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Research in Other Countries => United States of America => Topic started by: roycymru on Sunday 18 March 18 12:36 GMT (UK)
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Hello
Hoping someone can help. Trying to unravel facts relating to Jane and her later life in America. Specifically
When she emigrated (with first husband Henry Michael and children Mary Ann Michael and John Michael). Looks like they initially settled in Utah
Divorce records for Jane Stone and Henry Michael (Utah?)
When she married her second husband John Thomas, probably John C. Thomas I.e. details of marriage either Utah or Ohio
Which children she had with him
Death record for Jane 03 May 1925 (Gloucester, Ohio), which should confirm her marriage and possibly parentage
Jane was born 15Oct1841 in Llanelly and married Henry Michael on 19sep1861. They had 2 children Mary Ann Michael (born 1862) and a John Michael (born 1864). At some point the family emigrated to America. Their daughter married a Isaac Buress Hatch, and these details are confirmed by Mary Ann’s death entry in LDS records https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DYQ3-L19?i=7&cc=1747615
Referrals to newspaper entries on LDS to her jane’s death indicate she divorced Henry Michael and then married a John Thomas. https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/164480613
What is confusing is which John Thomas she married and which children are attributable to them.
There is this census entry in 1900 attributable to them https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6SG3-BFM?i=20&cc=1325221. States married 28 years and therefore married 1872. States Jane born 1841 which is correct and John C. Thomas born 1846. There are 2 sons William (1880 ) and Thomas (1876). I think this is (mostly!) correct as confirmed by birth entry for son Thomas https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XXCS-GMP?from=lynx1&treeref=KCFM-QVN which has his parents as John C.Thomas and Jane Stone. However, the census record has their years of immigration as 1861 and 1859 respectively. Jane’s can’t be 1861 as she was still in wales at least until 1864!?
There is also this census entry attributed to them https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M8SD-4PN?from=lynx1&treeref=KCFM-QVN but with father John born 1841 not 1846 and son John Thomas born 1864. I think this attribution is wrong as birth year for father John does not tie up with 1900 and there is son John Thomas was born in same year when supposed Mother Jane was having second child with first husband John Michael. There are also other children in this census which would have been born before the marriage year of 1872 quoted in 1890. Therefore I think this census entry is incorrect? If so, there should be another census entry for John and Jane Thomas in 1880 somewhere.
Some of the facts fit and others don’t so it’s all a bit confusing?
Hoping someone can help unravel things
Regards
Roy
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Roy, from the findagrave entry for Mary Ann Michael who married Hatch she has a sibling Mary Thomas Zimmer, I have found a 1910 census in Trimble Athens Ohio which has the following:
Household Members:
Name Age
Jane Thomas 68 Born Wales, Widow
Robert Zimmer 17 Born Ohio, Grandson
Thelma Lawrence 15 Born Ohio, Granddaughter
John Smith 60 Born England, Boarder
The record shows Jane arriving US 1874, having 10 children of only 2 still alive
1900 census Still in Trimble Ohio, shows:
Household Members:
Name Age
Jane Thomas 57 Born Wales, divorced
Alvira Thomas 18 Born Ohio, Daughter
Harriett Lawrence 26 Born Wales, daughter, divorced
Velma Lawrence 6 born Ohio, granddaughter
Shows Jane emigrating 1874, 10 children , 5 still alive
1920 - think this is Jane:
Name: Jane Tomas
[Jane Lomas]
Age: 78
Birth Year: abt 1842
Birthplace: Wales
Home in 1920: Trimble, Athens, Ohio
House Number: X
Residence Date: 1920
Race: White
Gender: Female
Immigration Year: 1874
Relation to Head of House: Head
Marital Status: Widowed
Father's Birthplace: Wales
Mother's Birthplace: Wales
Native Tongue: Welsh
Able to Speak English: Yes
Occupation: Janitor
Industry: Coal Mine
Employment Field: Wage or Salary
Home Owned or Rented: Own
Home Free or Mortgaged: Free
Naturalization Status: Naturalized
Able to Read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Jane Tomas 78
Have not found any earlier census as yet - will look a little more.
