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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Canada Lookup Request => Topic started by: csjjpm on Wednesday 04 April 18 20:08 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I've found immigration records into Canada for three brothers from Northern Ireland and can only find one other thing for one of them, his grave.
They were:
Arthur Semple (Jul 1906 - 2000), arrived May 1928 in Quebec
Thomas Semple (Nov 1908), arrived May 1928 in Quebec
Charles Semple (Jul 1902), arrived Jun 1927 in Quebec
I've found Arthur on findagrave with a wife Leta May Dundas. I don't know when or where they married or if they had any children.
I've tried familysearch and found an entry of a Charles Semple having a child with Rebecca O'Donnell and the infant died a day later. I can't find a marriage between these two parents.
There is a record of Arthur visiting the USA in 1929 with Charles as his departure contact in Canada so they were all together at some point.
There isn't much for Canada on Ancestry.
I would like to find if they all married, had children and when they died.
Any help much appreciated. Thank you.
Paul
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Hi,
Are these the passenger lists you found?
Arthur Semple, arrived on the Melita in May of 1928, aged 21. Says he was born in Moyle, Co. Tyrone. Father is Mr Robert Semple, Carrigans, Knockmoyle, Omagh. Going to Mr D R Bradford, C P Building, Toronto.
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/microform-digitization/006003-119.01-e.php?PHPSESSID=pgu74hjaupu9qmj7ao9j21gtb3&sqn=487&q2=12&q3=893&tt=627
Thomas Alex. Semple arrived on the Montclare in May of 1928, aged 19. Says he was born in Larney, Co. Antrim. Father is Mr James Semple, Headwood, Balynure. Going to Uncle Arthur Semple in Georgetown Ontario
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/microform-digitization/006003-119.01-e.php?PHPSESSID=pgu74hjaupu9qmj7ao9j21gtb3&sqn=141&q2=12&q3=893&tt=627
Charles Semple arrived on the Montclare in June of 1927, aged 24. Says he was born in Moyle, Co. Tyrone. Father is Mr R Semple, Carrigans, "Klnokmoyle", Omagh. Going to Agent-General for Ontario, Front Street, Ontario.
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/microform-digitization/006003-119.01-e.php?q2=12&q3=884&sqn=480&tt=640&PHPSESSID=pgu74hjaupu9qmj7ao9j21gtb3
Is this the Thomas you found, or is there another one that I don't see on the Library and Archives Canada site? Looks like Arthur and Charles are brothers. They both say they are going to Canada to be farmers.
RK
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I found this ... it is from a Barrie newspaper from 1954.
In a list of guests at a hotel at Minet's point... Mr and Mrs Arthur Semple of St. Catharines and Mr and Mrs Charles Semple of Toronto.
See the 3rd column...
http://137.207.184.188/barrie/09_1954/BaPL002914284pf-0453-1954-09-10-1.pdf
RK
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There is a burial for a Charles Semple in Pine Hills Cemetery, Scarborough. He died in 1985, aged 83. Section 12, Lot 132.
http://www.finditatmpg.com/Details.aspx?GID=R9Lzn4ZrKOujw6w6Sb5POg%3d%3d
There is also a burial for Rebecca (Ruby) Semple in the same cemetery... she died in 1983, aged 82. Section 12, Lot 131.
http://www.finditatmpg.com/Details.aspx?GID=TkYoIYmh7YbCH1n5yzDgIw%3d%3d
RK
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In case this is your Charles and Rebecca...
Rebecca's obituary is in the Toronto Star 16 April 1983, page A14.
Rebecca (Ruby) Semple died on April 15, 1983. Wife of Charles Semple. Mother of Norman and J Semple, both of Kingston; S (Mrs W Homer), J (Mrs J Howard), B and Ronald Semple, all of Toronto. Grandmother of 13, great grandmother of 3. Interment Pine Hills Cemetery.
RK
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I think this is their son Norman Charles Semple of Kingston. He passed away very recently.
http://yourlifemoments.ca/sitepages/obituary.asp?oid=1069964
RK
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Charles Semple obituary in the Toronto Star, 4 Aug 1985, page H6,
He died Aug 2 1985 in Scarborough. Husband of the late Rebecca Semple. Father of S (Mrs W Homer), J (Mrs C Howard), B and Ronald Semple of Toronto. Norman and J Semple of Kingston. Brother of Arthur of St. Catharines and Thomas of Scarborough, Mary Armstrong and Lily Armstrong, both of Northern Ireland. Grandfather of 13. Great grandfather of 5. Interment Pine Hills Cemetery
RK
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Wow RK! You've found loads. These all seem to be very likely. Ages at death match year of birth. Locations are all very close too.
Pity there is no free BMD.
Thank you. I'll see what else I can find in those locations.
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Odd how the immigration for Thomas says going to Uncle Arthur but the obit of Charles says
Brother of Arthur of St. Catharines and Thomas of Scarborough, Mary Armstrong and Lily Armstrong, both of Northern Ireland.
