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Title: Tate of Wistow; Rimington of Pontefract; Todd, Turner & Wharrey of Selby
Post by: BushInn1746 on Saturday 24 March 18 17:28 GMT (UK)
Hello

John Hood & M. Slipper were each occupying a part of a House divided into two Tenements at Mill Gate, Selby in 1786 and John Hood later in 1802 (transcribed below).

The same House at Selby, divided into two Tenements changed owners in 1790. I am wondering if any of those Surnames named in the 1790 property transfer had any links to a HOOD please:-

Thomas EADON of Selby, Gentleman (looked at before).
William RIMINGTON of Pontefract, Yeoman.
Joseph TATE of Wistow, Yeoman.
John TODD of Selby, Tanner.
John TURNER of Selby, Tallow Chandler, Grocer, a Book Keeper a few years later.
John SPENCER of Selby, Grocer. (later a Gent.)
Morley WHARREY of Selby, Gentleman.

Jno Todd
Witnessed by Jno Dodsworth and John Myers.

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ADDED
Fragmenta Genealogica, Volume 12, by Frederick Arthur Crisp, page 93, has information about Morley Wharrey, the Wharrey family of Selby; Gainsborough and a Granddaughter Jane Jowitt of Pheobe Morley dying 13th of 2nd Mo. 1848 and her remains buried at Pontefract on the 18th.

The dating arrangement in the book for this Wharrey family has adopted the Quaker system, where the names of the months are not used.


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Later Transfer of Same Property

Spencer to Hembrough Indenture of Lease and Release 8 & 9th Days of October 1802.

Between John Spencer of Selby in the County of York Gentleman of the one part and Thomas Hembrough of the same place Yeoman of the other part ...
Concerning all that Messuage now used as two Dwelling Houses or Tenements with the Garth Garden or Orchard and other the premises thereto belonging situate lying and being Selby aforesaid in a certain Street there called Millgate and now in the Tenures or Occupations of John Hood and Robert Nicholson or their undertenants Together with all and Singular houses outhouses edifices buildings ways waters watercourses walls party walls easements profits advantages hereditaments and appurtenances whatsoever to the said Messuage Dwelling houses or Tenements and premises belonging or in any wise appertaining except the common right belonging to the said Messuage or Dwellinghouses which is now allotted to the said John Spencer and intended to be awarded to him and his Heirs
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Title: Re: Tate of Wistow; Rimington of Pontefract; Todd, Turner & Wharrey of Selby
Post by: BushInn1746 on Monday 26 March 18 07:25 BST (UK)
Hello

Thank you Claire for noticing that Joseph Tate married Mary Shippen in 1776 at Wistow. I agree John Hood's neighbour was possibly Shippen at Selby, not M. Slipper / Mrs Slipper.

Your Benjamin Johnson married Mary Shippen 1762, at Wistow example, shows how easily it could look like Slipper at a glance.

Joseph Tate of Wistow, Yeoman, was one of the parties (along with John Turner and Others, see above) involved in the same 1790 transfer of a House divided into 2 Tenements etc., at Selby, to John Spencer of Selby, Grocer.

This John Turner of Selby was a Tallow Chandler, Grocer and later a Book Keeper.

Mark
Title: Re: Tate of Wistow; Rimington of Pontefract; Todd, Turner & Wharrey of Selby
Post by: dobfarm on Monday 02 April 18 07:48 BST (UK)
(Wildcard)

Thomas Bell X Mary Johnson Leppent(on ?) 

marriage

1 January 1754

Scarborough, York, England

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(Hard facts event dates-probable the only fact)

(If Jane ? Bell was born 1738 it would put her aged 31 at marriage 1769.)

John Hood X Jane ? Bell

marriage

18 May 1769

Alnwick, Northumberland, England



Jane ? Hood burial -aged 65 (est born 1738) -1803 Selby The wife of John Hood mariner


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William Shippen
 
 

marriage:

26 September 1768

Wistow, York, England
 

spouse:

Elizabeth Making   ??? (Mrs Shippen- Mrs Slipper  ???)
Title: Re: Tate of Wistow; Rimington of Pontefract; Todd, Turner & Wharrey of Selby
Post by: BushInn1746 on Tuesday 03 April 18 23:06 BST (UK)
Hello All

Thank you for this dobfarm.

Claire has also just found an Arabella SLIPPER (Parents Skipwith), witnessing the marriage of William HILL & Ann WHELDRAKE a Widow at Selby in 1776.

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One of the Leppington's at Scarborough had a sibling.

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At Selby in June 1759 Elizabeth HOOD & Matthew ROW, witnessed the Marriage of Calvert TENNANT, Clerk, of Great Warley, Essex & Mrs Mary DAUNT.

Smithson TENNANT FRS was born Selby in 1761 and became a Chemist.

Discussing HOOD & ROW witnesses today we both thought simultaneously of the 1782 Will of Catherine Spencer, Wife of Scarborough, these Spencers were linked to Rowe by marriage.
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D622184

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Some other ROE links to TURNER and BLENKHORN ...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=756955.msg6450018#msg6450018

BLENKHORN was in Sarah HOOD's (nee RICHARDSON) ancestry.

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John HOOD of Scarborough, Mariner, to Sarah HAMMOND, 1778 London Marriage Bond (Saint Giles in the Fields), Bondsman was a John ROE.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=756955.msg6449908#msg6449908

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Because Charles TURNER and Maudland (nee HOOD) of Selby and baptised Scarborough, had two children recorded at Sculcoates 1797 & 1799 and John HOOD of Selby, Tanner married Sculcoates in 1846, I have been looking at the HOODs of Hull and Sculcoates and surrounding area in Census and GRO (from 1837 and 1840s).

This has unearthed at least one Hood child apparently not registered.

Hood Children registered Districts of Hull & Sculcoates, but no Mother's surname.

Also possibly two families Registering as HOOD with another Maiden surname, but no marriage found.

Mark
Title: Re: Tate of Wistow; Rimington of Pontefract; Todd, Turner & Wharrey of Selby
Post by: ..claire.. on Wednesday 04 April 18 00:26 BST (UK)
Hi dobfarm

Marriage at Scarborough Jan 1754, the bride was a LEPINGTON

claire
Title: Re: Tate of Wistow; Rimington of Pontefract; Todd, Turner & Wharrey of Selby
Post by: dobfarm on Wednesday 04 April 18 06:05 BST (UK)
Hi Claire,

(Banns or Licence ~ if given ? - occupation of John - ie:- Cooper, Mariner, Innkeeper-Tanner, or Brewer etc. ~ or if he signed the register ~ witnesses etc )

Can you find an image of the marriage below;

 John Hood X Jane  Bell

marriage

18 May 1769

Alnwick, Northumberland, England

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I can't find children baptisms post 1769 marriage around Alnwick area for this couple  ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Tate of Wistow; Rimington of Pontefract; Todd, Turner & Wharrey of Selby
Post by: ..claire.. on Wednesday 04 April 18 18:21 BST (UK)
Hi dobfarm

No other info on the marriage, can see one son John Bell born 1754 baptised 1755 then nothing.

No image that I can see for the Alnwick marriage, did you see another John Hood marriage to a Hannah Watson a few days before or after the marriage of JH to Jane Bell ? Can see no children, no burials but there is a marriage of a Jane Hood at Alnwick a few years later.

Back in Scarborough in 1774 there is an interesting marriage:

John Bell butcher married Elizabeth Danvers on the 6 November.