Ray
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Have found an 1880 census: [just re-read your post and see that you already have this census]
ame: John Thomas
Age: 38
Birth Date: Abt 1842
Birthplace: Wales
Home in 1880: New Straightsville, Perry, Ohio, USA
Dwelling Number: 33
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Self (Head)
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Jane Thomas
Father's Birthplace: Wales
Mother's Birthplace: Wales
Occupation: Coal Miner
Cannot Read: Yes
Cannot Write: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John Thomas 38 Born Wales
Jane Thomas 38 Born Wales
John Thomas 16 Born Wales
David Thomas 13 Born Wales
William Thomas 11 Born Wales
Harriet Thomas 8 Born Wales
Mary Thomas 5 Born Ohio 1875 - 1 year after the 1874 immigration
Thomas Thomas 3 Born Ohio
Here is the birth of Thomas Thomas:
Name: Thomas Thomas
Gender: Male
Race: White
Birth Date: 17 Feb 1877
Birth Place: New Straitsville, Perry, Ohio
Father: John C Thomas
Mother: Jane Stone
Have also found a birth for an earlier Thomas Thomas:
Name: Thomas Thomas
Gender: Male
Race: White
Birth Date: 3 Sep 1875
Birth Place: Havensville, Hocking, Ohio
Father: John C Thomas
Mother: Jane Stone
Presume he must have died?
Have also found a birth for a Lizzie Thomas:
Name: Lizzie Thomas
Gender: Female
Race: White
Birth Date: 8 Oct 1878
Birth Place: Coal, Perry, Ohio
Father: John Thomas
Mother: Jane Stone
Not on the 1880 census so assume had died?
So did Jane emigrate as a Michael or a Thomas?
Ray
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looking at GRO index can only find 3 births for children Michael with mother Stone:
Mary Ann 1862 Llanelly
John 1864 Llanelly
Hannah 1866 Llanelly
Hannah died in 1870 age 4 years:
Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page
Births Sep 1866
Michael Hannah Llanelly 11a 632
Deaths Sep 1870
Michael Hannah 4 Llanelly 11a 347
Can't find any Thomas/Stone births but have found births for David Thomas (1868) , William Thomas (1870) & Harriet Thomas (1873) in Llanelly, with no mothers surname given. These match the births from the 1880 census.
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Utah Mormon Pioneer Overland Travel Database, 1847-1868 - Henry Michael - born 15 May 1839 - departed 10 July 1866 - arrived 29 August 1866 - Pioneer Company Thomas E. Ricks Company.
Death Date: 28 Mar 1924
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QK9B-CGT6
Ages and immigration dates can vary quite a lot on US records - sometimes need taken with a pinch of salt - the information was only as good as the informants knowledge.
Locating civil marriage records in Utah prior to 1887 can be difficult as historically there wasn't a legal requirement to record them in any government register.
Polygamy was very common in Utah until about 1890.
Sandra
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Well that makes sense Sandra. Henry Michael sailed on the 10 July 1866 and daughter Harriet's birth registered Sept Qtr 1866. So the other children on the 1880 census could not have been Henry Michael's.
Looking at the familysearch page It has the children listed on the 1880 census as the children of John C Thomas (1841-1907).
Here: https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/2MBB-DKW
Details for Jane Stone which gives her parents, Charles Stone & Jane Thomas, her siblings, 1851 and 1861 census, death of son John Michael, Etc.
Also: https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/KWVQ-GJ4
Details on Henry Michael. The 1900 census shows he was married around 1870, his wife had had 11 children (don't know if all by Henry) and there were 5 still alive.
Ray
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Henry Death Notice
Sandra
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Thank you everyone for this excellent information.
There is a lot of information and I have been trying to make sense of it.
Jane Stone daughter of Charles Stone and Jane Thomas is correct. The marriage entry for Jane at Findmypast confirms she married Henry Michael and RayDean’s finds shows they in fact has 3 children, the last of Hannah which was born 1866 and died in 1870 age 4. So unlikely Jane and children would have emigrated before 1870.
It looks like Henry Michael emigrated 1866 after the birth of their Daughter Hannah and remarried.
Whether they actually divorced or not Is debatatable.
Whether she emigrated as Jane Michael (in theory yes) or Jane Thomas, no idea, but whether Michael or Thomas in theory her children Mary Ann Michael and John Michael should have emigrated as Michael. I wonder if they actually emigrated with their father?
At first I wasn’t convinced the 1880 census entry was Jane, but other evidence you found has indicated it is her. The fly in the ointment is the John Thomas born 1865. In 1865 she was still married to Henry Michael. Therefore I wonder if David was the result of an affair with John C Thomas and the reason for the “divorce”. Her then having 3 further illegitimate children with John C Thomas, David, William and Harriet. They then emigrating in 1873/1874 and becoming “married”?
