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Title: Looking for relatives of Charles Kershaw Redgate
Post by: Sheyo on Tuesday 20 March 18 22:13 GMT (UK)
Looking to.trace my fathers' family tree.   Can anyone.help?
Title: Re: Looking for relatives of Charles Kershaw Redgate
Post by: groom on Tuesday 20 March 18 22:18 GMT (UK)
Welcome to Rootschat.

If you need help please can you give more information - date and place of birth would help for a start (please don't give any information for people still living).

What information do you already have on the family so that people don't waste time looking for and repeating things? 
Title: Re: Looking for relatives of Charles Kershaw Redgate
Post by: Sheyo on Tuesday 20 March 18 22:27 GMT (UK)
My father was John Charles Redgate (deceased)  born 13.07.37 Icing Green Nottingham.  His father was Charles Kershaw Redgate.who married a lady called Gladys who was adopted.  They also had three daughters Maureen Joyce (deceased) and Carol. This is all the information I have unfortunately.
Title: Re: Looking for relatives of Charles Kershaw Redgate
Post by: Sheyo on Tuesday 20 March 18 22:28 GMT (UK)
Sorry I was so excited that someone replied so quickly I forgot to thank you.
Title: Re: Looking for relatives of Charles Kershaw Redgate
Post by: groom on Tuesday 20 March 18 22:31 GMT (UK)
That's okay  ;D

Here is your father's birth ( from Freebmd)

Births Sep 1937   
Redgate    John C   mother's maiden name  Coulton   
Winchester    2c   190
Title: Re: Looking for relatives of Charles Kershaw Redgate
Post by: avm228 on Tuesday 20 March 18 22:34 GMT (UK)
Yes there are also three younger sisters (J in 1940, M in 1945, C in 1954) registered in Hampshire rather than Nottingham.
Title: Re: Looking for relatives of Charles Kershaw Redgate
Post by: avm228 on Tuesday 20 March 18 22:36 GMT (UK)
John K Redgate married Gladys C Coulton in Winchester district, Dec qtr 1936.

So he was John rather than Charles?
Title: Re: Looking for relatives of Charles Kershaw Redgate
Post by: groom on Tuesday 20 March 18 22:39 GMT (UK)
John K Redgate married Gladys C Coulton in Winchester district, Dec qtr 1936.

So he was John rather than Charles?

Yes, avm - according to the free 1939 he was John born 1901.
Title: Re: Looking for relatives of Charles Kershaw Redgate
Post by: avm228 on Tuesday 20 March 18 22:40 GMT (UK)
Yes he was much older than Gladys.  I suspect he had been married before, to Barbara E Sargent in Nottingham in 1929.

She died as Barbara Ellen Redgate in Nottingham in Dec qtr 1932, aged 29.
Title: Re: Looking for relatives of Charles Kershaw Redgate
Post by: groom on Tuesday 20 March 18 22:41 GMT (UK)
Births Sep 1901

REDGATE    John Kershaw       
Nottingham    7b   435

His mother's maiden name (from the GRO site) was KERSHAW 
Title: Re: Looking for relatives of Charles Kershaw Redgate
Post by: Sheyo on Tuesday 20 March 18 22:43 GMT (UK)
Thank you so much for your help.  I was told it was Charles and I didn't know anything about my Grandmother except her name as Gladys.  As I am such a newbie please.can you tell me where I go from here?  I do not know how to search for other relatives such as John K and Gladys brothers and sisters.  I only joined this evening and have limited search and posting abilities.
Title: Re: Looking for relatives of Charles Kershaw Redgate
Post by: groom on Tuesday 20 March 18 22:44 GMT (UK)
John Kershaw Redgate's parents marriage (from Freebmd)

Marriages Jun 1883
 
KERSHAW    Matilda       
Redgate    Albert       
Nottingham    7b   429
Title: Re: Looking for relatives of Charles Kershaw Redgate
Post by: groom on Tuesday 20 March 18 22:46 GMT (UK)
I'm using these sites to find births and marriages

www.freebmd.org.uk

www.gro.gov.uk

Both are free
Title: Re: Looking for relatives of Charles Kershaw Redgate
Post by: avm228 on Tuesday 20 March 18 22:47 GMT (UK)
John K Redgate died in Nottingham, Mar qtr 1960 aged 58.
Title: Re: Looking for relatives of Charles Kershaw Redgate
Post by: Sheyo on Tuesday 20 March 18 22:51 GMT (UK)
Thank you so much.  O have learned a lot tonight.  Do you know if there is any way to trace an adopted child?
Title: Re: Looking for relatives of Charles Kershaw Redgate
Post by: keyboard86 on Tuesday 20 March 18 22:52 GMT (UK)
John Kershaw Redgate's parents marriage (from Freebmd)