Both parties signed register.
Witnesses: Thomas Bell and Richard Hurd .
Title: Re: Tate of Wistow; Rimington of Pontefract; Todd, Turner & Wharrey of Selby
Post by: BushInn1746 on Wednesday 04 April 18 21:48 BST (UK)
Hi dobfarm

No other info on the marriage, can see one son John Bell born 1754 baptised 1755 then nothing.

No image that I can see for the Alnwick marriage, did you see another John Hood marriage to a Hannah Watson a few days before or after the marriage of JH to Jane Bell ? Can see no children, no burials but there is a marriage of a Jane Hood at Alnwick a few years later.

Back in Scarborough in 1774 there is an interesting marriage:

John Bell butcher married Elizabeth Danvers on the 6 November.

Both parties signed register.
Witnesses: Thomas Bell and Richard Hurd .

Hello

Thank you Claire & dobfarm

DANBY is associated with John HOOD of Nettleham, Wm HOOD of Kirkbridge and HOOD of West Firsby.


DANVERS = HOOD

DANVERS is associated with John HOOD of Bardon Park, Leicestershire. ...

page 455
But, while all this building and extension was going on, Daniel Danvers died, leaving a wife, Elizabeth, and an only son, Daniel. His wife was the daughter of John Hood, Esq., of Bardon Park, Leicestershire. The will mentions the testator's ...

John Danvers was of St Benet Fink's London.

The DANVERS were linked to London, Liverpool, Bath, Swithlands and Hornsey, had Cooperage and a Sugar House.

A reference to the STEER family.

Cf. Picton's 'History of Liverpool'


page 458
There should be an Elizabeth DANVERS [nee HOOD] Will (Somerset House), died 1757, Wife of Daniel DANVERS, Esq., of Liverpool.

See also pages 409; 456; 459; 469 and Index pages for HOOD
https://archive.org/details/memorialsofdanve00macn


Memorials of the Danvers Family (of Dauntsey and Culworth)
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=NkAIAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA455&lpg=PA455&dq=%22John+Hood%22+Danvers&source=bl&ots=ZEY6Oqn4eP&sig=LJCPRVqe-m7Io22wnZUFKuCeu7A&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwil2aDEs6HaAhUmC8AKHZBWAYoQ6AEwBHoECAIQAQ


Elizabeth DANVERS [nee HOOD] was killed at Bath, when a chimney fell at her house 14th March 1757.

Elizabeth HOOD was the Daughter of John HOOD of Bardon Park, married Mary COAPE about 1704, Daughter of Wil. COAPE of Farnoe in Derby.


HOOD DANVERS JACOMB. MS.511 & 512
John HODE of Bardon Park, co. Leic.

FAMILY TREE at pages 1138 and 1139
https://archive.org/stream/familiaeminorumg03hunt


You might not find child baptisms in Church Registers as these HOODs of Bardon were known Nonconformists. Is the Bardon Park Chapel Register online?

Mark
Title: Re: Tate of Wistow; Rimington of Pontefract; Todd, Turner & Wharrey of Selby
Post by: BushInn1746 on Wednesday 04 April 18 23:55 BST (UK)
Hello

The John HOOD & Jane marriage (above) would be too early to be Jane HOOD of Selby buried Selby 15th August 1803, who has to be a Step Mother relationship to Maudland TURNER nee Maudland HOOD, according to the 1803 Jane HOOD burial entry and the matching information in the Selby Baptism record of Charles and Mordland TURNER's first child.

Mark


Moved the other information about Mary HOOD (84 yrs) dying Sculcoates 1833, Widow of Charles HOOD to the following thread where several other HOOD families were registering births (besides HOOD nee BARRETT & GOLDIE HOOD nee BAKER) in the Hull areas from 1837 and into the 1840s:-


Thread title: 1841 census William Hood b 1820 Sutton Sculcoates Union Hull (Jenning Street)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=756357.msg6466996#msg6466996
Title: Re: Tate of Wistow; Rimington of Pontefract; Todd, Turner & Wharrey of Selby
Post by: sugarbakers on Thursday 05 April 18 16:34 BST (UK)
Mark

If you wish to go further with the Danvers connection, you'll find a summary of Daniel Danvers will 1746 at  www.mawer.clara.net/willsA.html#danvers  and all sorts of Danvers info on the database at  www.mawer.clara.net/sugardd.html .

The Google books links are good, though the book is available as Print-on-Demand from Abebooks from any price from reasonable to silly.

The Danvers name is important in the sugar refining business.  Along with Cleveland and Smith they took sugar refining from London to Liverpool soon after the Great Fire of London.  www.mawer.clara.net/loc-westldn.html
Title: Re: Tate of Wistow; Rimington of Pontefract; Todd, Turner & Wharrey of Selby
Post by: BushInn1746 on Friday 06 April 18 01:18 BST (UK)
Mark

If you wish to go further with the Danvers connection, you'll find a summary of Daniel Danvers will 1746 at  www.mawer.clara.net/willsA.html#danvers  and all sorts of Danvers info on the database at  www.mawer.clara.net/sugardd.html .

The Danvers name is important in the sugar refining business.  Along with Cleveland and Smith they took sugar refining from London to Liverpool soon after the Great Fire of London.  www.mawer.clara.net/loc-westldn.html

Hello sugarbakers

Thank you, what some fantastic sites you have linked to!!

I have an original early 18th Century document with reference to a property called the Sugar House at Selby, Yorkshire.

The Richard Pearson of Selby Will 1724 indicates Pearson had property in the Kingdom of Ireland and Selby Yorkshire.

Richard Peirson's Indenture describes a Capital Dwelling House by the sounds of it, at Ousegate, Selby with Barn, Stable, Malt Kiln, Horse Mill, Garth Garden or Orchard with rights to the Commons, common of pasture, ways, water courses, profitts, commodities ... abutting on the Church Dam and the House of Francis Walmesley Esq., called the Suger House ...

Mark
Title: Re: Tate of Wistow; Rimington of Pontefract; Todd, Turner & Wharrey of Selby
Post by: BushInn1746 on Friday 06 April 18 12:07 BST (UK)
Regarding TATE and HOOD

26 February 1809 Selby Parish Register
At the Wedding of

Richard BATHWICK or Richard BORTHWICK of Howden Parish, Sadler, married Ann WARD of Selby, by Licence.

The Witnesses were reputed to be:-

Amelia TATE
Wm HOOD


I will order the Marriage Intention & Bond and see if HOOD is on that & what it says.
Title: Re: Tate of Wistow; Rimington of Pontefract; Todd, Turner & Wharrey of Selby
Post by: BushInn1746 on Friday 06 April 18 12:08 BST (UK)
Regarding TATE and HOOD

26 February 1809 Selby Parish Register
At the Wedding of

Richard BATHWICK or Richard BORTHWICK of Howden Parish, Sadler, married Ann WARD of Selby, by Licence.

The Witnesses were reputed to be:-

Amelia TATE
Wm HOOD
Title: Re: Tate of Wistow; Rimington of Pontefract; Todd, Turner & Wharrey of Selby
Post by: sugarbakers on Friday 06 April 18 15:23 BST (UK)
Thank you, Mark. Interested as to why it was called the Suger House. Certainly no mention of sugar refining in Selby anywhere I've looked over the years, though of course no reason why not ... just an extension of the trade in Hull and Goole (but earlier !).
Seems, as you say, to be the name of the house/dwelling, which makes me wonder if there was a Walmesley connection to sugar that I've not found yet. Maybe good money was being made from an investment in a (London) refinery, or maybe there was a plantation connection perhaps through the Lancashire side of the family.
Can find nothing useful yet, but will keep looking.
Thank you.
Bryan
Title: Re: Tate of Wistow; Rimington of Pontefract; Todd, Turner & Wharrey of Selby
Post by: BushInn1746 on Saturday 07 April 18 21:44 BST (UK)
Hello Bryan

I don't know why it was called the Suger house and Sugar House in the next deed, when this adjacent house changed hands again.