If they did emigrate 1874, then Jane as Michael or Thomas, John C Thomas, her children Mary Ann Michael and John Michael (if they didn’t emigrate with their father) and her illegitimate children John, David, William and Harriet should be in the 1871 census, but I can’t find them?
Any further help or insight would be greatly appreciated
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Found this on Henry Michael at LDS
Henry Michel had three wives
Henry MIchel was born in Wales and he married Jane Stone but departed from her in 1866. She gave birth to a son that year but Henry must have taken his daughter and left for Utah. Henry married Ruth Williams and is with her in the 1870 census. They have two children of their own plus Henry's daughter Mary Ann Michel. One of the children of Ruth and Henry died. This daughter is Ruth Michael. Her name plus her parents are listed on this death certificate. So, Henry and Ruth had three children. I think maybe Ruth may have died soon after this birth because Henry is then married again the same year 1871 to Sarah Jones. In the 1900 census they had been married 30 years and had 11 children of which only 5 were still living and one of those died that next year 1901 Henry Jones Michael passed away. So only four of their children lived.
In Henry's obituary his children listed still living were:
Edward J Michael, his youngest son born to him and Sarah
Mrs Margaret Evans Daughter of Ruth and Henry
Mrs J Williams: this is Sarah, Henry's daughter with Sarah Jones
Mrs Charles Bartlett: his is Hannah, Henry's daughter with Sarah Jones
David J Michael son of Henry and Sarah Jones
Mrs Mary A Hatch: Daughter of Henry and first wife Jane Stone
John Michael: This is his son born to Jane Stone that Henry did not raise. He was raised by his mother Jane in Wales.
The only child recorded for Henry still living that is not mentioned in his obituary is Frances
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A further thought, as a follow on from the previous post, is that the John Thomas (1865) with John C Thomas and Jane Thomas (Michael nee Stone) in the 1880 census is actually John Michael (1864). Seems he is known as John Michael in later US censuses according to LDS. This would make more sense. Still doesn’t explain why Jane’s first husband Henry Michael suddenly left for America soon after the birth their 3rd child Hannah in 1866 taking only their first child Mary Ann with him. Pure speculation. but could be that discovered John And Hannah Michael were actually not his and therefore why he left them behind and why they “divorced”?
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John Michael's death certificate:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DC67-7P8?i=1343&cc=1307272
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Attached is what looks to be Jane Stone (as Michael) and her son John in the 1871 census living at 28 Forge Row Llanelly. No sign of John C Thomas or other children attributed to her and John C Thomas in the 1880 US census.
Therefore my current thoughts is that perhaps John C Thomas was also married before and therefore David (born 1867), William (born 1870) with him and Jane in the 1880 US census are children from this earlier marriage. There is also John Thomas born 1864, he could also be from this earlier marriage or John Michael as he definitely ends up in America, unless anyone can find him listed elsewhere in the 1880 US, Ohio or Utah census. Harriet Thomas born 1872
Therefore still need to find John C. Thomas and these earlier children in Carmarthenshire (born Wales). If anyone can, this would be a great help in unraveling things
Thanks
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What a great find Roy. And I think you are probably correct in that this is a mixed family and that the David & William are not Jane's
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Been trying to piece together what is correct about Jane Stone (my 3rd great aunt) and her first husband Henry Michael and their children from my information, information on LDS and information that others have kindly researched as part of this post.
This is part 1
I would welcome any thoughts or criticisms of the below and also any extra information. Still not 100% convinced the 1880 Ohio census attributed to Jane is her, so if anyone can find a better match would love to hear from you. If it is her, then birth or death records for Mary Thomas (circa 1875) and Harriet Thomas (circa 1872-1874) daughter of John C. Thomas and Jane Stone would confirm this. Can anyone help? A census entry for Henry Michael in 1890 would also help tie up his information.
