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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Topic started by: Forfarian on Wednesday 04 April 18 23:20 BST (UK)
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William Lamb Muir was born in Lochgargens, Kirkcudbrightshire on 18 June 1865. On 4 October 1894 he married Anna Scott in the County Hotel, Forfar. He gave his occupation as draper and his address as 108 Upper Brook Street, Manchester. In 1901 he and Anna were at 27 Chester Road, Northwich, Cheshire. I have failed to find them in 1911. Anna died on 24 September 1929 at Craigville, Kirkcudbright, and her death was registered by her widower. I cannot find his death. Any ideas?
A William Lamb Muir, aged 30, immigrated to St Albans, Franklin, Vermont, USA in 1895, but I don't think it's him because the transcription of that record says he was born in Newmains, and the one I am looking for was in Cheshire in 1901.
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He was still in Hartford, Northwich when the 1906 Kelly's Directory of Cheshire was prepared.
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He's still in Kircudbright valuation rolls 1926 to 1930
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Hi Forfarian ,
A William Lamb Muir, aged 30, immigrated to St Albans, Franklin, Vermont, USA in 1895, but I don't think it's him because the transcription of that record says he was born in Newmains, and the one I am looking for was in Cheshire in 1901.
Looking at the records on Familysearch I think that William Lamb Muir went to the USA in 1923 and was born in 1893 Scotland -
William Lamb Muir , event date 1895 - 1924 , event place Vermont United States , male age 30 , birth Newmains Scotland.
William Lamb Muir , Cheshire Register of Electors(1842-1900) , 1898 - 1900.
So many William Muir's born in Scotland around 1865 :-\
ev
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There was a William Lamb Muir living in Dumfries in 1911
http://digital.nls.uk/directories/browse/archive/85540416?mode=transcription
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A Mr W L Muir was advertising the Craigville property for sale in the Yorkshire Post and The Scotsman, of 8th April 1930, all applications to him, proprietor, at Craigville.
Craigville was mentioned too in 1909 newspapers, in connection with will of a Miss Jessie Murray Muir. And in 1904, mentioned as address of wine and spirit merchant, James Muir.
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On the valuation rolls 1917-1930 at Craigville, 89 St Mary Street, Kirkcudbright
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There's a William Lamb Muir at Troqueer, Kirkcudbright in the 1905 valuation roll, and he appears to be still there in the 1911 census.
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Thanks, everyone, that is all very helpful. I see there is nothing after 1930.
I have now got him in the 1911 census index, but still don't understand why I couldn't find him (searched for Muir, William L*) yesterday.
Jessie Murray Muir could be his aunt. She died in 1909 in Kirkcudbright, aged 74. And James Muir died in Kirkcudbright in 1904, aged 81. In 1901 there's a household in Kirkcudbright consisting of James Muir, 78; William Muir, 74; and Jessie Muir, 66. A William Muir died in Kirkcudbright in 1917, aged 90.
So it looks as if Craigville might have been a family house where William and Anna moved from Troqueer after the deaths of their uncles and aunt, and after Anna's death he sold it - and disappeared, at the age of 65.
BTW I think Lochgargens is a misreading of Lochfergus. WLM was at Lochfergus in 1881 with his widowed mother and various siblings.
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I'm not seeing William in 1939 English register either
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Thank you for that. Another good idea eliminated!
I suppose me must have emigrated but why would someone emigrate at age 65+ after spending a lifetime, most of it very close to his roots, in Britain and having no family of his own to go and join?
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In 1930 (Carluke) a William Lamb Muir was in fatal vehicle accident in Carluke. Not someone else died.
There are also several references to Wm Lamb Muir in the Scotland and England including deaths pre 1930 so there are more than just one.
I am afraid you might have to look at the other Wm Muir's b 1865 who died elsewhere in Scotland.
No probates/wills?
Don
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In 1930 (Carluke) a William Lamb Muir was in fatal vehicle accident in Carluke. Not someone else died.
Interesting. Where did you find that?
There are also several references to Wm Lamb Muir in the Scotland and England including deaths pre 1930 so there are more than just one.
Yes, there seem to be surprisingly many of them.
I am afraid you might have to look at the other Wm Muir's b 1865 who died elsewhere in Scotland.
Indeed. There are 'only' two or three dozen, so it is feasible to do so, but I have already tried to find him by this means in the SP Centre without success.
No probates/wills?
If he died in Scotland there will be no probate because there is no such thing in Scots Law. There might be a confirmation (the equivalent process in Scotland) but the online ones only go to 1925, so that is a trip to the Historical Search Room.
I have already checked the English calendar of probate for Anna (nothing doing) and for every William L Muir in the English death indexes. Again, no joy.
