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Title: Robert Howling 1837
Post by: andmc1 on Monday 19 March 18 10:24 GMT (UK)
Hi
i have robert parents and found him on 1851Census

1851
Edgefield

Robert Howling 39  Ag Lab          Brameston wood End
Lydia 39                                    Edgefield
Robert      13       Ag lab             Edgefield
Frederick  10         Ag lab             Edgefield
David        8         Scholar             Edgefield
Matilda 4                                    Edgefield
Sarah Jacobs 75 Wid Mother in law  Pauper  ( ag lab ) Edgefield

christening 25 june 1837 edgefield
parents
robert howling 1812-1856
lydia jacobs 1811-1852

i am trying to find out a bit more about him

i have found a robert on 1851 1861 census  born elmham norfolk
but as my robert is with parents 1851 i dont think this is him

thank you

andrea
Title: Re: Robert Howling 1837
Post by: trish1120 on Monday 19 March 18 11:27 GMT (UK)
1841 Census in case you dont have it?

Robert Herrling, 27
Lydia Herrling, 30
John Herrling, 7
Robert Herrling, 4
Frederick Herrling, 1
Title: Re: Robert Howling 1837
Post by: emeltom on Monday 19 March 18 11:44 GMT (UK)
Deaths

Robert Howling Dec 1856 Erpingham 4b 42 age 45

Lydia Howling Mar 1852 Erpingham 4b 53 age 40

I can find David Howling in 1861 working as a Farm Servant in Stody, Erpingham and Frederick Howling in 1871 lodging in White Lion Street, Holt, Erpingham. He is a Drover.

I cannot find anything for Robert or his sister Matilda.

Emeltom
Title: Re: Robert Howling 1837
Post by: trish1120 on Monday 19 March 18 11:50 GMT (UK)
This Robert H appears to marry Dec 1861;

Robert Howling   24, born 1837 North Elmham, Norfolk.
Lodging in living Mattishall Burgh.

FreeREG has the Marriage 1 Nov 1861 East Dereham to Elizabeth WILSON, name his Father as ROBERT, Occp Labourer
Robrts jnrs abode is Mattishall Burgh 
Title: Re: Robert Howling 1837
Post by: andmc1 on Monday 19 March 18 12:12 GMT (UK)

Hi thank you
i did not have 1841 census

the marriage 1861
seems to fit better to the other robert  born elmham market
i can follow them through to 1901

on 1851 i have my robert living edgefield
and the other robert living in Mattishal  a servent    born elmham market

so i am thinking 2 roberts similar age  i did notice the father was robert but as my robert ( father ) was dead

i am thinking edgefield and elmham market  are not that close together in norfolk

the only other thing i noticed was a death 1854 of a robert
looks like several of the children died around that time
all the same illness or was there an event they all died in ?

i did also notice that both lydia jacobs anad sister elizabeth married  howling men
elizabeth jacob married john howling  poss 1835
were the two howling men brothers

andrea
Title: Re: Robert Howling 1837
Post by: emeltom on Monday 19 March 18 13:20 GMT (UK)
Robert Wells Howling bapt Bramerton 25 January 1813 parents John, a Publican, and Mary
John Howling baptised Bramerton 1815 parents John, a Publican, and Mary nee Chastney

Lydia Jacobs baptised 6 April 1811 Edgefield Jeremiah and Sarah nee Hagon
Lydia has two sisters Ann 1806 and Mary 1809 but can't see an Elizabeth

Baptisms are on FreeReg

Emeltom
Title: Re: Robert Howling 1837
Post by: groom on Monday 19 March 18 13:23 GMT (UK)
I think you need to be careful here as there are two Robert Howlings of much the same age. I don't think the Robert Howling   24, born 1837 North Elmham, Norfolk is yours.
Title: Re: Robert Howling 1837
Post by: trish1120 on Monday 19 March 18 13:55 GMT (UK)
 The 1854 Death Reg;
HOWLINGS, ROBERT, age 16**
GRO Reference: 1854  M Quarter in ERPINGHAM  Volume 04B  Page 45
Title: Re: Robert Howling 1837
Post by: trish1120 on Monday 19 March 18 14:11 GMT (UK)
Yes I agree the Robert that married Elizabeth Wilson is not yours. I just posted for elimination purposes but forgot to say that!

This appears to be the one who married Elizabeth Wilson, living in North Elmham 1841;
Robert Howling,   M   25-29   Norfolk
Mary Howling,   F   25-29   Norfolk
Robert Howling, M   6   Norfolk
Hannah Howling, F   3   Norfolk
Thomas Howling,M   2   Norfolk
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Trish :)
Title: Re: Robert Howling 1837
Post by: andmc1 on Monday 19 March 18 17:36 GMT (UK)
i think elizabeth jacobs  christening was  23 dec 1813 edgefield

sarah jacobs chr 2 oct1816
married john howling approx 1835


thank you for your help

i think robert howlings died 1854 aged 16  this seems to fit i cant find him
on any census after 1851

andrea

Title: Re: Robert Howling 1837
Post by: amondg on Tuesday 20 March 18 05:41 GMT (UK)
Robert Howling married Lydia Jacobs 25 March 1834 at Edgefield

John Howling married Sarah Jacobs 28 July 1835 at Edgefield

Title: Re: Robert Howling 1837
Post by: trish1120 on Wednesday 21 March 18 07:48 GMT (UK)
I'm a bit confused here Andrea;
Quote;
i think robert howlings died 1854 aged 16  this seems to fit i cant find him
on any census after 1851

He died 1854 so wont appear on 1861 Census.

Title: Re: Robert Howling 1837
Post by: groom on Wednesday 21 March 18 08:09 GMT (UK)
I'm a bit confused here Andrea;
Quote;
i think robert howlings died 1854 aged 16  this seems to fit i cant find him
on any census after 1851

He died 1854 so wont appear on 1861 Census.

I read that as Andrea saying she agreed that the 1854 death was him because she couldn’t find him after 1851, which probably meant he had died.
Title: Re: Robert Howling 1837
Post by: trish1120 on Wednesday 21 March 18 13:16 GMT (UK)
Sorry I may have misunderstood, thanks groom :)