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I'm researching my tree and have found what I believe to be my Grandfather's first marriage to Amelia Robb 30/11/1900 They have a son Abraham 14/07/1901 in Belfast as per 1901 census. I can find no trace of Amelia or Abraham in the 1911 census I do however find William (if he is the same one) in Buttevant Barracks in Cork with the South Lancashire Regiment he is a regular who enlisted 1904, I've looked in Scotland and passenger list for emigration but no success. Any help would be gratefully accepted. William remarried in Belfast 9/11/1918 to Margaret McCashin.
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The William Woodside in the 1918 marriage is a bachelor. So either it is a different William Woodside to the one who married in 1900, or if it is the same man perhaps he lied to conceal a bigamous marriage?
There were 3 William Woodsides aged around 22/23 in the 1901 census so I wouldn’t rule out the possibility it’s a different William.
Likewise the 1911 census William in Cork is a bachelor. So may not be the right man. (Though his age, county of birth, denomination and occupation do seem right).
Abraham Woodside died 7.3.1902 Belfast.
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Is this the couple in 1901 living in the same house as her parents?
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Shankill_Ward/Cambrai_Street/984208/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Shankill_Ward/Cambrai_Street/984207/
If so, what looks like the same whole family of Robert and Elizabeth (Molloy) Robb moved to Keene, New Hampshire, in several journeys in 1906 - 1907, this included a daughter Amelia Robb who was described as single, Amelia went on to marry a Theron Barnes in 1911 and died in Keene in 1932. The family appear in Keene in the 1910 US census (inc. a 'single' Amelia) and while their ages are all over the place, it still is a reasonable 'fit' on names alone.
Though perhaps someone else could review this, in case I've picked it all up wrong.
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Thanks Eiwyn I don't know how I missed that death notice, The connection between William in the 1901 and the 1911 census is tenuous, most of the details fit but it's not 100%. The William in Cork is the right man according to the army number with his name, it's the same as the military records that I have for my Grandfather. He was born @ 1880/81 was 23y 11mths when he joined the army in Dungannon 1904.I can't find him on the 1901 census in Shrigley Village where his mother Margaret lives. Hence the interest in William & Amelia.
Gaffy that was the entry that I found for the marriage but as Elwyn has discovered Abraham died very young. So confused and back to the drawing board for me.
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For reference-
Abraham Robb Woodside b.1901 & d.1902 at 41 Cambrai St.- father William, flax-dresser
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1901/01946/1752209.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1902/05705/4609325.pdf
William Woodside, full age
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1900/10360/5771476.pdf
William Woodside, age 39
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1918/09725/5528634.pdf
Margaret Woodside in 1911- 10 children, only 3 living-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Killyleagh/Shrigley_Village/240356
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Thanks aghadowey I have all of those, the Margaret in the last one is Williams mother, In his military records it lists one brother George and one sister Margaret and his Mum as next of kin, the Margaret in the census as Stevenson must be Williams sister. The ten children would need a little more digging i suspect but George,William and Margaret definitely fits the bill as the three surviving offspring.
Could this be George?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1879/02923/2071292.pdf
George Wedding?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1900/10343/5765384.pdf
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You may have all that information but it helps to post links so that everyone tryong to help can see the same details ;)
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Sorry about that, I'll remember in future.
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...Gaffy that was the entry that I found for the marriage but as Elwyn has discovered Abraham died very young. So confused and back to the drawing board for me.
I'm confused as well... :)
Are we now saying that the William Woodside who married Amelia Robb isn't your / the correct William Woodside? If you have been working back methodically / bit by bit on William, I'm wondering if it would help folk to know what the last information you have on him that is really robust / sound ?...
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Getting concrete facts about William has been difficult I don't have a definitive DOB for him only an estimation from his military sign up papers ?/02/1881 I can't find a birth that fits 100% but I did find a birth that came close in Glasgow. I don't have a link to this but if it is acceptable i can attach docs to show this along with his sign up papers. Is this permitted on the forum?
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Can you please post a link to this record you mentioned earlier-
... in the 1911 census I do however find William (if he is the same one) in Buttevant Barracks in Cork with the South Lancashire Regiment he is a regular who enlisted 1904, I've looked in Scotland and passenger list for emigration but no success.
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http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001976220/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai001976228/
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Occupation flax dresser looks good and birthplace listed as County Down so why do you think he might have been born in Scotland?
Will do a bit more searching...
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Only a possibility for now- William Woodside, father Robert, born 19 Dec.1880 Co. Down-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1880/02854/2045885.pdf
Marriage of Robert Woodside & Elizabeth Larkin-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1878/11106/8065148.pdf
See next post
Do you have the exact date he joined up in 1904?