I am aware from 1778 newspapers and the Five Volume 1791 Universal British Directory (Volume 1) that Selby was mentioned by at least two London Wharves. One being the Gun and Shot Wharf at Southwark, with regular sailings to Selby and York.

Image here
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=731922.msg5769089#msg5769089

Mark
Title: Re: Tate of Wistow; Rimington of Pontefract; Todd, Turner & Wharrey of Selby
Post by: sugarbakers on Sunday 08 April 18 14:51 BST (UK)
Mark

There was refining in Hull and York at that time (c1700) so no reason there not to be in Selby, but I can't find any reference to it, nor to a working sugarhouse. Assuming your document is referring to the site for Richard Pearson's Corunna House, the house to the east of that doesn't look old enough to be the Sugar House of the Walmesley family, so lost to history.
Thank you for the ref to Selby the port, which points to Walmesley (or those who owned the house before him, maybe) trading in sugar via the Ouse.
Will keep eyes open for anything more.

Bryan
Title: Re: Tate of Wistow; Rimington of Pontefract; Todd, Turner & Wharrey of Selby
Post by: BushInn1746 on Sunday 08 April 18 19:11 BST (UK)
Hello Bryan

Where did you get Corunna House from, please?

I have read that Selby was classed by some as a Western jurisdiction under the Port of Hull.

They were obviously brewing, due to reference of a Malt Kiln.

I expect they were fermenting wines etc. too, I understand a process which requires sugar.

Mark
Title: Re: Tate of Wistow; Rimington of Pontefract; Todd, Turner & Wharrey of Selby
Post by: BushInn1746 on Sunday 08 April 18 19:21 BST (UK)
Hello

Thank you Bryan, I've found it and more information. (Amended).


Corunna House

"A gentlemans house of circa 1720, built for Richard Pearson. The building became a school in the 1850's and remained so for the next 70 years or so."

http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/1854038


What a beautiful house, it says in later documentation that the house was a Capital Messuage or Tenement. Capital in this case usually means a principal house. The house passed to Firman.

Then mid 18th Century there is a Lease Thomas Firman of Selby to James Dobson of London Gentleman.


Richard PIERSON

http://landedestates.nuigalway.ie:8080/LandedEstates/jsp/search.jsp?q=Pierson

FIRMAN
http://landedestates.nuigalway.ie:8080/LandedEstates/jsp/estate-show.jsp?id=3499

"(Estate) Firman - Thomas Firman of Selby, Yorkshire and of Dublin city inherited the estates of Richard Pierson. His son, John Firman, was "of Ballinderry and Arranhill, county Tipperary". John Firman's estate was valued at £600 in the mid 1770s (Kilboy Papers). John Firman's two sons were Thomas Pierson Firman of Firmount who married a Yorkshire heiress and Richard Flood Firman of Slevoir. The Firman family were related through marriage with the Smith family of Milford and the Biggs family of Castle Biggs.The representatives of Thomas P. Firman held an estate in the parishes of Borrisokane and Terryglass, barony of Lower Ormond, county Tipperary, in the mid 19th century. In May 1852 the Firmount estate, barony of Lower Ormond and the lands of Grange and Clohane, barony of Eliogarty, over 1,300 acres in total, were advertised for sale and appear to have been bought by the Hickies and Delanys. In July 1862 the estate of the administrator of William Firman,, deceased, at Muckloon "now called Firmount", 85 acres in the barony of Lower Ormond, was advertised for sale. The Irish Times reports its purchase in trust for Samuel D. Biggs."

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My George HOOD of Selby is supposed to have COOK and PEARSON connections.

Mark
Title: Re: Tate of Wistow; Rimington of Pontefract; Todd, Turner & Wharrey of Selby
Post by: sugarbakers on Sunday 08 April 18 19:49 BST (UK)
Yes, that's it. Also ...

Corunna House

Listing ... https://www.britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/101132559-corunna-house-selby#.WsoWkmaZMlk

Plaque ... https://scs.statementcms.com/uploads/selby_civic_society/images/Corunna2.jpg

Street View ... https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@53.7848735,-1.0653317,3a,75y,236.84h,99.14t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sjVJYlLPrtdMCtwQBpabvfA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

Bryan
Title: Re: Tate of Wistow; Rimington of Pontefract; Todd, Turner & Wharrey of Selby
Post by: BushInn1746 on Wednesday 04 July 18 20:25 BST (UK)
Mark

If you wish to go further with the Danvers connection, you'll find a summary of Daniel Danvers will 1746 at  www.mawer.clara.net/willsA.html#danvers  and all sorts of Danvers info on the database at  www.mawer.clara.net/sugardd.html .

The Danvers name is important in the sugar refining business.  Along with Cleveland and Smith they took sugar refining from London to Liverpool soon after the Great Fire of London.  www.mawer.clara.net/loc-westldn.html

Hello sugarbakers

Thank you, what some fantastic sites you have linked to!!

I have an original early 18th Century document with reference to a property called the Sugar House at Selby, Yorkshire.

The Richard Pearson of Selby Will 1724 indicates Pearson had property in the Kingdom of Ireland and Selby Yorkshire.

Richard Peirson's Indenture describes a Capital Dwelling House by the sounds of it, at Ousegate, Selby with Barn, Stable, Malt Kiln, Horse Mill, Garth Garden or Orchard with rights to the Commons, common of pasture, ways, water courses, profitts, commodities ... abutting on the Church Dam and the House of Francis Walmesley Esq., called the Suger House ...

Mark

Good Evening

I am excited about some new information this afternoon, because my late Grandmother who died 30 years ago also discussed with us as children raw sugar from cane, refining and also Tate & Lyle sugar refiners were mentioned, who I discovered formed much later. I have mentioned before the Fleur de Lis, being discussed and notice some Fleur de Lis, were linked to the Spencer name.

My other Grandfather (Mum's side) even got a Jamaican Lady, a friend of the family to bring over cylindrical sticks of sugar they sold in Jamaica and we also tasted semi liquid sugar, or a product of sugar, which I seem to recall tasted a bit like Liquorice.

I read on the Web this evening that many Masters and Mariners at Scarborough were Quakers and another John Jefferson being in prison in the 17th Century, for his Quaker beliefs.

I previously noticed the Bondsman of John Hood, Mariner of Scarborough, was John Jefferson, Mariner of Scarborough and to my shock discovered this 1734 - 1735 Fire Policy online ...

"John Jefferson, of Scarborough in the County of York Canyer hath paid the Sum of Six Shillings to the Society of the Sun Fire-Office in London ... for Insurance from Loss or Damage by Fire, on His Brick and Tile House only in Black Fryer Gate otherwise the Beast Market in Scarborough aforesaid not yet inhabited being not quite finished but intended for his own Dwelling House not exceeding Two hundred Pounds, And on His Household Goods and furniture therein only and not elsewhere not exceeding One hundred Pound"

I am almost certain that a Canyer was a Sugar Cane Merchant?

I have mentioned recently regarding both sides of the Selby, HOOD gap, that both the Hood-Turner and Hood-Russell family descendants have both married into the GRUBB family and some suggestion from a middle child's name, that these GRUBBs may be linked.

I feel the odds are stacking up in favour of John Hood of Selby, Mariner (late of Scarborough) as being a relation at least.

