.
Gadget
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My Great Grandparents were
William Austin Jenkins, who was a miner near Kent I think, and his wife was
Margaret Mildred Thomas (1901-1966).
Margaret and William were married in Bridgend, Glamorgan and I believe Margaret was born there.
I also believe William had two sisters, Stella and Phyllis Jenkins.
This unfortunately is all of the information I know regarding this entire part of my history.
I'm curious to find any information about William and Margaret
Name William Austin Jenkins & Margaret Mildred Jenkins
address 212 Eversley Avenue
Residence Year: 1939
Residence Place: Dartford, Kent, England
Description: Dartford Constituency: Register of Electors
You can search the 1939 register for free using address
preview shows
William’s yob 1900, Margaret’s 1901
There are 2 possible births for William Austin...
Jenkins, William Austin .1897 Bridgend 11a 810
Jenkins, William Austin.1901 Bridgend 11a 859
Marriage...
Jenkins,William A . Thomas, Margaret M. 1927 Bridgend 11a 1805
Margaret's birth...
THOMAS, MARGARET MILDRED mmn THOMAS
GRO Reference: 1901 S Quarter in BRIDGEND Volume 11A Page 903
GRO index 1901 birth entry for William Austin JENKINS mmn JAMES
For you to bear in mind as we don't know William Austin Jenkins' father's name
There's this marriage entry on FreeBMD
Mar 1900 Bridgend 11a 988 - names on same page
James Margaret
Jenkins John
National School Admission Registers & Log-books 1870-1914
Wm Austen Jenkins, last school attended Bridgend
Birth date 20 Dec 1900
Event year 1906
School name Maesteg British Infants School
Parent name(s) John Jenkins, 18 Harvey Street
Book type Admissions
Archive reference EM44/26
Willie Austyn Jenkins
Birth date 20 Dec 1900
Event year 1909
School name Plasnewydd Maesteg School (boys)
Parent name(s) John Jenkins, 19 Castle Street Maesteg
Book type Admissions
Archive reference EM44/11
British Royal Air Force, Airmen's service records 1912-1939
William Austin Jenkins
Birth date 20 Dec 1900, Pontycymmer Glamorgan Relig. Congregationalist
Occupation Grocers Assistant
Attestation date 03 Sep 1918
Attestation age 17
Service number 291292
Archive reference AIR 79/2539
Next of kin Father John Jenkins, 79 Coity Rd., Bridgend Glamorgan
1911 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWXD-7Z3
William Austin Jenkins age 10 Pontycymmer & family living in Coity
1901 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X915-CMS
John, Margaret & William Jenkins
Obtaining William’s 1927 marriage cert. would confirm his father’s name and occupation
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Margaret's birth...
THOMAS, MARGARET MILDRED mmn THOMAS
GRO Reference: 1901 S Quarter in BRIDGEND Volume 11A Page 903
I wonder if this is her baptism record
Margaret Mildred Thomas bpt. 11 Sep 1901 St Mary’s Nolton, Coity Bridgend
Father Harry, occ Smith Mother Annie, abode Newton Bridgend
Record set Glamorganshire Baptisms
as mentioned previously her m/c to William would confirm her father's name & occupation
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I also believe William had two sisters, Stella and Phyllis Jenkins.
Could it be that they were Margaret's sisters?