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Forget the above family :-\
Robert Woodside (c1839-1892) m.(1878) Elizabeth Larkin ?(c1854-1912)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1892/06038/4719873.pdf (labourer & Army Pensioner)
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Armagh/Mullahead/Laurelvale__Village_/1020877/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Armagh/Mullahead__Rural_/Cochrane_s_Hill/332174/ (RC, sons Patrick Edward & William John)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1912/05367/4496715.pdf
1. William John Woodside (1880)
2. Patrick Edward Woodside (1882-1919) https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1882/02763/2014669.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1919/05153/4420847.pdf
3. Robert Woodside (1885-bef.1911) https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1885/02650/1977062.pdf
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I have considered these and admit they are very close, but the William that I have doesn't have a middle name mentioned on any of the documents that I have. I'm surprised that the army didn't include a DOB on any of his records, I only looked at Scotland because I couldn't find him here and vaguely remember my Mum saying something about him being Scots. The William in Scotland is William James but his fathers name is wrong, William's fasther was also William. What I would give for a DOB.
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Do his Army records not list a date of enlistment? with that it would be possible to use the age listed to narrow down his date of birth for further searches.
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He enlisted 30/01/04 at the age of 23 yrs 11 mtns see attached doc
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I think I may have located records of the family but still tracing them (quite interesting it's turning out to be) but need you to confirm that the William Woodside we are looking for is definitely the son of Margaret Woodside of Shrigley with a daughter Margaret Ann (Woodside) Stevenson.
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I'm pretty sure he's the same William.
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That's great as it is (finally) the correct Woodside family I've found! William's age well off from age declared when he enlisted!
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A Letter from his mum making enquiries about her sons whereabouts
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Brilliant! Nice when things start to fall into place.
The 1907 letter looking for son William ties him to the service record, 1911 census, and a mother Margaret with father William listed in 1918 marriage.
Then, looking for a William Woodside with wife Margaret & children William, George, Margaret leads to other records.
Births for those children show mother was Margaret Thompson & father was a blind fiddler named William.
Family tree-
William Woodside (c1820-1884 Crossgar) m.(c1874?) Margaret Thompson (c1854?-1917)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1884/06310/4809224.pdf (fiddler)
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Killyleagh/Shrigley_Village/240356 (transcription-age 54 but married 59 years, 10 ch./3 living)
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002231704/ (married 37 years on original)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1917/05216/4443341.pdf
1. Margaret Ann Woodside (10 Nov.1873 Galbraith’s Entry, Belfast) m.(1909) Robert Stevenson
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1873/03176/2165004.pdf (father musician, mother Thomson) https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1909/10033/5649476.pdf
2. William Woodside (1 May 1876 Ravara, Newtownards)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FGNN-X5M (father William, blind fiddler, no settled residence)
3. Agnes Woodside (1 Dec.1877 Ravara, Newtownards)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1877/02991/2096386.pdf (father William, blind fiddler, no settled residence)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1878/020525/7202932.pdf (blind fiddlers daughter- died 2 days after twin Robert)
4. Robert Woodside (1 Dec.1877 Ravara, Newtownards-1878 Ravara)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1877/02991/2096385.pdf (father William, blind fiddler, no settled residence)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1878/020525/7202932.pdf (blind fiddlers son)
5. George Woodside (24 Apr.1879 Ravara, Newtownards) m.(21 Apr.1900) Sarah Jane McCashin
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1879/02923/2071292.pdf (father William, blind fiddler, Ravara) https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1900/10343/5765384.pdf
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Killyleagh/Shrigley_Village/1231139
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Killyleagh/Shrigley_Village/240371
1. Mary Woodside (28 May 1900) https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1900/02000/1769172.pdf
2. George Woodside (1904) https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1904/01832/1715530.pdf
3. William John Woodside (1907) https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1907/01702/1675014.pdf
4. Agnes Woodside (1910) https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1910/01586/1638146.pdf
6. John Woodside (21 Mar.1881 Newtownards-1892)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1892/06029/4717125.pdf
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31st October 1914 Larne Times has:
. Private William Woodside, the South Lancashire Regiment, has arrived home at Shrigley. Killyleagh. wounded in the left foot.
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Scotmum could you send me a link to that article?
Aghadowey gonna take a min to put all that info into tree form and look at the permutations. ;D
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It should be top result at:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ltw/
albeit, credits would need to be purchased to view it.
Alternatively, if you have a FindMyPast subscription, it is available via their newspaper search page.
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You can also search Find My Past Irish Newspapers free without signing in and usually get a fair idea of the article content- just keep changing search terms and filters to find more results.
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Don't know how I missed this, William on his death cert in 1/03/1925 was aged 42 which makes his DOB 1882/3 and not 1881 as per his army papers, could this be him in Belfast?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1882/02763/2014680.pdf
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Don't know how I missed this, William on his death cert in 1/03/1925 was aged 42 which makes his DOB 1882/3 and not 1881 as per his army papers, could this be him in Belfast?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1882/02763/2014680.pdf
I eliminated that William Woodside at the start- father Alexander not William (as on your William Woodside's marriage record). Also, mother was Agnes...