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My mother was born in 1935 at 46 Ouseley Road, when I googled this address it is a house but is attached to St James's Hospital. So I assumed it was the maternity wing.
7 years later in 1928 my great grandfather died at 46 Ouseley Road, he fell out of a window. Inquest verdict was 'Open'. I cannot find any newspaper articles of the inquest or the fall anywhere. Does anyone know any of the history of this house? I have obviously looked up the 'Lost Hospitals' web site and have a little information. Does anyone know where I might find the Inquest documents if there are any?
Thanks
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Looking at 1930's PO Directories, 46 Ouseley Road was the address of St James' Hospital
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Hi Suzy
Seven years after 1935 is 1942 :)
Or did you mean seven years before 1935?
Cheers
Giggsy
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His death certificate should identify the Coroner, giving the area they cover. That will give a possible archive to contact to ask if they hold the file.
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I cannot find any newspaper articles of the inquest or the fall anywhere.
Have you just searched online newspaper archives? The event may be too recent for many local papers but a main library in the area may have relevant papers.
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Yes it does state the coroner but it is not very clear and I cannot make it out, I think I have attached it here!
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Hi Josey
I have just searched on line at moment. I have emailed Balham library but that was more about the hospital, I did not think of emailing them for the newspaper article. I will try that too, I am too far away to search myself.
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Coroner's name possible S I Oddie ??? coroner for County of London
ADDED: Yes, S I Oddie
http://www.croxleygreenhistory.co.uk/samuel-ingleby-oddie.html
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I read it as Coroner for the County of London so perhaps email the London Metropolitan Archives with details of the Inquest.....date and place, name of deceased.
They found one from 1904 for me; very interesting file to read.
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Thanks Josey that is great he is quite famous! Very interesting.
Thanks nanny jan I have just emailed them to see what I can obtain.
:)
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It looks as though there's an article in the British Newspapers on FMpast:
An open verdict was Mr. Ingle, Oddie at on aged of , term. Budd' bad for Mart trouble at • Respital, Beßum. On Nllalkir $ a found that hr his bed, he was afterwards discovered deed in the yard below the ward. r.' Oddie said that there was not isuMtient
November 10, 1928 - Daily Herald - London, London, England
Maureen
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The LMA has a useful information leaflet
https://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/things-to-do/london-metropolitan-archives/visitor-information/Pages/information-leaflets.aspx
click on Courts Legal and Crime
and then select the Coroners option
See page 9 and 10 of the pdf
The LMA answer enquiries in date received order, you might have a bit of a wait. My last enquiry took 10 working days
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Thanks MaureeninNY and Dawnsh
Maureen that is definitely the newspaper article thank you so much. How sad!
Sue
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A bit oblique really but may be of interest. I was born at 30 Ouseley Road in 1946. The grounds of St James' hospital were over our back garden wall. Memory is a bit hazy now as I was only 8 when we moved away, and I don't recall the hospital being actually in our road, but I suppose the entrance driveway could have been further down the road. Have you tried street view?
CP
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Hi CP yes I have done a street view and there was an entrance right next door to 46 with a brick arch and gate. The main entrance was round the corner in Sarsfield road.
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Hi Suzi
Yes the main entrance in Sarsfield Road conjures up a memory image that I recognise. The entrance next to no 46 obviously didn't stick so clearly. My Grandmother who lived with us died in St James' in 1948.
C
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A couple of old films of the hospital from the 1950s here:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDRPi7Xpmzo
www.youtube.com/watch?v=qygR9TwXHbU&t=19s
Monica :)
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Thanks Josey that is great he is quite famous! Very interesting.
Thanks nanny jan I have just emailed them to see what I can obtain.
:)
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Hi Suzy, I know this address because my great grandparents lived there for a number of years in the 1920s & early 1930s. I am new to Roots & I'm not sure that whether you are still interested in the address & who lived there. If you are I would be willing to share what additional information that I have but I notice that last your last "chats" were in 2018. I look forward to hearing from you. David.
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Hi David
Yes I am still very interested in finding any information I can. As I mentioned my great grandfather died there but am not sure if it was actually in the house which I had assumed was 46 Ousley Road or in the actual main hospital building. As I also mentioned my mother was also born there again stating 46 Ousley Road.
But if your grandparents lived at that address between 1920-1930 how could it have been used as part of the hospital when he died in 1928?
Many thanks
Sue
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Directory listings 1934 and 1938:
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my great grandparents lived there for a number of years in the 1920s & early 1930s
Are you sure David? There are no entries for number 46 in the electoral rolls during that period.
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My Great Grandfather died on 12 February 1923 at 46 Ouseley Road, Balham. My Great Grandmother died on 6 September 1932 at the same address. This info. is from their death certificates, copies of which I have in my possession. David,
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That suggests that they both died at the hospital.
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Yes that house appears to have been part of the hospital as I said my mother was born there and my great grandfather died there. 46 Ouseley Balham.
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From this link, it does sound like the hospital was quite a collection of buildings:
https://ezitis.myzen.co.uk/stjames.html
The newspaper article on the poor fellow that fell from the window mentions he fell 30 feet (so 3 stories?), and that his nurse had put him to bed, then went to another ward, and upon returning he was gone.... so definitely a hospital setting.