Thank you, Mark


See also next reply for extract of Fire Certificate.
Title: Re: Tate of Wistow; Rimington of Pontefract; Todd, Turner & Wharrey of Selby
Post by: BushInn1746 on Wednesday 04 July 18 20:26 BST (UK)
Link to full document, what a lovely document with this kind of detail on!

https://davislibrary.wordpress.com/2012/07/12/featured-archive-for-july-2012-john-jefferson-of-scarborough-in-the-county-of-york/


The Three Fleur de Lis, are linked to some Yorkshire Spencers - Richard Spencer, Merchant, born at Leeds 1st February 1662. Buried 13th February 1690, Son of Nathaniel Spencer, (Arms in Selby Abbey).

Title: Re: Tate of Wistow; Rimington of Pontefract; Todd, Turner & Wharrey of Selby
Post by: sugarbakers on Wednesday 04 July 18 21:03 BST (UK)
Lovely documents, but I think the second one says Carryer. The 'r's are slightly rounded, whilst the 'n' is sharp and pointed (see County, three words back). I've never heard the word canyer regarding sugar cane.
Title: Re: Tate of Wistow; Rimington of Pontefract; Todd, Turner & Wharrey of Selby
Post by: BushInn1746 on Wednesday 04 July 18 21:37 BST (UK)
Hello

Would he not, be more than a Carrier / Carryer with a House valued at £200 in 1734?

I see both. Could be a Shipping Carryer.

The Policy is limiting his insurance to his Scarborough House, suggesting he might have a house elsewhere, perhaps abroad?

Canyer, Cane and Sugar Cane from this ...
canya de sucre

Mark
Title: Re: Tate of Wistow; Rimington of Pontefract; Todd, Turner & Wharrey of Selby
Post by: BushInn1746 on Thursday 05 July 18 09:50 BST (UK)
Hello

21st September 1778

William Brooke, in Selby, along with others in Yorkshire, have got a set of Ships together to sail to Messrs Perkins and Robinson, Wharfingers, at the Gun and Shot Wharfe, Southwark.

The Ships and Masters were:-

This Set of Ships Consist of
The York Union, Captain, John Jefferson.
Industry, Robert Jefferson.
Rippon, Philip Thompson. 
Ouse, John Coulman.
Bedale, Richard Hinsleff.
Brothers, John Hood.
Nidd, Will. Stephenson.
Selby, Joseph Dean.
Rochdale, --------------------

Interesting to see John Jefferson and John Hood in the same list as Captains, with an Agent in Selby. It looks like they have formed some type of consortium.

The image is attached to initial post here ...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=731922.msg5769089#msg5769089

Mark
Title: Re: Tate of Wistow; Rimington of Pontefract; Todd, Turner & Wharrey of Selby
Post by: sugarbakers on Thursday 05 July 18 11:03 BST (UK)
So (shipping) carryer seems appropriate.

He may well have transported raw sugar, but not cane - it deteriorated very fast once cut, hence the production of raw sugar on the plantation or nearby.
Title: Re: Tate of Wistow; Rimington of Pontefract; Todd, Turner & Wharrey of Selby
Post by: BushInn1746 on Thursday 05 July 18 11:30 BST (UK)
Thank you Sugarbakers, so Sugar Cane in its raw form wouldn't last anyway.

Carryer / Carrier in Shipping likely.

Canya (Cane) is related to the Catalonian (an area of Spain) language. Claimed to be vulgar Latin (not checked).

But the word Cane, as an occupation wouldn't make sense on its own.

Claire tells me there is a Will for a John Jefferson died 1765 at the Borthwick, York.

I will order a copy of the Will Bundle and see what it says.

Mark
Title: Re: Tate of Wistow; Rimington of Pontefract; Todd, Turner & Wharrey of Selby
Post by: BushInn1746 on Friday 06 July 18 11:50 BST (UK)
Hello

21st September 1778

William Brooke, in Selby, along with others in Yorkshire, have got a set of Ships together to sail to Messrs Perkins and Robinson, Wharfingers, at the Gun and Shot Wharfe, Southwark.

The Ships and Masters were:-

This Set of Ships Consist of
The York Union, Captain, John Jefferson.
Industry, Robert Jefferson.
Rippon, Philip Thompson. 
Ouse, John Coulman.
Bedale, Richard Hinsleff.
Brothers, John Hood.
Nidd, Will. Stephenson.
Selby, Joseph Dean.
Rochdale, --------------------

 ...

The image is attached to initial post here ...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=731922.msg5769089#msg5769089

Mark


Hello

Searching for HOOD, the Mariner / Master from & to Hull and finding a few more circa 1785 (around the time George Hood would have been born).

According to the 6 February 1780 Letter from Burton & Taylor, Hull to William Martin, Wakefield, Aire and Calder Navigation correspondence, it does state, Bedale, J. Hood, arrived yesterday from London.

Re Hood in February 1780, also found the following:-
HULL, February 12,
Coasters Arrived. ...
; Bedale, Hood , Galeston, Stamford ;

So J. Hood / Hood had been out again and arrived back at Hull, on the 12th February.


19 March 1782 Leeds Intelligencer
HULL, March 16.
COASTERS ARRIVED.  Amity, Harrow ; Industry, Hood ; George, Woodhouse ; John and Mary, Jones, and Queen, Meggitt, from London. Henry, Walton, fr. Plymouth.


27th September 1785, Leeds Intelligencer
HULL, September 22.
COASTERS ARRIVED. ... ; Industry, Hood, from London.


23rd May 1786, Leeds Intelligencer
HULL, May 20.
Coasters Sailed. ... ; Industry, Hood ; ... for London.


22nd August 1786, Leeds Intelligencer
HULL, August 19.
Coasters Arrived. ... ; Industry, Hood ; ... from London.


31st October 1786, Leeds Intelligencer
HULL, October 28.
Coasters Arrived. ... ; Jane, Hood ; ... from London.


26 December 1786 Leeds Intelligencer
HULL, December 21.
Coasters Sailed. ...
Leeds Packet, Hood ; ... for London.


29 December 1786 Stamford Mercury
HULL, Dec. 22.
Coasters Sailed. ...
Leeds Packet, Hood ; ... for London.


Sheffield Register, Yorkshire, ... Universal Advertiser 3 May 1788
Ship News.
HULL.
Sailed. ...
Centurion, Hood ; ... all for Petersburgh, with horses, ale, mahogany, woollen drapery, earthen and ironmongers ware, & c.


Sheffield Register, Yorkshire, ... Universal Advertiser 28 March 1789
SHIP NEWS.
HULL.
Arrived. ... COASTERS. ... Centurion, Hood ; ... all from London.


There are some Mariner records at Hull and we hope to have a second visit there, as the River up to Selby from Hull, once came under the jurisdiction of HULL.


I'll keep searching, Mark
Title: Re: Tate of Wistow; Rimington of Pontefract; Todd, Turner & Wharrey of Selby
Post by: sugarbakers on Friday 06 July 18 14:24 BST (UK)
Mark

Yes, such coasters could have been carrying raw sugar from London for Hull (much earlier for York, and later for Goole), and refined sugar in the form of sugar loaves from London, and maybe Hull, for almost any town/port they visited.

Don't forget to check Beverley Archives ... I've found great info there for both Hull and Goole.
Title: Re: Tate of Wistow; Rimington of Pontefract; Todd, Turner & Wharrey of Selby
Post by: BushInn1746 on Sunday 08 July 18 16:35 BST (UK)
Hello

According to the Yorkshire newspapers under Hull in September and October 1786, Hood is sailing the "Jane" to and from London. Staniland is also sailing a "Jane" from London


19th September 1786, Leeds Intelligencer 
HULL, September 16. 
Coasters Arrived. ... ; Jane, Staniland ; ... from London. 
Coasters Sailed. ... Halifax, Staniland, for London.


