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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: Tgapitbull on Friday 30 March 18 09:02 BST (UK)
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I am trying to trace Mary MILNE aka Mary Hay MILNE who was born on 22 February 1875 Peterhead, Aberdeenshire, Scotland. She is the daughter of Agnes TAYLOR and Thomas MILNE who married on 13 July 1874 Peterhead, Aberdeenshire, Scotland. Agnes and Thomas MILNE had another child Thomas MILNE born in 1878. Thomas MILNE senior died on 18 December 1880, Old Meldrum, Aberdeenshire, Scotland.
Background:
Around 1882 Agnes MILNE came to New Zealand and married James Keith CRAIG on 2 April 1886 in Oamaru.
Agnes Taylor (b 1852) was the daughter of David Taylor and Margaret Henderson. Agnes' older sister Christian Taylor (b 1844 New Deer, Scotland) married in 1866 to John Taylor s/o William Taylor and Annie Meldrum. Christian and John Taylor and family came out to NZ on the ship "Auckland" arriving in Port Chalmers on 21 November 1874.
Thomas Milne came out to NZ c 1908. He did not marry and died on 13 October 1946 in Dunedin.
I do not know exactly when Mary Milne came out to NZ but possibly sometime between 1891 and 1896. I have found her in the 1891 Scotland census living in Tiffery Road, Longside, Aberdeenshire occ Dom Svt (unemployed) living with her uncle John and Aunt Ann Taylor. Then as a witness to the marriage on 16 December 1896 in Oamaru of Jessie Ann Meldrum Taylor d/o Christina and John Taylor and James Turpus. Her details are given as "Mary Hay Milne, General Servant, Kakanui". Mary is Jessie's cousin.
I next found a "Mary Hay Milne" in the 1896 and 1900 electoral roll for Otago - Waihemo as a Domestic Servant - qualification - residential.
An Ancestry public member tree suggests that Mary Milne married a George Marvin Mutch in 1897 in Wisconsin, USA - however this is not the one I am looking for. George married a Mary Hall Milne.
I have checked the NZ BDM Index - deaths. Using the ages I have eliminated all the "Mary Milne's". Using Archway I searched using "Mary Hay" and found 2 possible names "Harris" and "Williams". I checked these against the BDM Index and eliminated these as being too old, ie born before 1875. I have also checked the Waitaki cemetery records and not found anything relevant.
I have also looked on Familysearch but found nothing relevant or have I missed something?
Agnes Craig died on 30 August 1942, Waimate, Sth Canterbury. On her death cert only one child is given as living at the time of her death and this is a male (Thomas) so Mary is likely to have died sometime between 1900 and 1942 - but where?
Any assistance to locate Mary Hay Milne would be appreciated.
Thanks
Wendy
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Here is a long shot http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lu0/ even though you say there wasn't a daughter listed as alive on the mother's death certificate.
If you consider years later than 1942 there are another couple of possibilities.
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Maybe we need to find her arriving in NZ
Edited
A Miss M H Milne left the UK on the 27th December 1893 aboard the "Gothic" no age is given just "A"
Cheers Janette
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Hello Wendy,
Not quite the right age, but a possibility maybe?
1958/19434 Milne Mary 85Y
Minniehaha.
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Thanks TwiggyTree, Janette and Minniehaha for your postings and will follow up your suggestions. The passenger details for Miss M H Milne look promising.
As an aside, I found Lucy Mary Hay Milne in the electoral rolls residing at 71 Chatsworth Road, Upper Hutt (Woodhill) - a Chapman-Taylor residence from about 1949 - 1954.
Thanks
Wendy
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This is probably not at all helpful but I note the names of Milne, Mary, Hay & Henderson.
A family connection?
1912/15894 Milne Mary Ellen Christina Hay Elizabeth Stirling Donald Henderson
2002/3428 Milne Mary Ellen Christina Hay 3 July 1912
Cemetery Details
Surname MILNE
Forename Mary Ellen Christina Hay
Age 89 Years
Gender Female
Date of Death 3 Feb 2002
Place of Death Sacred Heart Home, Dunedin
Last Address Sacred Heart Home, DUNEDIN
Funeral Director Hope & Sons Ltd, P O Box 5013, Andersons Bay, DUNEDIN
Date of Cremation 7 Feb 2002
Type of Service None
Ashes Disposal Scatter 8 Feb 2002
Occupation
Place of Birth
Date of Birth Not recorded
Notes
The following burials are also in this Plot
There were none found
Minniehaha.
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Hi Minniehaha,
There doesn't appear to be a family connection as these names don't fit with the family information that I have. Using the NZ DIA BDM Index I found that Donald married Elizabeth Stirling WEBB in 1905. Donald was born c 1882.
Thanks for the posting.
Wendy
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Gothic passenger list, including those for Oamaru [Miss H. M. Milne]......
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/ESD18940207.2.27?end_date=28-02-1894&phrase=0&query=gothic+arrival+milne&start_date=01-02-1894
Minniehaha.
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Thanks Minniehaha - you beat me to it! I had been looking for the passenger list in the newspapers on Paperspast.
I am checking with the Wellington CC to see if they are able to provide additional information on the cremation record of Lucy Mary Hay Milne. As a last resort I will apply for her death cert.
On checking the electoral rolls I have found a Lucy Mary Milne (possibly the same person as above) who in 1935 was at Firth House, Dufferin street, Wellington (Wellington College). She was still at Wellington College in 1938. I am checking with Wellington College to see if they still retain their staff records for this time.
Wendy
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Hi Wendy,
This is a very long shot, but maybe.........
