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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lincolnshire => Topic started by: Mayfly663 on Wednesday 21 March 18 13:08 GMT (UK)
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Looking for info on John Dowlman born around 1850 in Fulstow Lincs. He married Mary Ann Little whose father was the miller at Waltham Windmill nr Grimsby.
I can't seem to find any details about his parents or beyond.
Any info - pointers welcome.
Pam.
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are you certain you have his y.o.b. correct?
There is a John Dowlman married Mary A Little in Dec qtr 1892
this is a possiblity for him in 1901 -and he is with his parents????
1901
Cheapside Waltham Lincs
Thomas Dowlman Head M 71 retired farmer Abbytoft Lincs
Elizabeth wife M 61 Yarborough Lincs
JOHN son M 29 oil Miller Fulstow Lincs
Mary A daughter in law M 38 Waltham Lincs
Minnie granddaughter 11 Waltham
Florrie granddaughter 11 Walthm
RG13 3097 14 19
Suz
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if I am following the correct family - Minnie and Florrie were registered with surname Little Mar qtr 1890 Caistor
John and Mary A married in 1892
there is this census -very badly written and transcribed
1891
Cheapside Waltham Lincs
Thomas Dowlman Head M 59 Farmer Mumby Lincs
Elizabeth wife 46 Yarbro Lincs
JOHN son single 20 Farmer Gawthorpe Lincs
Eliza (cannot read surname ) visitor 14 Grimsby
Minnie Little boarder 1 waltham
Florrie Little boarder 1 Waltham4RG12 2620 16
Suz
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Thanks Suz, thats helpful not sure why I didn't find them in the 1901 census.
Yep that's the family. I did get the YOB incorrect. Florrie & Minnie were twins but so I'm not sure of their paternity. I have their birth certificates and no father is named. It's some what of a mystery as they sometimes called themselves Dowlman and other times Little.
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Who is their mother? Looks like they wee illegitmate. Was mother related to the Dowlmans, or did they just take them in (sort of fostering) and then they just brought them up?
Looks like the Dowlmans brought them up, so that is why they use that name sometimes, whereas they started life with the surname Little.
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Mary Ann Little was their mother.
In the 1891 census they are called Little age 1 and John is aged 10. In the 1901 census they called Dowlman and John is down as their father aged 20, he was 10 yrs younger than Mary Ann.
I can only assume at this point that they were lodgers in 1891 and Mary Ann married the son.
Florrie was my grandmother but she died in 1930. Minnie her twin moved into the family home and brought up my mother and her 4 sisters.
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John is not listed as their father in 1901. They are recorded as grandchildren of the head of the house. That's why I asked their mothers name - in case they were children of another child of Thomas Dowlman.
But, putting it all together, it does look as if they were illegitimate children of Mary Little. She then married John Dowlman, and he took on the children.
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Mary Ann Little was their mother.
In the 1891 census they are called Little age 1 and John is aged 10. In the 1901 census they called Dowlman and John is down as their father aged 20, he was 10 yrs younger than Mary Ann.
I can only assume at this point that they were lodgers in 1891 and Mary Ann married the son.
Florrie was my grandmother but she died in 1930. Minnie her twin moved into the family home and brought up my mother and her 4 sisters.
In 1901 John is 29 and 1891 he is 20
Can you find Mary A in 1891?
John would have been old enough to be the father of Minnie & Florrie - but maybe considered too young to marry - his parents seemed to acknowledge the children as Grandchildren once John and mary A were married
Suz
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Thank you Suz. I read the 1891 transcript were it said he was 10 I can see now reading the census itself it does say 20. You could well be correct as as I know in general, being pregnant before marriage at that time wasn't frowned upon as such but giving birth out of wedlock certainly was.
I think my brain is addled today!
I never have found Mary A in 1891 but my interest has certainly been renewed today - thanks again.
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I have followed John and then his father Thomas (and GrandfatherJohn) back and it seems John had a brother Willie -
1881
Pearls Lane Wragholme Lincs
Thomas Dowlman Hed M 51 ag lab Habetoft
Elizabeth wife 41 Yarboro
Willie son 23 Fulstow
JOHN son 10 Saltfleetby
Edward Stubs servant 19 Lincs
RG11 3266 38 5
strange thing is it seems Willie was illegit!
1871 Willie 14 is described as son of Thomas (and Elizabeth) and John is 1 month old
RG10 3410 28 8
Back shortly
Suz
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1861
Marsh Chapel Lincolnshire
Elizabeth Cook Head W 42 Farmer of 120acres Lincs
Lucy Cook daughter 17 Lincs
ELIZABETH JACKLYN servant U 22 Yarboro
THOMAS DOWLMAN serv U 30 Carter Bratoft
John Croft U 17 Groom Lincs
RG9 2386 53 5
meanwhile is this Willie?
1861
William Jacklin Head M 59 ag lab
Eleanor wife 56 Horncastle
Mary E daughter 14 servant Carlton Grange
WILLIE JACKLIN grandson 3 visitor Saltfleetby All saints
another Jacklin family next door
RG9 2385 90 3
so was Willie illegit and he was with grandparents while mother Elizabeth Jacklin worked at the same place as Thomas Dowlman?
then
marriage reg Jun qtr 1961 Louth
Elizabeth Jacklin
Thomas Dowlman
7a 1057
Suz
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My latest copy of my tree was dumped yesterday when my usb drive went kaput! I do have a back up but can't seem to find my working copy of notes so need to search my old pc.
I know the name Elizabeth Jacklyn rings a bell.
Thank you so much for your efforts this has helped me greatly.