Marriages Jun 1883
 
KERSHAW    Matilda       
Redgate    Albert       
Nottingham    7b   429

Matilda Kershaw married Albert Redgate 9th June 1883 Holy Trinity, Nottingham
Keyboard86
Title: Re: Looking for relatives of Charles Kershaw Redgate
Post by: avm228 on Tuesday 20 March 18 22:53 GMT (UK)
Gladys quickly remarried following Johnís death in 1960:

Gladys C Redgate married Frank Wellman Jun qtr 1960 Southampton (he died in Southampton in 1967, aged 54).

As Gladys C Wellman she then married again to a Mr Hurst, Sep qtr 1969 Southampton

She died as Gladys Christina Hurst, registered in Chesterfield, Derbyshire May 2001 (born 30 June 1914).
Title: Re: Looking for relatives of Charles Kershaw Redgate
Post by: groom on Tuesday 20 March 18 22:58 GMT (UK)
I think this is John Kershaw Redgate's family in 1901 (before he was born)

RG13; Piece: 3184; Folio: 65; Page: 5
Nottingham

Albert Redgate   39      Lace curtain maker                         Nottinghamshire
Matilda Redgate   41                                                           Ashton Under Lyme, Lancashire
Ernest Albert Redgate   13                                                   Nottinghamshire
Wallace Redgate   8                                                     Nottinghamshire
Leslie James Redgate   5                                                     Nottinghamshire
Gertrude Anne Redgate   3                                              Nottinghamshire
Title: Re: Looking for relatives of Charles Kershaw Redgate
Post by: groom on Tuesday 20 March 18 23:01 GMT (UK)
Here is the family in 1911, with John. From Family Search - another free site but you have to register


https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWSN-XLY
Title: Re: Looking for relatives of Charles Kershaw Redgate
Post by: avm228 on Tuesday 20 March 18 23:02 GMT (UK)
Gladys was born Gladys Christina Coulton, motherís maiden name Coulton in St Olave (Bermondsey) in 1914.  The birth was registered in that district in the third quarter of 1914 (July to September), volume 1d page 289.

Because there is no separate motherís maiden name it is likely she was born out of wedlock.

You can use the reference details we have given you to order her birth and marriage certificates.  Between them those two certificates should tell you who she was born to and what her circumstances were at the time of her marriage.  Order from the GRO online, for which the link has already been given at reply #12.

Legal (formal) adoption was not introduced in England until 1927, so she would not have been adopted in the modern sense as an infant, and it is likely any arrangements made were entirely informal.
Title: Re: Looking for relatives of Charles Kershaw Redgate
Post by: groom on Tuesday 20 March 18 23:06 GMT (UK)
 Just to add to the information from avm

As Gladys was born in 1914, she wouldn't have been officially adopted as that didn't start until the The Adoption of Children Act, 1926, made adoption in England and Wales a legal process from 1 January 1927. So any arrangement before that would have been unofficial and I doubt if there will be any records.

However, as she obviously knew and kept her original surname, it does look as if she knew her birth family. So you should be able to trace her mother.

(Sorry avm - did I miss the last bit or did you add it?  ;D  Same info anyway. )
Title: Re: Looking for relatives of Charles Kershaw Redgate
Post by: avm228 on Tuesday 20 March 18 23:20 GMT (UK)
Great minds (etc), groom :)
Title: Re: Looking for relatives of Charles Kershaw Redgate
Post by: Sheyo on Tuesday 20 March 18 23:37 GMT (UK)
I really can't thank you both enough. Xx
Title: Re: Looking for relatives of Charles Kershaw Redgate
Post by: groom on Tuesday 20 March 18 23:41 GMT (UK)
You're welcome. If you need any more help just ask, you will find everyone here is more than happy to help.
Title: Re: Looking for relatives of Charles Kershaw Redgate
Post by: Annette7 on Wednesday 21 March 18 01:44 GMT (UK)
There is a tree on Ancestry featuring Gladys Christina Coulton born 30/6/1914 Bermondsey - as has been posted she was illegitimate.

The tree states her mother was Caroline Ada Coulton, born 10/1/1894 Horselydown, Surrey (dau. of William George Coulton and Emily Georgina Lloyd).  The tree also shows that Gladys was brought up by her uncle Charles Henry Coulton so she was indeed brought up by family and not adopted out.   Her mother Caroline married a Frederick Charles Self in 1917.

Annette