Phyllis May Thomas bpt 9 Oct 1895 Place Nolton
Father Harry occ smith
Mother Annie, abode 3 Newtown Bridgend
Stella Thomas Bapt. 3 Nov 1909 Place Coity
Father Harry occ mechanic
Mother Annie, abode Cemetry Road
Record set Glamorganshire Baptisms
THOMAS, PHYLLIS MAY mmn THOMAS
1895 D Quarter in BRIDGEND Volume 11A Page 761
THOMAS, STELLA mmn THOMAS
1909 D Quarter in BRIDGEND Volume 11A Page 989
1911c https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWXD-7S6
Phyllis & Stella Thomas with parents Harry & Annie plus elder brother George & m-i-l
but no Margaret :-\
1901 RG13; Piece: 5050; Folio: 6; Page: 4
5 Cemetery Road, Bridgend
Harry Thomas 33, Blacksmith
Annie Thomas 35
Edgar Thomas 10
Stanley Thomas 8
Phyllis Thomas 5
Pob all dittoed as Bridgend Glamorgan
George Stanley Thomas Baptism 12 Oct 1892 Place St Mary’s Nolton
Father Henry occ blacksmith
Mother Annie abode Clifton Terrace Bridgend
THOMAS, GEORGE STANLEY mmn THOMAS
1892 S Quarter in BRIDGEND Volume 11A Page 754
1891 9 Clifton Terrace Bridgend
Harry Thomas 24 Bridgend, engine smith
Annie Thomas 25 Caerphilly
Edgar Thomas 4/12 Bridgend
Edgar Thomas Bapt 3 Jun 1891 St Mary's Norton
Father Henry, occ blacksmith
Mother Annie abode Oldfellow’s Row Bridgend
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David Austin Jenkins (1927-1985 I think)
David Austin Jenkins Death Age: 57 Birth Date: 22 Aug 1927
Jan 1985 Greenwich Volume: 12 Page: 1061
Transciption only on Anc*y
London, England, Death Notices from The Times, 1982-1988
David Austin MBE Jenkins Death Date: 17 Jan 1985
Published Date: 19 Jan 1985
David Austin Jenkins Death Date: 17 Jan 1985
Burial or Cremation Date: 25 Jan 1985 Greenwich, London, England
Register Type: Cremation
You can purchase the cremation register record and burial map location - click link
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lrx/
another entry here from London Gazette (5th Dec 1978) for David Austin Jenkins
https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/47811/page/4500/data.pdf
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Hi, I think you'll find that this is one William Austin Jenkins & Parents in the 1901 census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X915-H2M
A possible marriage for John Jenkins & Margaret James in Mar Qtr of 1900 in the Bridgend Reg Dist.
Ray
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Hi, I think you'll find that this is one William Austin Jenkins & Parents in the 1901 census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X915-H2M
A possible marriage for John Jenkins & Margaret James in Mar Qtr of 1900 in the Bridgend Reg Dist.
Ray
Details of the above have already been posted (see reply 7) :)
If Harry & Annie Thomas are the correct parents for Margaret Matilda Thomas born c1901
and she’s not with them on the latest census (see reply 8)
here’s a possibility for Margaret for you to look into - no middle name given
Margaret Thomas age 9 born Bridgend a patient – 1911 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWXD-DZM
For info. 2 hospitals built on Cefn-Hirgoed Common in 1906 which were isolation hospitals
Cefn Hirgoed Hospital – (1906–1990)
Heddfan (demolished in 1980)
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The Times, Jan 19 1985
JENKINS, on 17th January 1985, peacefully at home after a long illness, David Austin Jenkins, MBE, formerly HM consul in Algiers and Cape Town. Funeral on Friday 25th January at Eltham Crematorium at 10.45 a.m.
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Two possible death certs too
Dec 1948 Jenkins, William A Age 48 Aylesbury Vol 6a p292
Dec 1949 Jenkins, William A Age 53 North Bucks.Vol 6a p391
It's a tough call which one but they both tie in with the birth certs and Margarets death certificate record.
M
Edit inclined to go with the first!
I think you could be right about the first one being William's death entry
Newspaper Bucks Herald 21 March 1952 (there's a picture of the couple)
The marriage of
Mr David Austin Jenkins eldest son of Mrs. M M Jenkins and the late Mr W A Jenkins
of 34 Old Stoke Road Aylesbury, his sister was a bridesmaid and her husband the best man
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Once the birth certificate was confirmed then the hunch would be too!
