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hi guys are there some really clever people out that , that could help me. I'm looking for a person called Lizzie corps born on 1900 in Jan I belive, parents Amelia Jane corps and father Charles corps. she also had a brother Thomas, annie who died and sister Emma who moved to reading. I belive she has changed her name as she isn't found any where after 1911. she was in school at this time. can any one help me please. it's like this person fell off the earth :(
thanks in advance
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Hi Katie
Is this her Birth Reg please?
Births Mar 1900
Corps Lizzie Stokesley 9d 682
Giggsy
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That birth registration gives MMN Wake which ties in with 1886 marriage for Charles & Amelia Jane :)
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1901 census also shows a brother Frank
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hi guys
I know about brother Frank. he went to join the army. that's why he doesn't appare on the 1911 cencus and yes that birth reg is right lol. should I get the birth cert to see of there is any more info on there ?
suggestions anyone ?
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The birth cert would give you exact date of birth. She might have been born late 1899 and still be registered in Q1 1900. If you have access to FindMyPast or can get access at a library, you could search on date of birth and Lizzie without a surname on the 1939 register
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I can try that yes. but how will it help if it has no surname ? also she was in school at the time so didn't have a profession. so I can't link them either
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Mother Amelia Jane seems to have left a will.
Probate calendar 1937
Corps AmelIa Jane of Manor Cottage Stokesley Middlesborough widow died 14 Jan 1937 at Highcroft Ruscombe Twyford Berkshire Probate York 16 March to Charles Corps railway dock superintendent.
It might be worth obtaining a copy of this will.
William
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Lizzie Corps baptised at Stokesley 16th Jan 1900 (so probably born late 1899 as suggested by Lizzie)
Parents Charles and Amelia Jane CORPS father a gardener.
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Mother Amelia Jane seems to have left a will.
Probate calendar 1937
Corps AmelIa Jane of Manor Cottage Stokesley Middlesborough widow died 14 Jan 1937 at Highcroft Ruscombe Twyford Berkshire Probate York 16 March to Charles Corps railway dock superintendent.
It might be worth obtaining a copy of this will.
William
hii
oh I thought it was just a probate not a will. definate it a will ?
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I can try that yes. but how will it help if it has no surname ? also she was in school at the time so didn't have a profession. so I can't link them either
If you have an exact date of birth, there can't be many Lizzies with that dob in 1939, it should give a short list of possible new surnames to work through and eliminate.
She may have married and surname badly transcribed on GRO index, or married outside England / Wales. She could have changed her surname because she didn't like it.
Apart from Stokesley and Reading are there any other places associated with the family?
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I can try that yes. but how will it help if it has no surname ? also she was in school at the time so didn't have a profession. so I can't link them either
If you have an exact date of birth, there can't be many Lizzies with that dob in 1939, it should give a short list of possible new surnames to work through and eliminate.
She may have married and surname badly transcribed on GRO index, or married outside England / Wales. She could have changed her surname because she didn't like it.
Apart from Stokesley and Reading are there any other places associated with the family?
well frank died in Nottingham
Emma died in reading
Amelia died in reading
Charles died in stokesley
urrrmmm
no mainly Yorkshire tbh. lol I'm not for Yorkshire so it's slightly annoying
and Thomas an annie died in childhood
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I ment her changing her first name not surname because she didn't like it. ;D
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Nothing wrong with Lizzie for a name ;D
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It is her father Charles who did not leave a will as the Probate Calendar has this
Corps Charles of Manor Cottage Stokesley died 17 April 1933 Administration 19 May Newcastle Upon Tyne to Amelia Jane Corps widow and Charles Corps...
If it says Administration in the Probate Calendar it means they died intestate.The documents are unlikely to tell you anything more. If it states that Probate was granted in the Probate Calendar there is a will. I have double checked - Amelia Jane Corps left a will.
William
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Nothing wrong with Lizzie for a name ;D
haha I know but she might not of liked it :D
it's just massively frustrating
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Another possibility to concider could be that Lizzie has been committed to an institution and would be recorded by her initials. Alternatively she could have emigrated but I have not found her in any of the indexes.
Regards
Panda
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It is her father Charles who did not leave a will as the Probate Calendar has this
Corps Charles of Manor Cottage Stokesley died 17 April 1933 Administration 19 May Newcastle Upon Tyne to Amelia Jane Corps widow and Charles Corps...