So:
Jane Stone (20, Spinster, Wind Street) father Charles Stone, Farmer, married Henry Michael (21, Batchelor, Fireman, Forge), father John Michael, Collier (FindmyPast, Carmarthenshire Parish Records)
They had 3 children Mary Ann (MICHAEL, MARY ANN (STONE) GRO Reference: 1862 M Quarter in LLANELLY Volume 11A Page 547), John (MICHAEL, JOHN (STONE) GRO Reference: 1864 S Quarter in LLANELLY Volume 11A Page 583) and Hannah (MICHAEL, HANNAH (STONE) GRO Reference: 1866 S Quarter in LLANELLY Volume 11A Page 632) who died in 1870 age 4 (MICHAEL, HANNAH age 4 GRO Reference: 1870 S Quarter in LLANELLY Volume 11A Page 347)
Henry Michael emigrates to America and end up in Utah together with their daughter Mary Ann. Can find no ship passenger lists with them on but according to Utah census records this was around 1866. Michael first appears in the 1870 Utah Census (as Henry Michel) with daughter Mary A. (age 9), his second wife Ruth Williams (born 1847) and 2 further children Margaret (born 1868 Utah) and Francis born (1879 Utah) https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-XHRQ-TNT?i=5&cc=1438024
Ruth dies 29Sep1872 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:F85N-93D?from=lynx1&treeref=KWVQ-GJ4
(Why Henry leaves Hannah and John, emigrates to America soon after the birth of their 3rd child and then quickly remarries is unknown).
1880 Utah census shows him with 3rd wife Sarah Jones (born 1837 S. Wales) and 2 children Sarah (born 1875 Utah) and Hannah (born 1878 Utah) https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9YBG-9MMB?i=53&cc=1417683
Sarah dies 27Jun1908 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939J-DX3L-QT?i=21&cc=1459704
No record for Henry in 1890 but in 1900 shows him with wife Sarah and sons Henry (1872) David (1881) and Edward (1884). This record states he emigrated in 1866.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DZ2Q-8BK?i=20&cc=1325221
This ties in with Utah Mormon Pioneer Overland Travel Database, 1847-1868 - Henry Michael - born 15 May 1839 - departed 10 July 1866 - arrived 29 August 1866 - Pioneer Company Thomas E. Ricks Company. (Death Date: 28 Mar 1924)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QK9B-CGT6
and this for his daughter Mary Ann Michael
https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/results?count=20&query=%2Bgivenname%3A%22mary%20a%22~%20%2Bsurname%3Amichael~&collection_id=2517340
His birth year in the above is wrong s/be 1841 as confirmed by (MICHAEL, HENRY (DAVIES) GRO Reference: 1841 June Quarter in LLANELLY Volume 26 Page 599)
In 1910 was widowed living with just with son Edward (born 1885 “Wales”) https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9YBF-PS?i=14&cc=1727033
In 1920 was again just with son Edward https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRFC-PVQ?cc=1488411
Mary Ann marries Isaac B Hatch and her death record 16 Feb 1845 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-DYQ3-L19?i=7&cc=1747615 confirms her parents as Henry Michael and Jane Stone with a birth date of 01 Jan 1862. So this all fits nicely, couple with the fact that on Ancestry DNA I am a good 4-6th cousin match with 1 of her descendents (sent email but no reply)
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Part 2
Jane Stone, we know, does not leave the UK until after 1871 as her and her son John are still living at Forge Street, Llanelly https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V55S-VSW . There is no sign of a John Thomas, who she later marries, and associated children. Therefore, it looks like she did not meet John until after 1871 possibly in Llanelly or possibly not until she emigrated to the US. Unlike her first husband Henry Michael she seems to end up in Ohio rather than Utah.
That her son John emigrated is confirmed by his death entry https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DC67-7P8?i=1343&cc=1307272
where his father is listed as Henry Michael and mother as “unknown’ Stone. His birth year is given as 1866, but should be 1864.
A Jane Stone (presume is her) had a son Thomas with John C. Thomas on 03 Sep 1875 in Ohio https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9R23-97YW?i=154&cc=1932106 . Presumably he dies young as there is another Thomas Thomas born to them on 17 feb 1877 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XXCS-GMP?from=lynx1&treeref=KCFM-QVN
Plus a Lizzie Thomas
Name: Lizzie Thomas
Gender: Female
Race: White
Birth Date: 8 Oct 1878
Birth Place: Coal, Perry, Ohio
Father: John Thomas
Mother: Jane Stone
Other have attributed this 1900 census entry as Jane and Thomas https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6SG3-BFM?i=20&cc=1325221 however I think this is wrong, not least of which is the fact is that if states Jane Emigrated in 1859, whereas it was after 1871. This is the more likely entry as found by RayDen
1900 census Still in Trimble Ohio, shows:
Household Members:
Name Age
Jane Thomas 57 Born Wales, divorced
Alvira Thomas 18 Born Ohio, Daughter
Harriett Lawrence 26 Born Wales, daughter, divorced
Velma Lawrence 6 born Ohio, granddaughter
Shows Jane emigrating 1874, 10 children, 5 still alive
Her emigrating in 1874 ties in with the fact we know she was still living in Wales in 1871.