Lily was my great grandmother so these are the correct people. I also knew my great great aunt Mary.
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Why do you think Thomas Alexander Semple might be your relative?
He was born Co. Antrim and here's the family in 1911- father also born Antrim-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Ballycor/Ballyboley/189252
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Hi,
Thomas Alex. Semple arrived on the Montclare in May of 1928, aged 19. Says he was born in Larney, Co. Antrim. Father is Mr James Semple, Headwood, Balynure. Going to Uncle Arthur Semple in Georgetown Ontario
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/microform-digitization/006003-119.01-e.php?PHPSESSID=pgu74hjaupu9qmj7ao9j21gtb3&sqn=141&q2=12&q3=893&tt=627
RK
This looks to be the Semple family Ballyboley (Ballycor, Antrim).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Ballycor/Ballyboley/189252/
The birth of Thomas Alexander Semple was registered Larne - Q1 1910 - volume 1 page 101073
Sandra
Oops - Already typed so will still post.
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Birth registration for Thomas Alexander Semple-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1910/01586/1638196.pdf
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There was a return UK passenger list for Thomas A Semple aged 22 years - Montreal Quebec to Liverpool (calling at Belfast) - arriving 29 October 1932 - Duchess of Atholl. Thomas (labourer) going to Headwood, Ballymure. Co Antrim.
Sandra
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Thomas A Semple was going to "Going to Uncle Arthur Semple in Georgetown Ontario"
FIND A GRAVE shows a Arthur Temple buried in Georgetown.
Greenwood Cemetery Georgetown, Halton Regional Municipality, Ontario.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/167254471
wife Leandra nee Steele - 10 January 1957
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/167254480/leandra-semple
Arthur Semple born 1871 Ireland married Leanora Steele 7 June 1919 Halton Ontario.
Arthur's parents were James Semple and Mother Elizabeth Graham
Sandra
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Odd how the immigration for Thomas says going to Uncle Arthur but the obit of Charles says
Brother of Arthur of St. Catharines and Thomas of Scarborough, Mary Armstrong and Lily Armstrong, both of Northern Ireland.
Lily was my great grandmother so these are the correct people. I also knew my great great aunt Mary.
That isn't the correct Thomas but Arthur and Charles did have a brother Thomas who went to Canada and in the obit quoted earlier he is referred to as 'brother' and in Scarborough.
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Thomas A Semple was going to "Going to Uncle Arthur Semple in Georgetown Ontario"
FIND A GRAVE shows a Arthur Temple buried in Georgetown.
Greenwood Cemetery Georgetown, Halton Regional Municipality, Ontario.
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/167254471
wife Leandra nee Steele - 10 January 1957
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/167254480/leandra-semple
Arthur Semple born 1871 Ireland married Leanora Steele 7 June 1919 Halton Ontario.
Arthur's parents were James Semple and Mother Elizabeth Graham
Sandra
So this isn't the same Arthur. The one I am related to is:
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/148677927/arthur-semple
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Looks like two different Semple families. One from Antrim and one from Tyrone.
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Canada Voters List - 1974 - Thomas Semple - (retired) 37 Princemere Crescent Scarborough York Ontario.
Also living same address - Arthur Desrochers (retired) and Mrs Laura Desrochers.
Sandra
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Canada Voters List - 1974 - Thomas Semple - (retired) 37 Princemere Crescent Scarborough York Ontario.
Also living same address - Arthur Desrochers (retired) and Mrs Laura Desrochers.
Sandra
Thank you Sandra. Looks like I'll have to take out a months subs to extend my Ancestry to cover Canada so I can go through these and try and pinpoint where the various families ended up.
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Canada Voters List 1957/58 - Charles Semple (machinist) Ruby and Walt Homer (butcher) and Mrs Shirley Homer (meat packer) - Broadview Ontari.
Canada Voters List 1974 - Charles and Ruby Semple (retired) - residing Apt 717 Kingston Road. Greenwood Ontario.
Sandra
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Canada Voters List 1963 - William Homer (butcher) and Mrs Shirley Homer -47 Benlamond Avenue. Danforth Toronto - also at same address Mrs Edith Bateman - sec.
Canada Voters List 1965 - William Homer (butcher) and Mrs Shirley Homer Deanvar Avenue. York Scarborough Ontario also Mrs Edith Bateman - secretary and Margaret Bateman - clerk.
Sandra
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Canada Voters List 1949 - Arthur Semple - paper box employee - and Lita - 60 Galt Avenue Broadview. Ontario. (also a Herman Moorcroft - painter at this address)
Canada Voters List 1974 - Arthur Semple - security guard - 273 St Pauls Street West. St Catherines, Ontario.
Sandra
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Canada Voters List 1963 - William Homer (butcher) and Mrs Shirley Homer -47 Benlamond Avenue. Danforth Toronto - also at same address Mrs Edith Bateman - sec.