If it says Administration in the Probate Calendar it means they died intestate.The documents are unlikely to tell you anything more. If it states that Probate was granted in the Probate Calendar there is a will. I have double checked - Amelia Jane Corps left a will.
William
hi William I will check this might order it . thank you I didn't realised it means that. thank you that's amazing
Charles corps is the other son also. I've checked his probably too I think he was born 1899. stokesley Yorkshire. obvs it might not help but worth a try a. maybe she is just untraceable
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There are 38 pages of Lizzie born 1900 in the 1939 register without an actual birth date it is like looking for a needle in a haystack ;D
Regards
Panda
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Another possibility to concider could be that Lizzie has been committed to an institution and would be recorded by her initials. Alternatively she could have emigrated but I have not found her in any of the indexes.
Regards
Panda
I know it's very fustation. this is why I said i couldn't find her any where :(
literally just vanished. if committed to an insituation it's hard to actually understand if it's them because it's only initials
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Mother Amelia Jane seems to have left a will.
Probate calendar 1937
Corps AmelIa Jane of Manor Cottage Stokesley Middlesborough widow died 14 Jan 1937 at Highcroft Ruscombe Twyford Berkshire Probate York 16 March to Charles Corps railway dock superintendent.
It might be worth obtaining a copy of this will.
William
hii
oh I thought it was just a probate not a will. definate it a will ?
how can I obtain this
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You can order them from the find a will website:-
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/Calendar#calendar
This should take you straight to the page with Amelia's name. Just fill in the form on the right and I think the cost is £10.
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Looks as though the link I gave you isn't going to work. Use this one instead.
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#calendar
When you open it, make sure you have the years 1858 to 1996 showing. Enter the surname Corps and the year 1937. When it comes up you can then fill in the details on the form on the right.
If you get stuck, ask for help.
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Hi,
A bit of different idea, could she have joined the Women's Royal Air Force?
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D7499974
Something must be misspelt as I can't find a Lizzie CORPEN anywhere ???
Regards,
Daisy
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Looks as though the link I gave you isn't going to work. Use this one instead.
https://probatesearch.service.gov.uk/#calendar
When you open it, make sure you have the years 1858 to 1996 showing. Enter the surname Corps and the year 1937. When it comes up you can then fill in the details on the form on the right.
If you get stuck, ask for help.
got it thanks, i was just worried because there isnt a probate number but it still goes through to check out
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Hi,
A bit of different idea, could she have joined the Women's Royal Air Force?
http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D7499974
Something must be misspelt as I can't find a Lizzie CORPEN anywhere ???
Regards,
Daisy
looks good but its been intentionally distorted which is annoying.
thank you
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Do I take it that you have bought the record and you can't read it because it is twisted in some way?
If so you should complain to National Archives and tell them it is unreadable.
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Do I take it that you have bought the record and you can't read it because it is twisted in some way?
If so you should complain to National Archives and tell them it is unreadable.
hiya
no no i havent brought it yet, but i might
thank you
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There are 38 pages of Lizzie born 1900 in the 1939 register without an actual birth date it is like looking for a needle in a haystack ;D
Regards
Panda
i know a birth date now 15 dec 1899
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Hi,
A possibility for Lizzie,
Marriage
Herbert WIGGLESWORTH Sep Q 1939 Bromley Kent 2a 3843
Elizabeth CORPS
In 1939 it looks like they are living in Farnham, Surrey.
I think this is Herbert,
Birth
Herbert WIGGLESWORTH Mar Q 1900 Pontefract 9c 104
Baptism
Herbert
Wesleyan-Methodist Chapel: Knottingley
County: York
Born: 16 Jan 1900
Baptism Date: 1 Mar 1900
Herbert son of
George Herbert & Lavinia WIGGLESWORTH
Abode: We?land Road, Knottingley
Death
Herbert WIGGLESWORTH Feb 1991 Hastings and Rother 18 944
DOB: 17 Jan 1900
I haven't found an Elizabeth WIGGLESWORTH after 1939 that fits yet, I wonder if they were posted abroad in WW2 ?
Regards,
Daisy
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If you have access to Ancestry you can find E and Elizabeth CORPS also E, Elizabeth, H and Herbert WIGGLESWORTH.
UK, Physiotherapy and Masseuse Registers, 1895 -1980
https://search.ancestry.co.uk/search/db.aspx?dbid=61120
Daisy