This also seems to be her in 1910
The findagrave entry for Mary Ann Michael who married Hatch she has a sibling Mary Thomas Zimmer, and there is a 1910 census in Trimble Athens Ohio which has the following:
Household Members:
Name Age
Jane Thomas 68 Born Wales, Widow
Robert Zimmer 17 Born Ohio, Grandson
Thelma Lawrence 15 Born Ohio, Granddaughter (Thelma = Velma in 1900?)
John Smith 60 Born England, Boarder
The record shows Jane arriving US 1874, having 10 children of only 2 still alive
2 alive corresponds with the below death entry for her. Amazingly the 2 children alive look to be those from her marriage to Henry Michael.
FUNERAL THURSDAY
GLOUSTER, May 5--The funeral of Mrs. Jane Thomas, an account of whose death was given Monday, will be held at 2 o'clock Thursday afternoon at Calvary Baptist church, conducted by C.B. Frampton, pastor of the Church of Christ. Burial will be made in the Glouster cemetery.
Mrs. Thomas leaves two children. A son, John Michael, resides at Chauncey, and a daughter resides in Utah. She also leaves several grandchildren.
The Athens Messenger
Tuesday, May 5, 1925
The 1880 census attributed to her is
Name: John Thomas
Age: 38
Birth Date: Abt 1842
Birthplace: Wales
Home in 1880: New Straightsville, Perry, Ohio, USA
Dwelling Number: 33
Race: White
Gender: Male
Relation to Head of House: Self (Head)
Marital Status: Married
Spouse's Name: Jane Thomas
Father's Birthplace: Wales
Mother's Birthplace: Wales
Occupation: Coal Miner
Cannot Read: Yes
Cannot Write: Yes
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
John Thomas 38 Born Wales
Jane Thomas 38 Born Wales
John Thomas 16 Born Wales
David Thomas 13 Born Wales
William Thomas 11 Born Wales
Harriet Thomas 8 Born Wales
Mary Thomas 5 Born Ohio 1875 - 1 year after the 1874 immigration
Thomas Thomas 3 Born Ohio
This fits reasonably well. Though there is no mention of Jane’s son John Michael, though he could be the John “Thomas” age 16 mentioned above. David and William I don’t think are her children as they are born pre 1871 and there is no mention of them being with her in the 1871 UK census. Therefore, I think these are from a previous marriage of John Thomas. Harriet (born 1872) maybe hers and could be the Harriett Lawrence (born 1874), living with Jane, as daughter in the 1874 census. Mary Thomas (1875) and Thomas (1877) are most likely her’s and Thomas therefore is probably the second Thomas Thomas mentioned previously. Though Mary Thomas born 1875 clashes with the first Thomas Thomas of Jane’s born 03 Sep 1875, though Mary could have actually been born 1874.
Therefore of her 10 children we have possibly accounted for 6: Mary Ann Michael (1862, Wales), John Michael (1864, Wales), Hannah Michael (1866, Wales), Mary Thomas (1875), Thomas Thomas (1875) and Thomas Thomas (1877).
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Roy, one of the big stumbling blocks with the USA is that there is no 1890 census, all (or most) lost in a fire in 1921. Some states have a 1895 census but not all and not as far as I am aware Ohio or Utah.
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Ah!!! Thanks
In the interim I have found the LDS searchable Ohio birth records. Like you I have only found 3 attributed to Jane Stone, so not sure where the others are.
Think I have may have found an indirect link that Mary Thomas is the daughter of Jane Stone. In 1910 you found a reference to grandson Rober Zimmer and I think I have found his birth on 3rd Oct 1892, parents Max Zimmer and Mary Thomas https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRYW-VN7?i=170&cc=1932106
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It also looks likes potential sisters Mary Thomas and Harriet Thomas and therefore daughters of Jane, married Max Zimmer and John Lawrence on the same day, 18 Dec 1891
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:9392-913N-63?i=309&cc=1614804
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Your on a roll now Roy, great find!!