3rd October 1786, Leeds Intelligencer 
HULL, September 30.
Coasters Sailed. ... ; Jane, Hood ; Adventure, Smeaton ; and Nottingham, Wilkinson, for London. 


31st October 1786, Leeds Intelligencer 
HULL, October 28. 
Coasters Arrived. ... ; Jane, Hood ; ... from London. 


Some information about Staniland of Selby here.

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=1X8uAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA107&lpg=PA107&dq=%22Samuel+Staniland%22+1799+Selby&source=bl&ots=3iJR7G3kfG&sig=n7xwdwpB3Et0qPsaJxGpqpEPick&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiVuJ2S5I_cAhXHBsAKHXxGAzkQ6AEwAnoECAUQAQ

Selby Abbey
On one of the pillars.
Adjacent
Lie the remains of
Thomas Staniland of Selby, ship owner
Who died the 6th day of January, 1799,
aged 34 years.

Also, Samuel Staniland of Selby, Mariner,
Father of the above, who departed
this life the 21st day of April, 1800.
Aged 60 years.

Likewise Jonathan Staniland, ship owner,
son of the above named Samuel, who
died the 24th day of Sept. 1802.
Aged 42 years.

Also, Dinah the wife of Samuel Staniland,
and mother of Thomas and Jonathan
who died the 27th day of April, 1809.
Aged 69 years.

A vault at the foot of the same pillar contains the remains of:-
Stephen Staniland, Esq. who died suddenly Nov. 9th, 1834,
Aged 62 years'


Interesting that a Staniland and Pearson were Executors in Trust to a Collinson
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=783146.0

Mark
Title: Re: Tate of Wistow; Rimington of Pontefract; Todd, Turner & Wharrey of Selby
Post by: BushInn1746 on Monday 09 July 18 11:09 BST (UK)
Hello

Hood (from 1788) and also a Godmond are sailing in the "Centurion" from Hull to Petersburg and London to Petersburg.

The Trade and Shipping of Eighteenth Century Hull
Petersburg in Russia ...
http://www.eylhs.org.uk/dl/89/trade-and-shipping-of-eighteenth-century-hull

Hopefully, some records at Hull
http://humanities.exeter.ac.uk/includes/centres/cmhs/ELMAP/location.php?loc_id=42


I wonder if Jane Hood (apparently Ioanna in Russia) was Russian?


Stamford Mercury, 5th October 1787
The dock company at Hull, have agreed to form a new dock, spacious enough to contain sixty ships.


Sheffield Register … , 3rd May 1788
HULL
; Centurion, Hood ; … all for Petersburgh, with horses, ale, mahogany, woollen-drapery, earthen and ironmongers ware, & c.


Stamford Mercury, 5th September 1788
HULL, Sept. 1.
Centurion, Hood, for Petersburgh, with woollendrapery, coton stuffs, earthenware, lead, &c. Cave, Jubb, for Riga, with earthenware.


Newcastle Courant, 27th September 1788
Sound List from the 6th to the 13th inst.
Ships      & Captains From      To         Loading
Centurion,    Hood     Hull Petersburgh Goods
Eliza,          Gallilee London   Riga        Ballast


Stamford Mercury, 28th August 1789
HULL, August 24.
Lvde, Birch ; Air Balloon, Metcalf ; Jane and Mary, Merchant ; Amity, Graham ; Henry, Strachan ; and Centurion, Hood, all from Petersburg, with deals, iron & c.


I should have some detailed copies soon I hope around the time of George Hood's birth 1785 to 1787, Mark
Title: Re: Tate of Wistow; Rimington of Pontefract; Todd, Turner & Wharrey of Selby
Post by: BushInn1746 on Monday 09 July 18 12:32 BST (UK)
Hello

Extract from Lloyds Register 1789 indicates Captain Hood in the newspapers, was J. HOOD.

Column 1, S = Centurion was a Ship. s = sheathed.
Column 3, SDB = Single Deck with Beams.
Column 4, Surveying Port = Scarbr. rp = repairs.
Column 7, contains the Feet of the Draught of Water When Loaded.
Hl = Hull [Hull - Petersburg]

The Owner / Shipping Agent, is Hewson & Co. of Hull.


Hewson & Co., Hull, had a Ship seized by the French in 1784.

St. James's , July 17th 1784
List of Hostages for English Ransoms, detained in French Prisons.
 ...
Name of Ship and Captain, Good Will - Clifford.
Owner, Hewson and Co. Hull.
Captors, Le Jeune Dunkerquoise - Mulenaer.
Ransom Demanded, 750 Guineas.

Mark
Title: Re: Tate of Wistow; Rimington of Pontefract; Todd, Turner & Wharrey of Selby
Post by: BushInn1746 on Sunday 15 July 18 08:11 BST (UK)
Hello

Hood (from 1788) and also a Godmond are sailing in the "Centurion" from Hull to Petersburg and London to Petersburg.
 ...


Sheffield Register … , 3rd May 1788
HULL
; Centurion, Hood ; … all for Petersburgh, with horses, ale, mahogany, woollen-drapery, earthen and ironmongers ware, & c.


Stamford Mercury, 5th September 1788
HULL, Sept. 1.
Centurion, Hood, for Petersburgh, with woollendrapery, coton stuffs, earthenware, lead, &c. Cave, Jubb, for Riga, with earthenware.


Newcastle Courant, 27th September 1788
Sound List from the 6th to the 13th inst.
Ships      & Captains From      To         Loading
Centurion,    Hood     Hull Petersburgh Goods
Eliza,          Gallilee London   Riga        Ballast


Stamford Mercury, 28th August 1789
HULL, August 24.
Lvde, Birch ; Air Balloon, Metcalf ; Jane and Mary, Merchant ; Amity, Graham ; Henry, Strachan ; and Centurion, Hood, all from Petersburg, with deals, iron & c.



Hello

Because GODMOND was sailing the "Centurion" out of Hull, with a J. HOOD, late 1780s, I have been searching the surname GODMOND and noticed two GODMOND children have middle surnames, one being GIBSON and the other COLLINSON (both not checked).

Christopher Gibson GODMOND bapt. 1793 Holy Trinity, Hull;
Parents, Christopher GODMOND & Elizabeth.

Mary Collinson GODMOND bapt. 21 February 1815 St Margaret, Lee, Kent;
Parents, Christopher GODMOND & Mary

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Christopher Godmond Pickering, mentioned in a Gibson thread here ...
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=356070.msg2336169#msg2336169

Comment
John Pickering married Mary Hannah GODMOND 26 March 1815, H. T., Hull, (F. S. not checked),
if correct, Mother of Christopher Godmond Pickering (bapt. 1816), can't be Jane Gibson.

 ----------

Christopher Godmond, Wharfinger, of Hull, bankrupt 1796

Mark
Title: Re: Tate of Wistow; Rimington of Pontefract; Todd, Turner & Wharrey of Selby
Post by: BushInn1746 on Tuesday 17 July 18 22:42 BST (UK)

 ...

27th September 1785, Leeds Intelligencer
HULL, September 22.
COASTERS ARRIVED. ... ; Industry, Hood, from London.


23rd May 1786, Leeds Intelligencer
HULL, May 20.
Coasters Sailed. ... ; Industry, Hood ; ... for London.


22nd August 1786, Leeds Intelligencer
HULL, August 19.
Coasters Arrived. ... ; Industry, Hood ; ... from London.