Marriage:
1900/4635 Mary Milne James Duncan Alexander Maclaren
Mention made of Oamaru in the following newspaper item:
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/TS19110217.2.51?end_date=31-12-1949&phrase=2&query=james+duncan+alexander+maclaren&start_date=01-01-1839
Death:
1924/4306 Maclaren James Duncan Alexander 52Y
Divorce file with marriage certificate:
https://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/ViewFullItem.do?code=20357706
Minniehaha.
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Additional information on the MacLAREN v. MacLAREN divorce - February 1911 >>
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/NZTR19110225.2.34
.... Mary MacLAREN is referred to here as a young woman (her husband, J.D.A. MacLAREN, as a middle-aged man ... and if as his death age indicates (born c. 1872), he was 38 or 39 at this time ) ?
The article also states there were five children of the union (rather than four as mentioned earlier).
This woman did not appear on an electoral roll until 1911 ... (when she was at a common address with her husband) - but it was under the name of Marie MacLAREN. [Incidentally, "Marie" was the christian name used in the birth registrations of all of her children. ??? ]
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Wendy ... I think it's unlikely this is the Mary (MILNE) you seek. ??? And although there is mention of "Oamaru", I don't get the impression from the newspaper articles, that the mother (of Mary) was actually resident there.
[Q: Was (your) Agnes CRAIG a dairy farmer at Oamaru ??. ]
~ Lu
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Hi Minniehaha and Lucy2 - thanks for your postings.
A quick response in between hospital visiting.
Agnes CRAIG (the mother of Mary Milne that I am looking for) was married to James Keith Craig who died in 1901. He was a farmer.
The 1905-06 ER shows her as a dairy farmer at North Road, Oamaru and again in 1911. Living with her in 1911 was her dau Margaret Christina Craig, Spinster.
In 1922 she was living at 68 Fox st, Dunedin and from 1925-1935 she was living at 47 Fox st, Dunedin.
In 1909 freehold section 31, block 13, Trent st, Oamaru was sold on behalf of Mrs Agnes Craig (Nth Otago Times 1/5/1909). The Oamaru Mail (30/4/1909) mentions a fire enquiry re Mrs Craig house at Trent street which was unoccupied for 2+months. The 1911 ER shows her son David Craig living at Trent street, Oamaru.
From 1935 to the time of her death in 1942 she was living in Waimate, Sth Canterbury.
Must dash.
Wendy
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Hi Wendy
Have found the burial of Marie McLAREN at Timaru Cemetery. Died 1957 - aged given as 77 years - bc 1880 ??
https://www.timaru.govt.nz/services/community-and-culture/cemeteries/cemetery-search?BurialId=34450
Somewhat surprisingly she is commemorated on the headstone with her (former) husband, James Duncan Alexander MacLAREN. ???
But it seems (despite the Divorce) that this lady returned to her husband, as there was a twin birth to them in August 1916.
1916 /8014 - MacLAREN - Corrie Marguerite
1916 / 8013 - MacLAREN - N/R (Stillbirth)
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These are the other MacLAREN births > (might any of these be MILNE family names ) ??
1902 - MacLAREN - Malcolm Carus Iaan
1904 - MacKAY* - John Keith
[ * NZ birth Index listing (@ ancestry) shows John Keith MacKay MacLAREN - NZ BDM online in error - has MacKAY as surname although it comes up under a search of MacLAREN. ]
1906 - MacLAREN - Isabella Euphemia [d. Isobel Euphemia PETRIE ]
1908 - MacLAREN - James Duncan Colin
1909 - MacLAREN - George Clyde
~ Lu
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Thanks Lu.
Yes interesting that she returned to her husband.
None of the children's names appear to be MILNE family names.
Backtracking to Lucy Mary Hay Milne. Wellington College advise that she appears to have been a Matron at Firth House 1935 - 1938.
Wellington City Council advise that a Vautier, F (Florence); arranged her cremation in 1965. Florence's maiden name was Russell. Florence Russell married Thomas Philip Vautier in 1905. He died in 1932. At various times Florence and Lucy were living at the same residence in Napier and Wellington ie from 1954 48 The Terrace, Wellington. So far I can find no connection between Milne and Russell.
Wendy
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I have checked the ER from 1905-06 to 1957 for Marie MacLaren. She was mainly living in Kaiapoi Timaru and Christchurch, however I did find her in 1919 in the Omaru ER at "Tullymett" Herbert, Oamaru. (James Keith and Anges Craig lived in this area).
The Oamaru Mail 9/12/1920 has an advertisement advertising a "Clearing Sale at "Tullymett" Oamaru on Friday 10 December 1920 on instructions from Mrs M MacLaren.
The "Tullymett" farm was in the SIM family from 1884 till the death of Alexander SIM on 21 February 1912 when it appears from his probate record to pass to his son William Sim. Another son was occupying the farm, John Sim, but he was deceased at the time that Alexander wrote his Will on 11 November 1910.
I then went looking for a Milne connection with the SIM family - which was negative. On checking the NZ BDM Index I found a marriage for a Helen Spence Turfus to a Alexander William Sim in 1916. (Yet to do further checking for any family connection).
Jessie (Janet) Ann Meldrum Taylor married a James Turfus (Turpis) s/o Robert Turfus and Barbara Sinclair on 16 December 1896 in Oamaru. James Turfus died on 21 May 1916 at Hazel Park, Weston. The Turfus family is from Orkney.
Jessie Taylor is the dau of Christian nee Taylor and John Taylor - Christian is the sister of Agnes Craig formerly Milne nee Taylor who is the mother of Mary Milne.
Wendy
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An update.
I have just received the marriage certificate of Mary Milne and James Duncan Alexander MacLaren in 1900 in Christchurch. Mary Milne was 21 years and born in Woolston, Christchurch. Her parents were John Milne, Farmer and Margaret McKinley.
So not the Mary Milne I am looking for - back to the drawing board!
Wendy