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Thanks, wouldn’t have got this far without your excellent help. If possible, would you be able to provide the links for the 1900, 1910 and 1920 census entries for Jane.
Kind Regards
Roy
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Source Citation
Year: 1900; Census Place: Trimble, Athens, Ohio; Page: 17; Enumeration District: 0118
Source Citation
Year: 1910; Census Place: Trimble, Athens, Ohio; Roll: T624_1153; Page: 8B; Enumeration District: 0031; FHL microfilm: 1375166
Source Citation
Year: 1920; Census Place: Trimble, Athens, Ohio; Roll: T625_1348; Page: 10B; Enumeration District: 26
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Source Citation
Year: 1900; Census Place: Trimble, Athens, Ohio; Page: 17; Enumeration District: 0118
Source Citation
Year: 1910; Census Place: Trimble, Athens, Ohio; Roll: T624_1153; Page: 8B; Enumeration District: 0031; FHL microfilm: 1375166
Source Citation
Year: 1920; Census Place: Trimble, Athens, Ohio; Roll: T625_1348; Page: 10B; Enumeration District: 26
If you register for free and log in to family search - you can see these census which Ray quoted above. Hope these links help.
1900 census - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6SGQ-98X?i=31&cc=1325221
1910 census - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RNT-N17?i=15&cc=1727033
1920 census - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9R6T-7T5?i=19&cc=1488411
Sandra
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Spot on Sandra and some additional help.
1900 census: Not spotted previously but the family immediately above Jane Thomas is her daughter Mary's family the Zimmers!!
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Spot on Sandra and some additional help.
1900 census: Not spotted previously but the family immediately above Jane Thomas is her daughter Mary's family the Zimmers!!
You've done a very good job yourself Ray. ;)
Sandra
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Confident, with your help, that have the right Jane Thomas (nee Stone) 1900 onwards (emigrated around the right time and has Robert Zimmer, son of her daughter Mary with her in 1900 and other daughter Harriet with her (as Lawrence) in 1910) and that it is her and John Thomas in the 1880 census (with Harriet and Mary and also son Thomas who we know is the son of John C Thomas and Jane Stone).
Struggling to find the correct John C. Thomas (her husband) in later census. Unfortunately the 1890 census does not exist and John in 1900 census is a best guess.
In 1900 Jane is listed as divorced and in 1910 as widowed, therefore the grave of John C Thomas born 08 Oct 1841 and died 08Jan1907 seems to fit nicely. However confusingly on this gravestone are:
William C Thomas: 16Mar1867 to 08Jul1923 and
Alice N. Thomas: 10Aug1868 to 11Jul1924
Their years of birth would indicate they are children of John and therefore you would expect them to be with him in the 1880 census. Alice is not and although there is a William with him in 1880, his birth year is 1869, close but close enough? Therefore is this him?
Have tried looking for Alice N, William C and John C Thomas separately or together in BMD and census but with no obvious luck. Perhaps those with better skills than mine can?
Jane is listed as divorced in 1900 therefore John C could easily be with another wife between 1880 and 1900, which doesn't help things.
The only possible candidate I can find for John C in 1900 (other than the one previously discounted is further on below) is this one. His status is widowed which at first glance means he could not be Jan's husband as she is alive and divorced in 1900. However, if he was divorced in the intervening years he could easily have remarried and "widowed" might refer to his second wife?