Canada Voters List 1965 - William Homer (butcher) and Mrs Shirley Homer Deanvar Avenue. York Scarborough Ontario also Mrs Edith Bateman - secretary and Margaret Bateman - clerk.
Sandra
Hi,
I think the W and S that Sandra posted in reply #19 are correct (different W name - was a butcher). I found the obit for Edith Bateman from reply #20. She is the mother of this S and the late Stanley. The Bateman/Homers are not part of the csjjpm's Semple family.
RK
ADDED - Rethought that.... perhaps the second W and S could also be related. I don't know for sure. I only know that this S is the daughter of Edith Bateman.
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In case this is your Charles and Rebecca...
Rebecca's obituary is in the Toronto Star 16 April 1983, page A14.
Rebecca (Ruby) Semple died on April 15, 1983. Wife of Charles Semple. Mother of Norman and J Semple, both of Kingston; S (Mrs W Homer), J (Mrs J Howard), B and Ronald Semple, all of Toronto. Grandmother of 13, great grandmother of 3. Interment Pine Hills
Cemetery.
RK
Are they not the ones in the obituary of Rebecca (Ruby) ??
Sandra
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Hi,
Norman Charles Semple's obit just has the name S - no mention of her husband's first name. Ruby's obit just has S's full first name, but husband is listed by initial W. Homer (no full first name). Charles's obit is the same. S's first name is given in full, but her husband is W. Homer (no full first name... just the initial.)
You found a Walt Homer, wife Sh.... living with Charles and Ruby (Reply 19). This must be the correct S and W Homer.
The next finding was a William Homer with wife Sh... living with Edith Bateman. Edith is the mother of this Sh... and this Sh... has a brother (deceased) named Stanley.
This made me wonder if there were two W Homers, butchers, married to women named Sh....!! ???
Toronto Directories here....
https://www.torontopubliclibrary.ca/history-genealogy/lh-digital-city-directories.jsp
Looking at 1964, there is a Walter Semple Homer, working for Canada Packers (this is a meat packing company) living at 103 Marjorie Ave. There is also a William J Semple Homer, butcher, living at 47 Benlamond Ave.
RK
Modified... got my Semples and Homers mixed up!! Sorry :P
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Canada Voters List 1974 - had Walter Homer (formulator) Shirley Homer (housewife) and a "R"
2575 Danforth Avenue Greenwood
Sandra
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1958...Walter T Homer, works for Canada Packers, living at 103 Marjorie Ave. There is also a Charles Semple listed at 103 Marjorie Avenue.
There is a William C Homer and a William R Homer in the directory... no William J Homer, butcher in 1958. Perhaps William, the butcher, moved to Toronto later?? Or he is younger and isn't listed on his own yet? Could he be the son of Walter and Sh...?? Or am I stretching too far ??? ???
RK
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Canada Voters List 1974 - had Walter Homer (formulator) Shirley Homer (housewife) and a "R"
2575 Danforth Avenue Greenwood
Sandra
That sounds good... I am sure I saw one of the directories say he was a formulator for Canada Packers. :)
RK
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Canada Voters List 1974 - had Walter Homer (formulator) Shirley Homer (housewife) and a "R"
2575 Danforth Avenue Greenwood
Sandra
That sounds good... I am sure I saw one of the directories say he was a formulator for Canada Packers. :)
RK
Both 1965 and 1974 voters lists has Walter as a formulator. There is another 'Walter Homer' who is a 'Gentleman' ?!?!
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The 1968 entry in Broadview has Robert Homer a machine operator. Likely their son?
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Canada Voters List 1974 - had Walter Homer (formulator) Shirley Homer (housewife) and a "R"
2575 Danforth Avenue Greenwood
Sandra
That sounds good... I am sure I saw one of the directories say he was a formulator for Canada Packers. :)
RK
Both 1965 and 1974 voters lists has Walter as a formulator. There is another 'Walter Homer' who is a 'Gentleman' ?!?!
Just looked back in the 1958 directory... Where Walter T Homer and Charles Semple are listed at the same address. Walter T Homer is a formulator for Canada Packers -- the meat packing plant. All of the voters lists showing Walter Homer as a formulator or butcher must be your Walter Homer.
Sometimes people list themselves as a "Gentleman" if they are retired and living on their own means.
RK
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Thank you for the work and confirmation.
BW
Paul
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Can't help with a find but would like to suggest...
You might check if your local public library subscribes to Ancestry Library Edition. This would give you access to Canadian records.
PB
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Can't help with a find but would like to suggest...
You might check if your local public library subscribes to Ancestry Library Edition. This would give you access to Canadian records.
PB
Thank you I'll look into that. I've a 2nd cousin in Canada and he said he'd look stuff up for me as well.
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I believe I have a family member who may be related to Norman Semple.
A Norman Semple whose family was from N. Ireland then settled by Toronto briefly m a Conroy & had a child in 1955. This Norman was in the military & he & child had no contact after the divorce & the mother eventually moved to California.
Would like.to discuss more. Also one of her children did a DNA test at 23 & me.