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Actually you can also check for the existence of wills in Scotland online from the Calendar of Confirmations of Wills and Inventories 1876 -1936.Not only is there greater detail than the index on Scotland's People but, of course, it gives an "extra" 11 years. (Cannot see an entry for William Lamb Muir).
You might find the Calendar entries for Jessie Murray Muir of interest as there are two for her, one in 1909 and one in 1917 - in the former her executor is a named as William Muir of Craigville, while in the latter confirmation was granted ad non executa to William Lamb Muir of Craigville.(There is in 1917 also an entry for James Muir who died 25 Jan 1904 with confirmation again ad non executa to William Lamb Muir).
Two further entries are for William Muir of Craigville (and surely linked to the above) who died 18, April 1917 - confirmation granted 7 July to William Lamb Muir. A further entry in 1919 has an eik granted.
Also note that there are entries for the above in the England and Wales Probate Calendar.
William
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Actually you can also check for the existence of wills in Scotland online from the Calendar of Confirmations of Wills and Inventories 1876 -1936.Not only is there greater detail than the index on Scotland's People but, of course, it gives an "extra" 11 years. (Cannot see an entry for William Lamb Muir).
You might find the Calendar entries for Jessie Murray Muir of interest as there are two for her, one in 1909 and one in 1917 - in the former her executor is a named as William Muir of Craigville, while in the latter confirmation was granted ad non executa to William Lamb Muir of Craigville.(There is in 1917 also an entry for James Muir who died 25 Jan 1904 with confirmation again ad non executa to William Lamb Muir).
Two further entries are for William Muir of Craigville (and surely linked to the above) who died 18, April 1917 - confirmation granted 7 July to William Lamb Muir. A further entry in 1919 has an eik granted.
Also note that there are entries for the above in the England and Wales Probate Calendar.
William
Indeed. I have found all three deaths in the SP index (James 1904, Jessie 1909, William 1917), but not the survivor/widower/executor WLM who is the one I am interested in. But thank you for checking the later Calendar of Confirmations and Calendar of Probate.
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Well kiddo I found Anna's obit.
MUIR . —On 24th September , Anna Scott , dearly loved wife of William Lamb Muir, Craigville, Kirkcudbright. Sadly missed, Funeral tomorrow (Thursday) at 2:30 to Galtway Churchyard , Kirkcudbright . This is the only intimation and invitation.
Perhaps William is there as well which should be fairly easy to determine.
Don
Let me know if you want copies of the originals.
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Thanks, Don. That's great. Which paper was it in?
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It was in the 25th Sept 1929 edition of The Scotsman.
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That fatal motor accident in 1930 is reported in the Carluke and Lanark Gazette of 14 February 1930. A six year old girl was hit by a car and died of her injuries. The owner of the vehicle was William Lamb Muir of Loch View, Newmains.
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The one in Newmains in 1930 was a son of a William Lamb Muir who had been a colliery manager for 24 years (per a lengthy article about one of his brothers in the Motherwell Times of 14 December 1928 ). So not your man.
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Thanks, both.
I did search The Scotsman but that didn't come up. It has, just now, when I tried again. Wouldn't be the first time that ProQuest has failed to find something I know to be there :(
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Well.
Dumfries and Galoway Council have a record of an inscription in Galtway Kirkyard reading, "Erected by John Muir, Low Banks in memory of his wife Elizabeth Tod who died 3rd April 1853. Also to the memory of the above John Muir who died at Low Banks 25th July 1862. Also to the memory of Anna Scott, wife of William Lamb Muir who died at Craigville, Kirkcudbright 24th September 1929 aged 60 years."
There is a photo at https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/153351904/john-muir but the Findagrave index does not list her as either Anna Scott or Anna Muir.
John Muir (1826-1869), son of John Muir and Elizabeth Todd, was the father of William Lamb Muir.
James Muir (d 1904), Jessie Murray Muir (d 1909) and probably William Muir (d 1917) were the siblings of William Lamb Muir's mother Marion Muir (d 1900).
So the search for the death of William Lamb Muir must continue. In fact I have not made an any progress at all towards that, in spite of all the wonderful information supplied in this thread, thanks everyone.
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I have to ask Forfarian, did they check for burials as well or just MI's?
I find it odd that from 1930+ if he died in Scotland and even England he would have been buried with family unless he remarried or nobody knew who he or his family was. The again he could have died overseas while on holiday.
Don
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Forfarian, I have looked at this a number of times trying to help...and haven't been able to find anything for you :-\
Frustrating for sure.
Monica
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I have to ask Forfarian, did they check for burials as well or just MI's?
They did. However Galtway Kirkyard was managed by the kirk and the burial records are not extant. The council person was very sorry they could not tell me whether anyone else was buried in the same lair.
The more avenues of enquiry prove fruitless here, the more likely it is that WLM emigrated after the death of his wife, though I can't imagine why.