A John C. Thomas, born 1840 Wales in the 1900 census is below
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6SG3-Y2N?i=32&cc=1325221
Name John C Thomas
Event Type Census
Event Year 1900
Event Place Trimble Township Trimble village, Athens, Ohio, United States
Gender Male
Age 60
Marital Status Widowed
Race White
Race (Original) W
Relationship to Head of Household Boarder
Relationship to Head of Household (Original) Boarder
Birth Date 1840
Birthplace Wales
Father's Birthplace Wales
Mother's Birthplace Wales
Living with
Andrew Johnson Head M 40 Ohio
Lizzie Johnson Wife F 38 Ohio
John C Thomas Boarder M 60 Wales
The below we have previously discounted
(Jane found living separately in 1900, this pair emigrated in early 1860)
Other (1) John C. Thomas (1900)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6SG3-BFM?i=20&cc=1325221
Name John C Thomas
Event Type Census
Event Year 1900
Event Place Athens Township (incl. Athens Insane Asylum), Athens, Ohio, United States
Gender Male
Age 54
Marital Status Married
Race White
Race (Original) W
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Relationship to Head of Household (Original) Head
Years Married 28
Birth Date Oct 1846
Birthplace Wales
Marriage Year (Estimated) 1872
Immigration Year 1861
Father's Birthplace Wales
Mother's Birthplace Wales
John C Thomas Head M 54 Wales
Jane Thomas Wife F 59 Wales
William Thomas Son M 20 Ohio
Thomas Thomas Son M 24 Ohio
Celia Evens Granddaughter F 13 Ohio
The below John C Thomas can also be discounted as he is alive in 1910 census and is also in 1880 census with same family, different wife and emigrated 1866 when Jane was still in Wales
Other (2) John C. Thomas (1900)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-D4G7-1W5?cc=1325221
Name John C Thomas
Event Type Census
Event Year 1900
Event Place Steubenville Township Mingo Junction village, Jefferson, Ohio, United States
Gender Male
Age 56
Marital Status Married
Race White
Race (Original) W
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Relationship to Head of Household (Original) Head
Years Married 34
Birth Date Dec 1844
Birthplace Wales
Marriage Year (Estimated) 1866
Immigration Year 1872
Father's Birthplace Wales
Mother's Birthplace Wales
John C Thomas Head M 56 Wales
??? Thomas Wife F 58 Wales (wife is Mary from other census entries)
Edward F Thomas Son M 33 Wales
Isaac Thomas Son M 26 Wales
Elizabeth Thomas Daughter F 24 Ohio
Ruth Thomas Daughter F 22 Ohio
Llueellyn Thomas Son M 28 Ohio (Llewelyn)
Annabelle Thomas Daughter F 20 Ohio
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Someone kindly found the attached and sent it to me. Ties up known facts nicely. Mentions Mary Ann Hatch (nee Michael) daughter from Jane’s first marriage who went to Utah with her father Henry Michael in 1866. Also mentions her son John Michael and Leonard Zimmers, her grandson from her daughter Mary Thomas from Jane’s second marriage.
Nice to see that Jane and Mary Ann must have kept in touch, or at least brothers and sisters John and Mary Ann did, even though Mary Ann ended up in Utah with her Father in Utah in 1866 where he remarried (twice), whereas Jane and her son John did not arrive in the US until 1874, settling in Ohio
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So many people think that genealogy is just about getting as many people and dates together [whether they fit or not] but the real genealogy is what you have [or someone has] unearthed here Roy. This is real people (our people) and what they did with their lives - wonderful!!!
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Hello
Revisiting this thread after a long break. Trying to find more information on Jane Stone’s second husband/partner John C Thomas (I say partner as I have not been able to a marriage for them) and his children. A more detailed explanation is below but am after help in trying locate
John Thomas 1841, Llanelly in 1861 or 1871 UK census
David Thomas 1866, Llanelly? in 1871 UK census
William Thomas 1867/1868, Llanelly? in 1871 UK census
Mary Ann Thomas 1872/1873, Llanelly?
I have established that John Thomas was born 09 Oct 1841 at Water Street Llanelly to William Thomas (abt 1816) and Mary Charles (abt 1815). He is with his parents and siblings at Upper Water Street, Llanelly in 1851 but after that he “disappears” but must be around as there are sons David (1866) and William (1867/1868) attributed to him.
Who their mother is not completely clear, but a death certificate attributed to son William Thomas (see attached) indicates she is a Sarah Williams. The DOB of 16 Mar 1867 on the certificate corresponds to that on on his gravestone (buried with his father). Though family notes provided by a relative it is actually 16 Mar 1868. Checking with the registry office there are no corresponding births in Llanelly in 1867 and the nearest match in 1868 is the 18th Mar, but with mother Ann Williams (still awaiting full details).
Family notes on brother David states he was born 16 Jan 1866.
Jane Stone and William Thomas don’t appear together until the 1880 US census, though they must have known each other beforehand as Jane actually emigrates in 1873 with John’s sons David Thomas, William Thomas and a daughter Mary Ann Thomas (an infant) and her son John Michael from her first marriage to Henry Michael. In the passenger list Jane has revereted to her maiden surname of Stone (see attached).
Although Jane emigrates with them they are not with her in the 1871 census.
(Note: John Thomas (as far as I am aware) only becomes John C Thomas when in America. The addition of the middle C must reference his mother’s maiden name Charles.