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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Down => Topic started by: Del 80 on Wednesday 28 March 18 11:55 BST (UK)
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So, what DID happen to the elusive Samuel Clarke ?? got lot's of posts on here about him, but don't know how to link to them, so apologies.......born 1865, Banbridge, Co. Down, married 1896, to Susannah McDowell, Kilmegan parish, went to jail in 1899/1900.....after that nothing, possible dead by 1912 as she re-married as a widow in Scotland.....been looking for almost 10 years now.
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http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=748767.msg5964872#msg5964872
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=636285.msg5497592#msg5497592
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=590223.msg5638639#msg5638639
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=613534.msg4625696#msg4625696
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=558389.msg4111076#msg4111076
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=581413.msg4332577#msg4332577
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=489512.msg4990612#msg4990612
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=572648.msg4251027#msg4251027
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=504655.msg4199247#msg4199247
Apologies if I missed any!
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Thanks for that......I knew there was a few......apologies for repeating myself !!
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You don’t give enough detail to know do you know where Samuel and Sussanna lived in 1901. separately or together in any Irish or Scottish census
Based entirely on age and b Co Down a Samuel stated as single in 1901 and 1911 and as a complete speculation have you any connection to a Samuel Clarke Date of death 17 June 1936 living with sisters Mary and Margaret in 1901 and 1911 in Agnes Street from https://ssl.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch/BurialRecordDetails.aspx?RecordID=6607.10221
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Is this his birth ?
Record Type Civil Birth
Date of Birth 1 May 1865
Name Samuel James CLARKE
Gender M
Fathers Name John CLARKE
Mothers Forenames Elizabeth
Mothers Maiden Name POOTS
Civil District Banbridge
Sub District Dromore
CountyDown
And could this be his death,just a possibility ?
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1909/05473/4532046.pdf
Found dead at 68 Trillick Street,Belfast on the 15th March 1909
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well done Sam, from Ros davies frozen website
https://web.archive.org/web/20170312145901/http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rosdavies/
Miss Elizabeth POOTS . Dromore wife of John Clarke; mother of Samuel James b. 1865 & Martha Anne b. 1871
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Thanks for that.....it has certainly got me thinking.....we always believed that Samuel's parents were Bernard Clarke and Sarah Allan, although we could never prove it......this throws a whole new light on things.....his wife Susanna fled to Scotland about 1900 after he tried to kill her, for which he was jailed at Belfast assize......he only got 6 months, and was never heard of again.
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Mmmhhh.......the plot thickens....on Sussana's death certificate, in 1928, it says that she was married to Robert Sanders, which is correct, it also says that her first husband was JAMES Clarke, which has always puzzled me.......
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This is the Samuel Clarke that we are looking for.......
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https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1896/10506/5826308.pdf
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C Reg Birth results for Samuel Clarke from 1866 to 1875 http://www.rootschat.com/links/01luc/
If he was born and registered in Co Down it would be one of these Districts....
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Thank you for that, we believe that he is the Clarke born Downpatrick on 22nd June 1865, to parents Bernard Clarke and Sarah Allan......Samuel and Susanna's first child was Samuel ALLAN Clarke, born at Murlough Lower, Dundrum, in 1897.......Their second child was Hugh Joseph Clarke, born Ardrossan, Scotland in 1900, after Susanna had fled there after the serious assault on her, by Samuel at Dundrum....Hugh Joseph Clarke is my wife's grandfather.....https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=2533&h=2579730&ssrc=pt&tid=29111460&pid=12135968592&usePUB=true
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You can amend the Search criteria to look for Death etc....
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I did wonder if the Samuel Clarke, that died in 1919 at Trillick Street, Belfast, could be "our" Samuel.....I notice that he was given as married, which our Samuel would presumably still be, even though he tried to kill Susanna, and she was in Scotland......I assume that divorce was virtually unheard of back then, although there was a rumour in the family that when he came out of jail, he re-married, and had another family, but I have no evidence of this.....how would I find out, if indeed it is possible at all, who this Samuel was married too ?
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I found that record for Samuel died 1909 back in 2014 for you ::)
Whatever year he died there should be a death registration. I checked GRONI (1905-1909) and the closest to Dundrum geographically is a Samuel Clarke died 1906 (Downpatrick) but he's 74 years old.
Closest ones by age are both in Belfast:
Samuel Clarke, 23 March 1907 (age 47)
Samuel Clarke**, 15 March 1909 (age 45)
Belfast City Cemetery (G 171): Mr Samuel James Clarke**, age 45, 68 Trillick St., died 15 Mar.1909, buried 17 Mar.1909 (several others in same plot)
https://ssl.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch/burialSearch.aspx
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I found that record for Samuel died 1909 back in 2014 for you ::)
Whatever year he died there should be a death registration. I checked GRONI (1905-1909) and the closest to Dundrum geographically is a Samuel Clarke died 1906 (Downpatrick) but he's 74 years old.
Closest ones by age are both in Belfast:
Samuel Clarke, 23 March 1907 (age 47)
Samuel Clarke**, 15 March 1909 (age 45)
Belfast City Cemetery (G 171): Mr Samuel James Clarke**, age 45, 68 Trillick St., died 15 Mar.1909, buried 17 Mar.1909 (several others in same plot)
https://ssl.belfastcity.gov.uk/burialsearch/burialSearch.aspx
So we are not looking for it??
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If OP had looked at the details of who else was buried in the plot (I did say "several others in same plot") they would have seen 2 other Clarks and 1 other person with a different surname in the plot with Samuel James.
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If OP had looked at the details of who else was buried in the plot (I did say "several others in same plot") they would have seen 2 other Clarks and 1 other person with a different surname in the plot with Samuel James.
.....and how are they related?? ;D ;D
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The other people buried in the plot are Henry Clarke d 1887 aged 64, Eliza Ann Clarke d 1899 aged 70, and a Mrs. Mary Kennedy d 1880 aged 25......I am guessing that the two older one's are Samuel James Clarke's parents, so he is probably not our man.
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Henry Clarke-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1887/06199/4773167.pdf
Widow of Henry Clarke-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1899/05783/4635504.pdf
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Thank you for that, it looks increasingly unlikely that this Samuel Clarke is our man.....I still believe that his parents were Bernard Clarke and Sarah Allan.