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Title: Need help with tracking RUBY REID
Post by: Gaye on Wednesday 21 March 18 22:52 GMT (UK)
 ;D

I have relative seeking help to find what happened to this lady :

Ruby Reid b.abt 1894 Dunedin
dau of Thomas Reid, Carpenter and his wife Margaret nee Ferguson

married 25 Sept 1915 Wellington (cert sighted)

- Richard Hoare b.1889
son of Edward Hoare, Basket Maker and his wife Hannah nee Gough

Daughter born 1916 Zelma Agnes Hoare m John William Nunns 1936

Divorced 1923 (conf. Papers Past)

?? Birth Reg Online BMD not found for Ruby Reid ??

Did she remarry?   When did she die??

Fingers crossed you can find the missing info.

 :-*


Title: Re: Need help with tracking RUBY REID
Post by: Beg Clonrode... on Wednesday 21 March 18 23:09 GMT (UK)
Hello...

Maybe the following death ?

1977/42052 - REID, Rubina - d.o.b 30 June 1893

Cremated at Wanganui Aramoho

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Archway has a Rubina READ married 23 Sep 1914 to a Richard HOARE with children named Zelma Agnes b.23 Dec 1914 and and Emma Olive b.10 Sep 1917.

The following link is to Richard's Army Service record at Archway (but the link seems a bit unreliable at the moment)

HOARE, Richard - WW1 75580 - Army
http://ndhadeliver.natlib.govt.nz/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE10554150 (http://ndhadeliver.natlib.govt.nz/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE10554150)

Regards
Beg
Title: Re: Need help with tracking RUBY REID
Post by: Gaye on Wednesday 21 March 18 23:19 GMT (UK)
yayyyy ;D ;D ;D ;D

thank you!

I searched for 'Ruby' only as that is what she had on the marriage cert.
and  it is definitely dated 25 Sept 1915

Daughter birth is 1916/9320  and her death is 1977

Hopefully now we can find a birth record for Rubina???  What is Archway?

Title: Re: Need help with tracking RUBY REID
Post by: Beg Clonrode... on Wednesday 21 March 18 23:36 GMT (UK)
Quote from: Gaye
What is Archway?

If the link works...

https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/AboutArchway.do (https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/AboutArchway.do)

If not...

It's the Archives NZ website

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The births/marriage dates given in the Army record and the dates given on the BDM NZ website disagree by a year. I guess you'd go by the BDM NZ website. Maybe there's a birth/marriage notice in PapersPast (https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers)

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You might need to check the Births fiche for a mention of Rubina. Her birth definitely doesn't seem to be on the BDM NZ website.

Regards
Beg
Title: Re: Need help with tracking RUBY REID
Post by: minniehaha on Thursday 22 March 18 01:36 GMT (UK)
Hello,

Is this the marriage of her parents? Or not?.......

1891/201   Margaret   Larney   Thomas   Reed



Minniehaha.

Title: Re: Need help with tracking RUBY REID
Post by: Janette on Thursday 22 March 18 03:24 GMT (UK)
Hi,

I don't see a Reid/Ferguson  marriage in NZ for her parents,could Rubina have been born overseas?

Cheers Janette
Title: Re: Need help with tracking RUBY REID
Post by: Lucy2 on Thursday 22 March 18 10:47 GMT (UK)
Hello...

Maybe the following death ?

1977/42052 - REID, Rubina - d.o.b 30 June 1893

Cremated at Wanganui Aramoho

Regards
Beg

Unfortunately not the above 1977 death.

That Rubina REID (nee JACKSON) married 1913 to Alexander David William Henry REID.

NZ Birth


1893 / 12614 - JACKSON - Rubena -- date of birth = 30 June 1893
Parents :   Catherine and Charles


   ~  Lu
Title: Re: Need help with tracking RUBY REID
Post by: Lucy2 on Thursday 22 March 18 11:00 GMT (UK)
Hello Gaye

At PapersPast, a report on the Divorce of Richard HOARE v. Ruby HOARE, states that Ruby deserted him.
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/EP19231105.2.90


*  Do you know who raised the daughters, Zelma and her sister (- seems sister's name was Esma or Esme - rather than Emma) ??

It appears that Zelma at least, attended school in the Petone (Hutt Valley) area of Wellington.
-->  "Evening Post" 12 December 1931 - Senior Free places for pupils attending night classes at Petone Technical HighSchool :  HOARE, Zelma

--> and earlier - 20 December 1929 (E/Post) ... Zelma HOARE a pupil at Petone Central School.

    ~  Lu

Title: Re: Need help with tracking RUBY REID
Post by: Lucy2 on Thursday 22 March 18 11:03 GMT (UK)
... and there is also the following newspaper notice >

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/EP19351203.2.139

ENGAGEMENTS :   (3 December 1935)

NUNNS - HOARE .... Zelma, eldest daughter of Mr. and the late Mrs. R. HOARE (Melbourne).
 ???

    ~   Lu

Added :  Snippet for Zelma - presented as a Debutante - June 1935
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/EP19350627.2.191
Title: Re: Need help with tracking RUBY REID
Post by: Lucy2 on Thursday 22 March 18 11:25 GMT (UK)
Gaye ... still looking too for the birth registration of Ruby REID.
[Am not finding her parents on electoral rolls at this stage either.  ???  ]

In the meantime >

*  On Ruby's marriage certificate, who are the person's named as witnesses, please.
[Sometimes this can be helpful in tracking other relatives of the bride or groom.]

