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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Devon => Topic started by: SamuelF992 on Wednesday 21 March 18 12:12 GMT (UK)
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Hi all
William Cottey is my 4x great-grandfather and was born in Sampford Peverell around 1822. He was married to a Mary who was born around 1810 in Holcombe Rogus or a nearby village. I had assumed the Mary in question was a Mary Hellings, who is listed on a marriage register with a William Cottey in Holcombe Rogus in 1845. Most other ancestry trees also have this link. However, FindMyPast has this William marrying Charlotte Wright. Who is also listed on the marriage register on Ancestry. It's frustrating because there is indeed a Mary Hellings baptised in Tiverton in 1812 who would seem to fit the bill, but I can no longer believe she is William's wife. Can anyone help me out?
Many thanks
Samuel
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The 1845 entry in the marriages at Holcombe Regus has William Cottey marrying Charlotte Wright on 7th August.
The next entry on the register is for the marriage of Mary Hellings to John Monday which took place on 14th August 1845.
If it helps William's father was William, a farmer and Charlotte's was Daniel a Labourer. The witnesses were Samuel Wright and Elizabeth Vickers.
Emeltom
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Hi is this the family in 1851?
William COTTY
Mary 37
James
Richard 7
Tryphena 6
Mary Ann 4
Sarah 2
Maria 1
HO107/1921/613/12
Maria Cottey Sept qtr 1849 Wellington mmn AGLAND
Keyboard86
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Hi possibly a Mary Agland married a William COTTERY March qtr 1841 Tiverton v10 page 405
Keyboard86
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Hi
Looking at the new Gro index with mother's maiden name for the didtrict of Wellington Somerset Where they lived.
James Mar 1841 mother Agland
Mary Triphena June 1844 mother Hellard
Maria Sep 1844 mother Agland
Maria Sep 1849 Agland
Given the two children born 1844 ,it's two couples.
Martha Hellard married James Cottey widower of Sampford P.on the 13 Mar 1835 at Ufflculme-daughter Sarah born 5.8.1841 bapt 6 Feb 1842 Sampford P.
The 1841 census at Holcombe has William Cotty age 20 living with the Aglands ,wife Sarah 25 and James 3mths.
There is a Sarah Agland was baptised at Burlescombe 3 Dec 1815 d of James and Sarah Agland .
It looks like James remarried and he and new wife Mary are living next door.
There is no daughter Mary Agland
The son is presumably is the James Cottey baptised 11.4.1841 at Holcombe but s of William and Mary labourer.
No marriage for Mary Agland to William Cottey
I think William Cottey was baptised 26 Aug 1821 at Sampford P. s of James and Tryphenia Cottey and his wife was Sarah/Mary Agland born 1815 Burlescombe.
Siblings Ann Smith Cottey at Halberton 9.7.1820,Tryohenia 4.4.1824 SP and John Neale Cottey 12.2.1832 SP,
James Cottey of Halberton and Trphenia Neale of St Andrews Plymouth married at St Andrews Plymouth 23.3.1819.
Trphenia was buried 13.5.1832 at Sampford P.
Father James Cottey is the James Cottey who marries Martha Hellard 13.3.1835 at Ufflcumbe.
James was baptised 3.6.1804 s of James and Sarah Cottey at Sampford P and brother William father of the other William Cottey married to Charlotte Wright was baptised 27.6.1790.
Does any of that help?
Ciderdrinker
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Hi possibly a Mary Agland married a William COTTERY March qtr 1841 Tiverton v10 page 405
Keyboard86
So I suppose it would be handy if we knew who this Mary Agland married perhaps?
Keyboard86
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Thanks so much to all of you.
That 1851 census is indeed the family and I think all you've said fits in. I imagine the William Cottery marriage is indeed my William as I've seen the Cottey spelt Coatey, Cotte, Cotterell etc. The Tryphena mother makes sense too given the naming of his daughter. Interesting to get married all the way down in Plymouth!
Thanks again.
Sam
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Hi which of the children of William/Mary is your direct ancestor, have you the family from the 1851 census onwards?
Keyboard86
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Hi which of the children of William/Mary is your direct ancestor, have you the family from the 1851 census onwards?
Keyboard86
I see what you mean, mine is Richard (1843). I don't have an 1861 census for the family and by 1871 he's married and has moved on.
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Hi again, so was Richard the Richard Cotty who married Mary Ann Bryant 27th October 1867 Tiverton Cove?
Keyboard86
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Yes it was!
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Yes it was!
Have you the marriage certificate, as the parish record is odd!!
Keyboard86
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Yes it was!
Have you the marriage certificate, as the parish record is odd!!
Keyboard86
I've got the Free BMD Marriage Index transcription of the marriage, not a certificate.
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:) Well now you know the date/place of the marriage, it is just the name of both fathers that are missing on the parish record?
Have you the birth of Richard?
Keyboard86
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Richard Cottey was baptised at Holcombe Rogus on 23 April 1843, son of William & Mary.
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:) Thank you! was his birth registered?
1861 an 18 year old Richard Collery b Holcombe?
Census ref RG09/1480/98/18
Keyboard86
PS Coltey on Ancestry no *
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Hi again, a Mary Ann COLLEY 14 b Holcombe Rogus
RG09/1482/77/1?
Keyboard86
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Hi again, Tryphena COLLEY aged 16 b Holcombe on RG09/1480/94/9
Keyboard86
PS CALLEY on Ancestry no *
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Hi is this the family in 1851?
William COTTY
Mary 37
James
Richard 7
Tryphena 6
Mary Ann 4
Sarah 2
Maria 1
HO107/1921/613/12
Maria Cottey Sept qtr 1849 Wellington mmn AGLAND
Keyboard86
Here is a family to look at in 1861?
William CALLEY 39 b Sampford Beverell
Mary 48
Maria 11
John 10
Elizabeth 7
John Court 60 Boarder
All children & mother b Holcombe
Residing at West Bicknell, Tiverton
Census ref RG09/1480/95/11
Keyboard86
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Hi again, Tryphena COLLEY aged 16 b Holcombe on RG09/1480/94/9
Keyboard86
PS CALLEY on Ancestry no *
Marriage 1st November 1866 Uplowman
John Upham occ Labourer Father James occ Labourer
Tryphena Cotty Father William Cotty occ Labourer
Witnesses John Hughes & Sarah Cotty
1901 census
Mary Cotty 92 Widow
Tryphena E Upham 56 Widow
RG13/2134/66/13
Burial William Cottey 4th May 1900 Uplowman aged 77
Mary Cottey 10th January 1903 Uplowman aged 94
Tryphena Upham died June qtr 1936 Tiverton 5b 501 aged 92
Keyboard86
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Hi is this the family in 1851?
William COTTY
Mary 37
James
Richard 7
Tryphena 6
Mary Ann 4
Sarah 2
Maria 1
HO107/1921/613/12
Maria Cottey Sept qtr 1849 Wellington mmn AGLAND
Keyboard86
Here is a family to look at in 1861?
William CALLEY 39 b Sampford Beverell
Mary 48
Maria 11
John 10
Elizabeth 7
John Court 60 Boarder
All children & mother b Holcombe
Residing at West Bicknell, Tiverton
Census ref RG09/1480/95/11
Keyboard86
Sorry for the late reply. Looks interesting. Where did you find this?
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Hi located on FindMyPast shown as COLTEY on Ancestry.
Keyboard86
PS William and Mary traceable until 1901 when Mary is a Widow
John COTLEY June qtr 1851 Wellington mmn Agland
Elizabeth Cottey Sept qtr 1853 Wellington mmn Agland