31st October 1786, Leeds Intelligencer
HULL, October 28.
Coasters Arrived. ... ; Jane, Hood ; ... from London.


26 December 1786 Leeds Intelligencer
HULL, December 21.
Coasters Sailed. ...
Leeds Packet, Hood ; ... for London.


29 December 1786 Stamford Mercury
HULL, Dec. 22.
Coasters Sailed. ...
Leeds Packet, Hood ; ... for London.


Sheffield Register, Yorkshire, ... Universal Advertiser 3 May 1788
Ship News.
HULL.
Sailed. ...
Centurion, Hood ; ... all for Petersburgh, with horses, ale, mahogany, woollen drapery, earthen and ironmongers ware, & c.


Sheffield Register, Yorkshire, ... Universal Advertiser 28 March 1789
SHIP NEWS.
HULL.
Arrived. ... Centurion, Hood ; ... all from London.


Hello

Muster Rolls - Copied into Volumes by Trinity House, Hull 1784 to 1790
These give Ages, Place of Birth and Abode.

John HOOD, Master Mariner, born Scarborough
According to all the Muster Rolls, John Hood, Master of the "Industry" to and from London 1784 - 1786 was born Scarbro' about 1740 and his Abode was recorded as either Hull or Selby until 1786.

John HOOD, Master Mariner, born Selby [? See ***]
According to the Muster Rolls, John Hood, Master of the "Centurion" to and from Petersburgh 1788 to 1790 was born Selby about 1739 to 1743 and his Abode was Hull (April 1788 & 1790) and Selby (Sept. 1788).
Selby was entered as Birthplace when John Hood first sailed the "Centurion" 1788.

ADDED:  *** I suspect the John HOOD, Master of the "Centurion" born Selby, is an error. ***
John HOOD has not personally signed the April 1788 Muster Roll, it has been signed on his behalf by Thos HEWSON and then John Hood's Birth left blank in following Musters 1788 to 1790.

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Looks like John Hood the husband of Jane Hood (Jane Hood buried Selby August 1803) and "Wife of John Hood of Selby, Mariner", was born at Selby, or the place of Birth in the copy Muster of the "Centurion" was wrong.

No clue in the Musters who Jane Hood was (buried Selby in August 1803), nor where she was born, could even be from Petersburgh?

Mark
Title: Re: Tate of Wistow; Rimington of Pontefract; Todd, Turner & Wharrey of Selby
Post by: BushInn1746 on Wednesday 18 July 18 00:16 BST (UK)
Further to the Above

The Master of the "Centurion" overlapping and prior to John Hood was Isaac GODMOND born Hull.

 ----------

There is a death Notice aged 74 in 1809, for a Rev. Isaac Godmond, at Ripon.

Page 477 left-hand column
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=nukRAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA477&lpg=PA477&dq=

 ----------

"York" Geo NEWBY from London
20th May 1783
Geo Newby, Mas'r Born York, Abode York, age 47.

Two of his crew:-
Wm RUSSELL, Seam', Born SELBY, Abode SELBY, age 24.
Benj'm RUSSELL, Serv't, Born SELBY, Abode YORK, age 22.

Mark
Title: Re: Tate of Wistow; Rimington of Pontefract; Todd, Turner & Wharrey of Selby
Post by: dobfarm on Wednesday 18 July 18 02:50 BST (UK)
deleted.

Title: Re: Tate of Wistow; Rimington of Pontefract; Todd, Turner & Wharrey of Selby
Post by: BushInn1746 on Wednesday 18 July 18 09:13 BST (UK)

Hello

Muster Rolls - Copied into Volumes by Trinity House, Hull 1784 to 1790
These give Ages, Place of Birth and Abode.

John HOOD, Master Mariner, born Scarborough
According to all the Muster Rolls, John Hood, Master of the "Industry" to and from London 1784 - 1786 was born Scarbro' about 1740 and his Abode was recorded as either Hull or Selby until 1786.


Hello

I suspect the place of "Birth" "Selby" of John HOOD, Master of the "Centurion" in April 1788, is an error.

Where the copy signatures for the "Centurion" are, it says:-
a) Mr Hood and has been signed by Thos Hewson.
b) John Hood's age is fluctuating too much on the "Centurion" 1788 to 1790, as though Hewson is guessing.
c) Subsequent Muster Rolls of the "Centurion also signed by Hewson, have left HOOD's birthplace blank.

So John HOOD didn't fill in the Muster Roll of the "Centurion", it has been filled in by someone guessing John Hood's age & signed by the Thos Hewson (on HOOD's behalf), likely of Hewson & Co., Hull.

The Abode of John Hood is either given as Hull or Selby, in all the Muster Rolls.

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John HOOD, Master, will be the same as John HOOD, Master, of the "Industry" born Scarborough, who was also living at both Hull and Selby. The age of John HOOD, Master of the "Industry" is going up by one year, the following year and John Hood has been entered as signing these earlier Muster Rolls.

Mark
Title: Re: Tate of Wistow; Rimington of Pontefract; Todd, Turner & Wharrey of Selby
Post by: BushInn1746 on Saturday 21 July 18 19:35 BST (UK)
Hello

I have posted some Ship Muster & Payments Book snippets here, relating to John Hood of Selby, born Scarborough:-

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=731922.msg6541301#msg6541301

Mark
Title: Re: Tate of Wistow; Rimington of Pontefract; Todd, Turner & Wharrey of Selby
Post by: BushInn1746 on Wednesday 05 September 18 21:41 BST (UK)
...

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One of the Leppington's at Scarborough had a sibling. *

 -----------

John HOOD of Scarborough, Mariner, to Sarah HAMMOND, 1778 London Marriage Bond (Saint Giles in the Fields), Bondsman was a John ROE.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=756955.msg6449908#msg6449908

 ----------
 ...


Hello All

I have got a copy of that John Hood of Scarborough, Mariner, Widower & Sarah Hammond, Widow, Marriage at St Giles in the Fields, 1778 (Anc. has it under Camden in the listing, then St Giles).

But everything I touch re my George Hood quest is a disaster!

How about this for the two witness signatures?

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=799830.msg6573362#msg6573362

Thank you, Mark

(* there was also a Mary Johnson Leppington (1754) )
Title: Re: Tate of Wistow; Rimington of Pontefract; Todd, Turner & Wharrey of Selby
Post by: dobfarm on Thursday 06 September 18 05:47 BST (UK)
Widow Sarah Hammond ?

Could her maiden name a Cook or Pearson  or others surnames on your list.

A second, or third time widow of a few deceased husband mariners who died at sea or  ill health disease of the time.  :-\
Title: Re: Tate of Wistow; Rimington of Pontefract; Todd, Turner & Wharrey of Selby
Post by: BushInn1746 on Thursday 06 September 18 15:03 BST (UK)
Hello

Thank you dobfarm. If only I knew.

Whilst on a Roll (pardon the pun) with these Vessel Musters, we'll have a look at the earlier Scarborough Muster Rolls (from 1747) next, to see if I can get a Birthplace for George Hood, Mariner, who married Maudlin Spencer.

George Hood of Scarborough, Mariner, might not be born Scarborough and there might be a Hood family with descendants elsewhere, that can be brought forward / investigated.

 --------

John Turner (Selby Land Tax), occupied the Presbyterian Chapel (1781 to 1789) and was Landlord to John Hood of Selby, Mariner and I found this about a Rev Wm Turner, Presbyterian Pastor ...

Leeds Intelligencer, 1st September 1794
A reference to the death of the Rev. Wm Turner, in his 80th year, who was the Pastor to the Congregation of the Presbyterian Protestant Dissenters at Wakefield.


