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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Topic started by: john+sue on Sunday 18 March 18 11:51 GMT (UK)
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Hi All Can anyone help I am looking for a marriage that took place in the Garrison Anglian Church' in Montreal in 1863 between Peter Hawthorn and Mary Ann ? can anyone help please. regards john+sue
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A warm welcome to rootschat :).
To save duplication of effort, where have you got your original information from? And what further information do you seek? Was Peter in the British Army? Do you have the couple on later censuses to show places & dates of birth?
Josey
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Welcome to RootsChat from me to
There is a Peter Hawthorn and Mary Ann Keoon - Montreal, Québec (Quebec), Canada - 1863 - anglican - Garrison Anglican Church (Montréal)
http://applications.banq.qc.ca/apex/f?p=113:11:0::NO::P11_CLE:9859
Sandra
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Yes he was a British soldier. info from ancestry. the marriage record states the surname of Mary Ann as Keoon but that might be transcribed wrong is there anyway of checking the original records. thanks in advance
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Sadly, there was no further information on that record
Sandra
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I have looked on findmypast at army marriages but it doesn't seem to have been entered by the chaplain [this is not uncommon].
Do you know what regiment he was in and/or his army record? Sometimes army records have date of marriage.
ADDED: did they have any children in England or Wales? If so you can check Mary Ann's maiden surname from GRO index; it's free but you need to register.
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/indexes_search.asp
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I found these births ???
HAWTHORN, EDGAR HERBERT MMN K'COON
GRO Reference: 1869 S Quarter in WESTMINSTER Volume 01A Page 372
HAWTHORN, ARTHUR EDGAR MMN K'COON
GRO Reference: 1865 D Quarter in ELHAM Volume 02A Page 820
HAWTHORN, JOSEPH AILWELL ... MMN maybe illegible
GRO Reference: 1871 S Quarter in CHELSEA Volume 01A Page 244
Edgar Thomas born 20 Jul baptised 8 Aug 1869 Royal Military Chapel Westminster son of Peter & Mary Ann. Arthur Edgar died
HAWTHORN, ARTHUR EDGAR 0
GRO Reference: 1866 S Quarter in WHITECHAPEL Volume 01C Page 461
also baptism Arthur Albert same place born 9 Jul baptised 4 Aug 1867 same parents father sgt in 2nd Batt Scots Guards [not on GRO index for MMN]; Joseph Atwell baptised 6 Apr 1871.
ADDED: Joseph died young too.
Deaths Jun 1873
Hawthorn Joseph Athwell 1 Whitechapel 1c 237
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Thanks everyone the maiden name is unknown owing to Mary Ann being a native Indian we think she was of the Blackfoot tribe or that is what mother told us. He was in the Scotts Guards.
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Then I expect that K'Coon was a phonetic interpretation of her name on the birth certificates.
ADDED: all censuses bar 1891 say born USA but 1891 RG12; Piece: 214; Folio: 86; Page: 8 says Utica.
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Doubt if Mary Ann was Blackfoot their territories were about 1,800 miles to the west. The Mohawk territory encompassed the lands around Montreal with other tribes formed the six nations.
Don
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The marriage took place 01 Jul 1863 at St. Thomas church, Montreal after publication of banns. On ancestry he is indexed as Hawthan and her last name as Kwoon. The marriage register showed she made her mark and her surname was recorded as K'coon.
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Well done cosmac.
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Thank you all very much for your input I need to digest it now will get back to you all in a little while regards john + sue
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Further to the marriage registry entry: Peter was a corporal in Her Majesty's 2nd Battalion, Scots Fusilier Guards.
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Thanks to all the people on this site' you have helped so much I now have a better picture of Peter and Mary. I have been in touch with St Thomas church in Montreal to get their marriage certificate. Hope it will help with her surname ect. I thank you all once again keep up the good work. kind regards John + Sue
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Peter's army record is online - do you have access to it?
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Peter and Mary Ann had a daughter while they were still in Montreal....
Charlotte Eliza Hawthorn
Born 12 Apr 1964
Baptized 17 May 1864
Father Peter Hawthorn Corporal of the Scotch Fusilier Guards
Mother Mary Ann McCoon
Garrison Church Montreal
Most of the writing is terrible but the McCoon is quite clear. I haven't been able to find anything to connect Mary Ann (as McCoon) yet but there are McCoons connected to Utica and Monreal in the online records. Most unfortunate that the marriage record doesn't give parents' names.
Also, probably due to the bad writing, I didn't find the baptism indexed; l found it going page by page through the 1864 Montreal Garrison film.
A possible death for Charlotte....
Charlotte Eliza Hawthorn Dec qtr 1864 Westminster 1a 286. Child's age is 0 on the GRO website (so presumably less than a year).
Images of Quebec parish records in the Drouin Collection are on line through the Ancestry website. You need a Canadian or World sub to access them. If you don't have a sub, you might check if your local public library subscribes to Ancestry Library Edition which would also give you access.
PB
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good find for the daughter.
ancestry has it indexed as Charlotte Ettoenthier. No one would have ever found it without knowing a first name or browsing like you did.
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I looked at a baptism for a McCoon. In census the family appears as McKone and McCone. Lots of phonetic license?
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Hi Josey-Cosmac -Polarbear and everyone else I cant thank you enough I have been searching for this info for about 14 years and you come up with it in days. I would like to ask you all' do you think the original marriage certificate would have the parents names on it' or would I be wasting my time and money sending for it. The thing that is throwing us is we were let to believe Mary Ann was a native Indian but with a name like Mc Coon - Mc Koon not to sure. We know she was born in Utica USA. Thanks again. Kind regards John + Sue ps can anyone tell me how I send a email to other members
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Hi again.
The only record of the marriage would be the parish record. Civil registration did not begin in Quebec until 1994 (yes!). You have already been given just about all the pertinent info that is found on the marriage record, if I remember correctly. There are no parents mentioned, unfortunately. The image of the parish record is available on the Ancestry website (see my earlier post re how to access images). Ordering a record would only get you a copy of what is already available on line.
Just noticed you are new to RootsChat. Welcome :).
PB
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ps can anyone tell me how I send a email to other members
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