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Beginners => Family History Beginners Board => Topic started by: Sheyo on Tuesday 20 March 18 22:13 GMT (UK)
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Looking to.trace my fathers' family tree. Can anyone.help?
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Welcome to Rootschat.
If you need help please can you give more information - date and place of birth would help for a start (please don't give any information for people still living).
What information do you already have on the family so that people don't waste time looking for and repeating things?
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My father was John Charles Redgate (deceased) born 13.07.37 Icing Green Nottingham. His father was Charles Kershaw Redgate.who married a lady called Gladys who was adopted. They also had three daughters Maureen Joyce (deceased) and Carol. This is all the information I have unfortunately.
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Sorry I was so excited that someone replied so quickly I forgot to thank you.
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That's okay ;D
Here is your father's birth ( from Freebmd)
Births Sep 1937
Redgate John C mother's maiden name Coulton
Winchester 2c 190
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Yes there are also three younger sisters (J in 1940, M in 1945, C in 1954) registered in Hampshire rather than Nottingham.
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John K Redgate married Gladys C Coulton in Winchester district, Dec qtr 1936.
So he was John rather than Charles?
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John K Redgate married Gladys C Coulton in Winchester district, Dec qtr 1936.
So he was John rather than Charles?
Yes, avm - according to the free 1939 he was John born 1901.
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Yes he was much older than Gladys. I suspect he had been married before, to Barbara E Sargent in Nottingham in 1929.
She died as Barbara Ellen Redgate in Nottingham in Dec qtr 1932, aged 29.
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Births Sep 1901
REDGATE John Kershaw
Nottingham 7b 435
His mother's maiden name (from the GRO site) was KERSHAW
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Thank you so much for your help. I was told it was Charles and I didn't know anything about my Grandmother except her name as Gladys. As I am such a newbie please.can you tell me where I go from here? I do not know how to search for other relatives such as John K and Gladys brothers and sisters. I only joined this evening and have limited search and posting abilities.
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John Kershaw Redgate's parents marriage (from Freebmd)
Marriages Jun 1883
KERSHAW Matilda
Redgate Albert
Nottingham 7b 429
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I'm using these sites to find births and marriages
www.freebmd.org.uk
www.gro.gov.uk
Both are free
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John K Redgate died in Nottingham, Mar qtr 1960 aged 58.
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Thank you so much. O have learned a lot tonight. Do you know if there is any way to trace an adopted child?
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John Kershaw Redgate's parents marriage (from Freebmd)
Marriages Jun 1883
KERSHAW Matilda
Redgate Albert
Nottingham 7b 429
Matilda Kershaw married Albert Redgate 9th June 1883 Holy Trinity, Nottingham
Keyboard86
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Gladys quickly remarried following John’s death in 1960:
Gladys C Redgate married Frank Wellman Jun qtr 1960 Southampton (he died in Southampton in 1967, aged 54).
As Gladys C Wellman she then married again to a Mr Hurst, Sep qtr 1969 Southampton
She died as Gladys Christina Hurst, registered in Chesterfield, Derbyshire May 2001 (born 30 June 1914).
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I think this is John Kershaw Redgate's family in 1901 (before he was born)
RG13; Piece: 3184; Folio: 65; Page: 5
Nottingham
Albert Redgate 39 Lace curtain maker Nottinghamshire
Matilda Redgate 41 Ashton Under Lyme, Lancashire
Ernest Albert Redgate 13 Nottinghamshire
Wallace Redgate 8 Nottinghamshire
Leslie James Redgate 5 Nottinghamshire
Gertrude Anne Redgate 3 Nottinghamshire
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Here is the family in 1911, with John. From Family Search - another free site but you have to register
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWSN-XLY
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Gladys was born Gladys Christina Coulton, mother’s maiden name Coulton in St Olave (Bermondsey) in 1914. The birth was registered in that district in the third quarter of 1914 (July to September), volume 1d page 289.
Because there is no separate mother’s maiden name it is likely she was born out of wedlock.
You can use the reference details we have given you to order her birth and marriage certificates. Between them those two certificates should tell you who she was born to and what her circumstances were at the time of her marriage. Order from the GRO online, for which the link has already been given at reply #12.
Legal (formal) adoption was not introduced in England until 1927, so she would not have been adopted in the modern sense as an infant, and it is likely any arrangements made were entirely informal.
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Just to add to the information from avm
As Gladys was born in 1914, she wouldn't have been officially adopted as that didn't start until the The Adoption of Children Act, 1926, made adoption in England and Wales a legal process from 1 January 1927. So any arrangement before that would have been unofficial and I doubt if there will be any records.
However, as she obviously knew and kept her original surname, it does look as if she knew her birth family. So you should be able to trace her mother.
(Sorry avm - did I miss the last bit or did you add it? ;D Same info anyway. )
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Great minds (etc), groom :)
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I really can't thank you both enough. Xx
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You're welcome. If you need any more help just ask, you will find everyone here is more than happy to help.
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There is a tree on Ancestry featuring Gladys Christina Coulton born 30/6/1914 Bermondsey - as has been posted she was illegitimate.
The tree states her mother was Caroline Ada Coulton, born 10/1/1894 Horselydown, Surrey (dau. of William George Coulton and Emily Georgina Lloyd). The tree also shows that Gladys was brought up by her uncle Charles Henry Coulton so she was indeed brought up by family and not adopted out. Her mother Caroline married a Frederick Charles Self in 1917.
Annette