Mark
Title: Re: Tate of Wistow; Rimington of Pontefract; Todd, Turner & Wharrey of Selby
Post by: BushInn1746 on Tuesday 16 October 18 21:11 BST (UK)
Hello

Referring to John Hood [Master Mariner, Abode Selby, Born Scarbro'] occupying one part of a House divided into two Tenements at Mill Gate, Selby in the 1780s.

Property Indentures dated 5 & 6th April 1790 - Registered 1792 - Vol. DH, page 485, No 613 Eadon & Ors to Spencer.

Eadon [and John Turner, Tallow Chandler] & Others to John Spencer, Grocer (later a Gent)


The same House at Selby, divided into two Tenements changed owners in 1790. I am wondering if any of those Surnames named in the 1790 property transfer quoted had any links to a HOOD please:-

Thomas EADON of Selby, Gentleman (looked at before).
William RIMINGTON of Pontefract, Yeoman.
Joseph TATE of Wistow, Yeoman.
John TODD of Selby, Tanner.
John TURNER of Selby, Tallow Chandler. Grocer and a Book Keeper a few years later.
John SPENCER of Selby, Grocer. (later a Gent.)
Morley WHARREY of Selby, Gentleman.

Jno Todd
Witnessed by Jno Dodsworth and John Myers.



Added: Wm Russel & Benj'm Russel both born Selby were also sailing in and out of Hull in 1783.


Benjamin Russel's, Daughter of Selby

Ann Russell married John Turner, 1765 in Selby
(Witnesses Ann Morley & Goseph Morley)

Wm Turner (25yrs) marr. Mary Field (23 Sp'r) 1791.     Mary Turner marr. Samuel Blythe 1798
Cordwainer                                                                     (Wits. Ann Turner & Mary COOK)
(Wits. John Leck & Saml Blythe)                                   First Dau 1799 Sarah Blythe, bapt.
First Dau. 28 Sept. 1792 Ann Turner                             No descent for Blythe.


 ------------

Various Jottings because John Hood of Selby [Mariner] was living in a house of John Turner Chandler / Grocer


Ann Turner marr. George Morley 25 Nov 1802


John Turner (30) Grocer marr. Hannah Gowland (21) at Selby 16th August 1778

4 September 1779 - John TURNER bapt.
First son of John Turner & Hannah [Gowland] Selby
John Turner Grocer & Chandler
Descent - John son of Henry Turner of Selby, Grocer & Chandler by Mary his wife, dau of John Todd of Selby, Innholder. Hannah dau of Richard Gowland of Cawood, Bricklayer.


Previously Hannah Gowland and John Todd looks to have witnessed the following Marriage of
John Halliday marr. Mary Breasley 19th February 1778 at Selby
(Wits. Hannah Gowland; Jno Todd & John Dickinson Jun'r)


The premises at Selby taken over by George Hood were occupied by Tho's Halliday & R'd Gibson (1800 Land Tax & confirmed in later Deed Petre to Hood)


Morley Wharrey has showed up in a Family Bible mentioning the Morleys at Gainsborough (the place where John Dean, owner of the Industry vessel resided, which was sailed from Hull by John Hood, Master.


It does seem that if George Hood was living at Selby with John Hood of Selby, Mariner, John Hood (via his Landlord) & George Hood were already in contact with people that had connections to Russell, Turner, Morley, Burton and John Halliday who all seem connected.

Thomas Halliday partly occupied the business premises George Hood would take over.


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Also found mentioned at Selby 25 March 1780 Mary Dau of
William Cooke (Mariner) & Mary Chester (Daughter of Hue Chester, Mariner of Rocliff, Parish of Snaith)


Mark
Title: Re: Tate of Wistow; Rimington of Pontefract; Todd, Turner & Wharrey of Selby
Post by: ..claire.. on Wednesday 17 October 18 00:47 BST (UK)
Hi

Morley Wharrey was baptised in Selby 1753 son of Thomas Wharrey & Margaret Morley

In 1760 Thomas Wharrey widower married Judith Bacon widow (wife Marg. buried Selby 1758)

Judith HARDY married a 'Mr' Henry Bacon of Selby in 1754. - Judith Wharrey's burial record in Selby confirms the Hardy parentage (of Snaith)

This Henry is not the Henry son of John BACON & Hannah HOOD but wondered if he was a brother of John Bacon or some relation ?

Possibly a bit of a Hood link.


Title: Re: Tate of Wistow; Rimington of Pontefract; Todd, Turner & Wharrey of Selby
Post by: BushInn1746 on Wednesday 17 October 18 01:29 BST (UK)
Thank you.

Referring to my Reply #40, John Turner, Chandler & Grocer (John Hood's Landlord at Selby in the 1780s) was related to Sarah Russell's family and Sarah Russell became Wife of George Hood and Sarah Russell's Mother related to Burton.


Amended
Also does the same John Turner also link to Morley, Morley Wharrey and Burton of Brayton and Cook?

Added.
James Morley and Hannah Burton married Brayton 1796.
When Jane Morley was baptised 3 Aug 1797, the Register (Selby transcriptions) said Hannah was the Dau of John Burton of Burn, Parish of Brayton.

Mark
Title: Re: Tate of Wistow; Rimington of Pontefract; Todd, Turner & Wharrey of Selby
Post by: BushInn1746 on Wednesday 17 October 18 23:28 BST (UK)
Hello

Going back to the Baptism of Sarah Russell at Selby the actual Selby Register page gives her Russell lineage as

Sarah Russel First Daur Of William Russel of Selby Sailer - Son of John Russel of Selby afores'd Lab'r. by Martha his Wife.
1793 Born 30th September, Baptism 9th October


According to the Selby Transcriptions:-
17th May 1792 William Russel, Sailor, Married Mary Burton, both of this Parish.
By Banns by Mounsey, Curate. William aged 29: Mary aged 20.
Witnesses: Henry Popplewell & George Tarbotton.


Comment: No surname for Martha ? [possibly Martha Hodgson - see next]

 ------------

However, looking at the Selby Transcriptions ...

Born & Baptised 17th June 1779
Mary & Martha Vincent baptised twin daughters of John Vincent, Mariner & Elizabeth.
Elizabeth daughter of John Russel of Selby, Labourer by Martha his Wife, Daughter of Thos Hodgson of Featherstone, Tayler.


Unfortunately, nothing on John Vincent's lineage and we didn't photograph even one whole volume of the numerous Hull Muster Roll Volumes! I don't have any Vincent in the Hull Mariner's Rolls photographed, which also cover Selby Births and/or Abodes.


27th November 1778 John Vincent (25) Mariner, Married Elizabeth Russel (21), Both of Selby.

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Interesting that later (next century) a Matilda Vincent Hood, birth was registered at Langrick (near Carlton / Drax) in the Registration District of Selby and these Vincent Hoods came from Ditchingham in Norfolk.

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However, it looks as if Sarah Russell's descent might be the same and therefore Martha Hodgson was also possibly Sarah Russel's Grandmother?

John Russel and Martha [Hodgson], don't seem to have married at Selby?

I wonder where they married, please?