M
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I believe the John Jenkins referenced (1911 living at 79 Coity Road, Bridgend) is my great-great grandfather. Born around 1870, appearing in Wales census in 1871, 1881. Coming to USA sometime between 1881 and returning to Wales before 1900. Married with wife and kids in USA. Returned to Wales; second wife and kids in Wales. William Austin Jenkins would be his first from his second wife (Margaret) Would love to prove my hunch and help. Jim jim.smith@bearcreekschool.com
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Hi Jim,
That's really incredible to hear. My father often told me that he had relatives in the US.
What sort of information have you gathered so far?
Can you tell me the name of the woman he married and in which state?
I'm sorry to bombard you with questions I'm just very excited.
Thanks so much in advance!
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I believe my John Jenkins was born in Kenfig Hills around 1870-1874 and came to the United States in the mid 1800s. He would have married Patience Bubble and had 3-5 children here in the USA. Walter Jenkins, William Jenkins, Nelena Jenkins, and George Jenkins. I believe he returned to Wales between 1897 and 1900. I believe John's parents were William Jenkins and Margaret Morgans. I know he had a brother Thomas, a brother Evan, and a sister Mary, among others. I also believe he had an Uncle Rees Jenkins and an Uncle Evan Jenkins. I believe Rees was a famous miner who lived in South Wales.
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I believe the John Jenkins referenced (1911 living at 79 Coity Road, Bridgend) is my great-great grandfather.
Born around 1870, appearing in Wales census in 1871, 1881.
Coming to USA sometime between 1881 and returning to Wales before 1900.
Married with wife and kids in USA. Returned to Wales; second wife and kids in Wales.
William Austin Jenkins would be his first from his second wife (Margaret)
Would love to prove my hunch and help.
I believe my John Jenkins was born in Kenfig Hills around 1870-1874 and came to the United States in the mid 1800s.
He would have married Patience Bubble and had 3-5 children here in the USA.
Walter Jenkins, William Jenkins, Nelena Jenkins, and George Jenkins.
I believe he returned to Wales between 1897 and 1900.
I believe John's parents were William Jenkins and Margaret Morgans.
I know he had a brother Thomas, a brother Evan, and a sister Mary, among others.
I also believe he had an Uncle Rees Jenkins and an Uncle Evan Jenkins. I believe Rees was a famous miner who lived in South Wales.
Have you found John Jenkins on a passenger list going to US and returning to UK?
When did he marry Patience Bubble and do you have John & Patience m/c confirming his father’s name and their occupations?
John & Patience nee Bubble son William Jenkins born 16 Jan 1891 Wyoming Luz, Pennsylvania
1900 US census Patience Jenkins is noted as widowed she is with her three children
William, Hellena & Walter
1910 US census Patience has remarried John E Williams, her three children
William, Nellena & Walter are with them plus dau Myrtle
Do you have John Jenkins on any UK censuses with his parents & siblings Thomas, Evan & Mary?
If so, can you give the reference numbers please
John Jenkins' occupation on 1901/1911 UK census is Assurance Agent/Insurance Assist Supt.
I haven't been able to find him on a passenger list ???
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I have John Jenkins arriving in the Port of New York on the ship Alsatia on December 16, 1881 at the age of 9. He arrived with Mary, his mother age 40; David his brother Age 18, Mary his sister, Age 14, Edward his brother Age 11, Evan his brother Age 4, Thomas his brother Age 5, and Elizabeth, his sister, who was an infant. His father William Jenkins did not travel with the family and did not appear on the ship manifest. I have proven that this family on the manifest is definitely my ancestors.
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I have found my Jenkins Family in the 1881 Census for Wales. It appears the census was taken earlier in the year, before they left for the USA. Civil Parish Llantrisant, Rural Sanitary District of Pontypridd. Looks like #141 appears on the top, Page 37. No. 153 Gilfach Goch. William Jenkins, head, Age 43, Coal Miner born in Neath. Margaret Jenkins, Wife, Age 37, born in Kenfig Hill. Son David Jenkins Age 19, Coal Miner, born in Kenfig Hill, Daughter Mary Jenkins Age 16, Servant, born in Kenfig Hill, Son Edward, Age 15, Coal Miner, born in Kenfig Hill; Son John Jenkins, Age 13, Coal Miner, born in Kenfig Hill; Son Evan Jenkins, Age 9, Scholar born in Kenfig Hill; Thomas Jenkins, Age 8, Scholar born in Kenfig Hill; Elizabeth Jenkins, Age 2 Weeks, born in Gilfach Goch.