    ~  Lu
Title: Re: Need help with tracking RUBY REID
Post by: Lucy2 on Thursday 22 March 18 12:27 GMT (UK)

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/EP19351203.2.139

ENGAGEMENTS :   (3 December 1935)

NUNNS - HOARE .... Zelma, eldest daughter of Mr. and the late Mrs. R. HOARE (Melbourne).
 ???

Mmm ... it's not terribly clear from the above notice whether "Mrs. HOARE" was in fact in Melbourne ???

Richard HOARE disappears from NZ Electoral rolls after 1928 (when he was living with his mother Hannah at Petone).
I note that he died in Melbourne (reg. at Fitzroy) in 1955.
Title: Re: Need help with tracking RUBY REID
Post by: minniehaha on Thursday 29 March 18 04:25 BST (UK)
This appears to be the marriage of the second daughter:

1937/397   Esma Olive   Hoare   Ronald Francis   Barber

Added: Cenotaph details for Ronald Francis Barber:

http://www.aucklandmuseum.com/war-memorial/online-cenotaph/record/C143382?n=ronald%20barber&ordinal=0&from=%2Fwar-memorial%2Fonline-cenotaph%2Fsearch

His death?

1970/29724   Barber   Ronald Francis   56Y


Could you please respond to Lu's request @ reply #9:

*  On Ruby's marriage certificate, who are the person's named as witnesses, please.
[Sometimes this can be helpful in tracking other relatives of the bride or groom.]



Minniehaha.
Title: Re: Need help with tracking RUBY REID
Post by: minniehaha on Thursday 29 March 18 04:42 BST (UK)
Death:

1977/42351   Nunns   Zelma Agnes   23 December 1915


Probate:

https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=23079780


Headstone photograph [& Cemetery details]:

https://wellington.govt.nz/services/community-and-culture/cemeteries/cemeteries-search/details?id=84392&serviceType=Burial&previousPage=%2fservices%2fcommunity-and-culture%2fcemeteries%2fcemeteries-search%2fresults%3fserviceType%3dAll%26firstNames%3dzelma%26lastName%3dnunns%26fromDate%3d01%252f01%252f1840%26toDate%3d29%252f03%252f2018%26cemetery%3dAll


Last name   NUNNS
First name   ZELMA AGNES
Age   61 Years
Occupation   Widow
Service provided   Burial
Burial date   17/06/1977
Cemetery   Karori
Section   ROM CATH
Plot number   338 T
Record number   84392


Minniehaha.
Title: Re: Need help with tracking RUBY REID
Post by: Gaye on Thursday 12 April 18 05:36 BST (UK)
sooooo sorry for the delay in getting back to you  :o

Meantime my niece's business associate who was my enquirer - obtained the death certificate and says it is not the one and same, RUBINA REID (parents are not the same as on the marriage cert)

So....

Witnesses on the marriage cert are Hannah Hoare (mother of bridegroom, Petone) and A G Harper, Clerk, Wellington

The Hoare family info is pretty good via FindaGrave and Geni.com



Title: Re: Need help with tracking RUBY REID
Post by: spades on Thursday 12 April 18 06:21 BST (UK)
Hi Gaye,

Can you give us a full transcription of the marriage certificate, please? The information might provide a lead.

Spades

Added: I'll remove your completed tick and return the topic to the New Zealand Board.




Title: Re: Need help with tracking RUBY REID
Post by: Gaye on Thursday 12 April 18 07:37 BST (UK)
oK Spades : here it is


Register of Marriage by Regisrar ub the District of Wellington #4605
1915

#217 25 September 1915  Richard HOARE age 24 years Scudder Bachelor Birthplace: Petone
Father : Edward Hoare Mother Hannah Hoare nee Gough
Ruby Reid age 21 years - Spinster Birthplace : Dunedin Father Thomas Reid, Carpenter Mother Margaret Reid nee Ferguson
both parties signed the regisgter
Witnesses:  Hannah Hoare mother of the bridegroom, Petone
A G Harper Clerk, Wellington
Title: Re: Need help with tracking RUBY REID
Post by: minniehaha on Thursday 12 April 18 07:51 BST (UK)
Hello Gaye,

Have you by any chance tried to climb the tree of Zelma, the daughter? By doing so, it may be possible to make contact with descendants, who could have knowledge of Ruby's birth details.

Obtaining the newspaper death notice for Zelma would be a starting point..........


Minniehaha.
Title: Re: Need help with tracking RUBY REID
Post by: Jamjar on Thursday 12 April 18 08:06 BST (UK)
Richard’s death registration:

14360 1955 HOARE Richard parents HOARE Edward and Hannah (Geogh) Place of birth TAITO NEW ZEALAND Place of death FITZROY Aged 66

I’m not seeing a death for Ruby in VIC.

Jamjar

Title: Re: Need help with tracking RUBY REID
Post by: Jamjar on Thursday 12 April 18 08:21 BST (UK)
Richard is buried Fawkner Cemetery with:

13265 1985 HOARE Alice Eliza Harriett parents HARPER William and Elizabeth Jean (Milbourn) Place of birth Launceston Tasmania Place of death Carlton Age 87

http://mapping.gmct.com.au/IntraMaps80Pub/default.htm?configId=5727481d-8484-4292-8441-bcb1d7fe80b8&layer=Location&mapkey=313148

Jamjar
Title: Re: Need help with tracking RUBY REID
Post by: Gaye on Thursday 12 April 18 08:21 BST (UK)
Minnie ... we have the descendants of Ruby Reid and her husband Richard Hoare ...

Its the info on RUBY/RUBINA and her parents Thomas Reid and Margaret nee Ferguson that is being sought now

However, very interesting to see who Richard Hoare is buried with in Fawkner - his wedding witness 'A G HARPER' might well be a cousin.  Thanks Jamjar!

:))