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Some Selby Deaths / Burials (from Transcriptions only) which might be helpful during research:-

22nd October 1805 Martha Russel, died, Widow, Selby. Died aged 86 & buried in the Church Yard.
[born about 1719]

11th September 1780 Benjamin Russel, died, Selby, Farmer, buried in the Church Yard. Decay of Nature aged 95.
[born about 1685]

12th April 1796 John Russel, Died, Selby, Fisherman, John was the Son of Benjamin Russel of Selby Farmer by Mary his Wife. John died of Decay of Nature aged 78 & bd in the Church Yard.
[born about 1718]

28th November  1796 Mary Russel, died, Widow, Selby, Died aged 73. Decay of Nature & buried in the Church Yard.
[born about 1723]


(Incorrect spellings - as spelt in transcriptions)


Mark
Title: Re: Tate of Wistow; Rimington of Pontefract; Todd, Turner & Wharrey of Selby
Post by: ..claire.. on Wednesday 17 October 18 23:48 BST (UK)
Hi

John Russel of Selby and Martha Hotchson of Drax married 10 Feb 1754 after Banns at Drax.

Both signed
Witnesses:  William Pullein and Edward Waud
Title: Re: Tate of Wistow; Rimington of Pontefract; Todd, Turner & Wharrey of Selby
Post by: BushInn1746 on Thursday 18 October 18 00:13 BST (UK)
Hi

John Russel of Selby and Martha Hotchson of Drax married 10 Feb 1754 after Banns at Drax.

Both signed
Witnesses:  William Pullein and Edward Waud

Hello All

Thank you Claire.

So Martha Hotchson of Drax was the Daughter of Thos Hodgson of Featherstone, Tayler [sic].


That John Vincent, Mariner, [I need to see more of them Hull Trinity House Muster Rolls, to get his Birth place!!] married Elizabeth Russel and Elizabeth has the same descent as my Sarah Russel, who married George Hood of Selby.


Then about 80 years later from John Vincent, Mariner, on 16th February 1861 Matilda Vincent (alias Matilda Vincent Hood) was born at Langrick, in the Sub-district of Carlton in the Registration District of Selby and her Mother was Emily VINCENT HOOD. They were from Ditchingham, Norfolk.


I keep wondering if there is a local link somewhere and I've just missed it, for all these volumes of notes, Certificates, Census, Deed Registrations, pc files of photos and images, that have built up over 20 years. I must have seen and purchased upwards of 100 HOOD WILLS!

I can't 'see the Hood for the trees'.  ;D  ;D

Mark
Title: Re: Tate of Wistow; Rimington of Pontefract; Todd, Turner & Wharrey of Selby
Post by: BushInn1746 on Thursday 18 October 18 12:34 BST (UK)
Hello

Referring to John Hood [Master Mariner, Abode Selby, Born Scarbro'] occupying one part of a House divided into two Tenements at Mill Gate, Selby in the 1780s.

Property Indentures dated 5 & 6th April 1790 - Registered 1792 - Vol. DH, page 485, No 613 Eadon & Ors to Spencer.

Eadon [and John Turner, Tallow Chandler] & Others to John Spencer, Grocer (later a Gent)


The same House at Selby, divided into two Tenements changed owners in 1790. I am wondering if any of those Surnames named in the 1790 property transfer quoted had any links to a HOOD please:-

Thomas EADON of Selby, Gentleman (looked at before).
William RIMINGTON of Pontefract, Yeoman.
Joseph TATE of Wistow, Yeoman.
John TODD of Selby, Tanner.
John TURNER of Selby, Tallow Chandler. Grocer and a Book Keeper a few years later.
John SPENCER of Selby, Grocer. (later a Gent.)
Morley WHARREY of Selby, Gentleman.

Jno Todd
Witnessed by Jno Dodsworth and John Myers.




M. Shippen (not Slipper) Neighbour to John Hood in Selby Land Tax - 1780s

This House at Selby divided into two Tenements one occupied by John Hood, transferred in 1790 from John Turner, Tallow Chander (& Grocer) to John Spencer, Grocer (later a Gent).

One of the parties in the 1790 transfer, was Joseph Tate of Wistow, Yeoman.


1776 Wistow
Aug:t 20th Joseph Tate married Mary Shippen


In view of the 1790 House transfer (Registered 1792) also indicating Joseph Tate of Wistow, Yeoman was a party to the transfer and a 1776 Marriage found by Claire of Joseph Tate of Wistow, it confirms John Hood's Selby neighbour was almost certainly SHIPPEN.


Mark
Title: Re: Tate of Wistow; Rimington of Pontefract; Todd, Turner & Wharrey of Selby
Post by: dobfarm on Friday 19 October 18 01:40 BST (UK)
-Mark-

I've ( Joseph - bit more readable) darkened - enhanced your 1776 Wistow marriage image .
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Only thing that is a bit confusing is:  Mary Shippen married Joseph Tate 1776 - so WHY was she put down in  the land tax 1781 5 years later (after she married Joseph Tate) in her maiden name as M Shippen and NOT - M Tate (Mrs)  ???

Unless M Shippen 1781 land tax was a relative of Mary Shippen = Mrs Tate by 1781 - (like:- Example Michael Shippen or Martha Shippen)
Title: Re: Tate of Wistow; Rimington of Pontefract; Todd, Turner & Wharrey of Selby
Post by: BushInn1746 on Friday 19 October 18 08:21 BST (UK)
Hello

Thank you dobfarm

Possibly the one in the Selby Land Tax was a relative of Mary Shippen.

Mark
Title: Re: Tate of Wistow; Rimington of Pontefract; Todd, Turner & Wharrey of Selby
Post by: BushInn1746 on Monday 03 June 19 18:23 BST (UK)


At Selby in June 1759 Elizabeth HOOD & Matthew ROW, witnessed the Marriage of Calvert TENNANT, Clerk, of Great Warley, Essex & Mrs Mary DAUNT.

Smithson TENNANT FRS was born Selby in 1761 and became a Chemist
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Discussing HOOD & ROW witnesses today we both thought simultaneously of the 1782 Will of Catherine Spencer, Wife of Scarborough, these Spencers were linked to Rowe by marriage.
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D622184

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John HOOD of Scarborough, Mariner, to Sarah HAMMOND, 1778 London Marriage Bond (Saint Giles in the Fields), Bondsman was a John ROE.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=756955.msg6449908#msg6449908

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Hello

We called in at Selby Abbey on a recent visit to Yorkshire.

If you are following the other thread, you may have seen my very recent Robinson and Cook of Snaith / Snayth research attachment (Jottings).

1809 Admin (Inland Revenue Abstract) for John Cook of Snaith Yorkshire, England, gives his Sister's name Eliz'th Workman of Beverley County of York, who married Stephen Workman, a Widower at Beverley in 1795, wits Thos Procter and Mary Caygill. Also the place of Beverley was mentioned by my Grandmother along with the Robinson and Stephenson surnames.

Back to the quote above and our recent visit to Selby Abbey, some interesting recording of the Memorials was taken just over 100 years ago and regarding ROBINSON it says:-

Robinson. Date 170 - NNA, Bay from W 7. No 37
Daughter of William Robinson
Gentleman of Beverley.
Died the - of January 170 -
Aged -
(The above is amongst the
names on the Stone used by
the Daunt family
from
which, the eminant Chemist
Smithson Tennant was
descended.)
[sic]

Looking at Elizabeth HOOD in the quote (above) and looking at the Selby Abbey Floor Grave location information (quoted in this reply) linking ROBINSON to DAUNT, it seems there is a link from my HOOD family to an earlier *Elsabeth HOOD and link with ROBINSON and Beverley and Snaith, is beginning to emerge, just as my late Grandmother said about 47 years ago  ;D  ;D

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=756955.msg6745581#msg6745581

Thank you to all contributors and having all the past comments searchable.

Looks like I've got some Will reading and the links look to be made.

Regards Mark

* signed and spelt Elsabeth Hood and "of Selby" removed.
The 1759 Tennant & Daunt, wedding was by Licence and according to an unchecked transcription, it would seem Mary Daunt gave her residence as Snaith?