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At risk of stating the obvious, every hospital and workhouse used a simple street address when notifying a birth or death. In the case of St James' Hospital, that address seems to have been 46 Ouseley Road.
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At risk of stating the obvious, every hospital and workhouse used a simple street address when notifying a birth or death. In the case of St James' Hospital, that address seems to have been 46 Ouseley Road.
Indeed - one would (in this period) need to look individuals up in electoral rolls to find out where they lived; births and deaths registered as taking place at the official hospital address are not evidence of that.
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I have been following this thread with interest as I was born at No 30 Ouseley Road in 1946. I cannot shed any light on the puzzle but to say that my Grandmother, who lived with us at No 30, died in St James' hospital in March 1949 and her death certificate simply states under place of death St James' Hospital without giving a street address. Doesn't help I know but thought I would chip in.
C
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There had been a big change by 1949: the NHS had been created and the old Poor Law healthcare culture had been swept away. So there was no longer any social stigma attached to being in a free infirmary.
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At risk of stating the obvious, every hospital and workhouse used a simple street address when notifying a birth or death. In the case of St James' Hospital, that address seems to have been 46 Ouseley Road.
Indeed - one would (in this period) need to look individuals up in electoral rolls to find out where they lived; births and deaths registered as taking place at the official hospital address are not evidence of that.
I have a death cert for someone who died in 1900 at St Mary's Hospital, Paddington. That's the address under 'When and where died', then his home address is entered with his occupation. A couple of later hospital deaths are recorded in the same way.
Come to think of it, I believe the practice of using a hospital's street address applied when it was a workhouse infirmary, and I have seen that on other certs.
Carol (Snap Shaun!)
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I have just reread the newpaper article, and the fellow that fell from the window of St. James Hospital was "of New-road, Battersea", so hopefully Suzy can find him there in a directory.
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Suzy, I have a large scale map & off the B237 St. James Drive there is marked 'Old Hospital Cl ' which could be the main entrance when St. James Hospital functioned. It looks as though entrance could be gained from 46 Ouseley Rd. & the house faced the back entrance of the hospital. It also looked that the hospital building adjoined Sarsfield Rd. Is that any help?
As far as I can ascertain my great grandparents did not live at No.46 until after the 1911 census so we will have to wait until 1921 to see if they were living there then . My great grandfather died at the house in Feb. 1923 & my grandmother died in Sept. 1932 registered in the sub-district of St.James' Hospital which is interesting, but I don't wish to cloud the issue any more!!
My great grandmother maiden name was Baker & was born in Somerset. David.
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Have you found your great grandparents in the electoral rolls, David? There was nobody recorded at 46 Ouseley Road, which is understandable as it was part of the hospital.
There's a thread on GR about this too: https://www.GenesReunited.com.au/boards/board/genealogy_chat/thread/725836
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Below is the 1939 register which shows Ouseley Road but with no 46 in it. Which would suggest that there was no one living there.
Elizabeth Perkin 42 Ouseley Road, Balham Park Road, Balham Sw Battersea Wandswor Piece 2249
Charles Forster Denny
43 Ouseley Road, Balham Park Road, Balham Sw Battersea Wandsworth Piece 2249
James Hassall France 47 Ouseley Road, Balham Park Road, Balham Sw Battersea Wandsworth Pi
William Henry Jefferie 49 Ouseley Road, Balham Park Road, Balham Sw Battersea Wandsworth
John Towers Shirly, 17 Ouseley Road, Balham Park Road Sw Battersea Wandsworth Piece
Suzy
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Ooops no not the 1939 register I meant the 1911 census!
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I have just checked the 1939 register and there is no 46 Ouseley Road recorded either.
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There are genealogy forum threads all over the internet showing people mistakenly thinking that their relatives’ home was 46 Ouseley Road, until it is pointed out that it was merely the administrative address of the hospital where they had their babies or died.
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HI! I've lived in Ouseley Road since 1956 (and still got me own teeth!) As a previous correspondant there is no 46. I know the bombing during the war hit that end of Ouseley Road, about 50 yards away are compatively new houses and flats. I'll ask a tenant who was living there when I see her. The entrance was in that area. Great iron gates. Probably pulled down house and built what is a community centre. The grand detached house, just a few yards away was owned by a surgeon who 'willed' it to the hospital. Typical NHS didnt know that fact it was derelict for a long time.
My guess is wartime bombing. Is your mother still alive?
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There are genealogy forum threads all over the internet showing people mistakenly thinking that their relatives’ home was 46 Ouseley Road, until it is pointed out that it was merely the administrative address of the hospital where they had their babies or died.
I was about to join the deluded masses and become one of those people. Then I Googled "46 Ouseley Road" and found this thread.
I am researching a family in which four consecutive children were all born at this address, which is (and now I understand why) different from the father's address given on each of the birth certificates. What confused me further is that the mother of the four children, who was the informant on all the births, also has "46 Ouseley Road" given as her place of residence.
I was wondering why the mother and father were so consistently living apart - over almost ten years - but it would make a lot more sense that the hospital on Ouseley Road was the mother's temporary place of residence while she was "lying in" after each birth, and from where the birth was registered.
That's not something I've come across before on birth certs, but it makes sense.