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The same line - William, Margaret, David, Mary, Evan and John - also appear in the 1871 Census for Wales. Looks like Civil Parish Pyble. Ecclesastical District of Landuff? Page 15
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It appears John's father arrived in the USA a few months earlier than the rest of the family in 1881.
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I can find no record of John Returning to Wales. I have been able to narrow down his departure based on when his children here in the USA were born and when his wife Patience was found living without John. There is no documented marriage license for John and Patience.
Patience and John had at least four children: George, William, Walter and Nelena. The United States Census for 1900 infers that Patience Jenkins had five children, three of whom are living (William, Walter and Nelena). It appears a fifth child was born and died prior to 1900.
Based upon information passed down by family members and based on information available, it appears John Jenkins returned to Wales sometime between 1897 and 1900. The obituary for his brother Evan W. Jenkins on July 19, 1901 indicates John Jenkins is a resident of Wales. Family lore has John remarrying upon returning to Wales and rearing additional children.
The United States Census for 1900 shows Patience Jenkins residing children William, Nelina and Walter Jenkins along with Holliday (Huldah) Walker and Bob Walker, her son, in Miners Mills, Luzerne County, Pennsylvania. It is believed Huldah Walker is Patience’s grandmother.
I do have detailed information on some of John's siblings if that is helpful.
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Thank you for the extra detail - I was able to find the passenger list with the extra info. you gave :)
address in 1881 Gilfach Coch Llantrisant
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2W9-WBC5
William Jenkins Head 43 Neath, Glamorganshire
Margaret Jenkins Wife 37 Kenfighill, Glamorganshire
David Jenkins Son 19 Kenfighill, Glamorganshire
Mary Jenkins Daughter 16 Kenfighill, Glamorganshire
Edward Jenkins Son 15 Kenfighill, Glamorganshire
John Jenkins Son 13 Kenfighill, Glamorganshire
Evan Jenkins Son 9 Kenfighill, Glamorganshires
Thomas Jenkins Son 8 Kenfighill, Glamorganshire
Elizabeth Jenkins Daughter 0 Gilfach Coch, Glamorganshire
Is this a possibility for your John Jenkins a boarder in Llantrisant and is noted as married
Piece: 5009 Folio: 71 Page 32
13 Library Road Llantrisant
John Lloyd 62
Margaret Lloyd 41
Harry Lloyd 22
Sarah Lloyd 13
John Lloyd 11
Liza Lloyd 6
Griffith Morgan 55
John Jenkins 31 Kenfig Hill occ coal hewer marital status ‘M’ (Language both Welsh/English)
Thomas Hurley 16
Henry Griffiths 15
Will take a look either later or tomorrow to see if I can find anything else
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On the 1911 Census John Jenkin states "married 11 years"
Marriage Registration
John Jenkins, Mar Qtr 1900, Bridgend, 11a 988 - on the same page Margaret James
Birth Registration
William Austin Jenkins, Mar Qtr 1901, Bridgend, 11a 859 - mother's maiden name James
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Marriage Registration
John Jenkins, Mar Qtr 1900, Bridgend, 11a 988 - on the same page Margaret James
Birth Registration
William Austin Jenkins, Mar Qtr 1901, Bridgend, 11a 859 - mother's maiden name James
Just to say the above information already posted at reply 7 but may have been missed as that was back in 2018 :)
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Thanks - I checked thru' for previous mention but didn't spot #7. ("Must try harder").
I've been checking welsh newspapers but nothing to date.