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Title: Mary Ellen Blackburn bn 1848 Cheshire, UK married Nicolas George bn 1833 Greece.
Post by: Georgee on Thursday 05 April 18 04:51 BST (UK)
This couple were married in New Zealand on 1st October 1864.  I have been unable to find passenger lists of when they came to New Zealand. He was a sailor. thanks for any help.
Title: Re: Mary Ellen Blackburn bn 1848 Cheshire, UK married Nicolas George bn 1833 Greece.
Post by: KGarrad on Thursday 05 April 18 08:42 BST (UK)
No passenger lists, from the UK, were kept until 1890.

You need to research the NZ end.
Title: Re: Mary Ellen Blackburn bn 1848 Cheshire, UK married Nicolas George bn 1833 Greece.
Post by: Georgee on Thursday 05 April 18 22:34 BST (UK)
Thankyou for that, I didn't realise that.  I got their marriage certificate this end, plus movements here, but couldn't find anything else before marriage, hence my request to you. - thanks.
Title: Re: Mary Ellen Blackburn bn 1848 Cheshire, UK married Nicolas George bn 1833 Greece.
Post by: dcbnwh on Friday 06 April 18 13:46 BST (UK)
Assuming that the family is from Cheadle, it appears on the 1851 census but not 1861.

The last child to be baptised there seems to be Thomas on 27th July 1851, son of Thomas and Mary (Berry) of Edgeley, the same as Mary in 1848.

There are some Merchant Seaman records of George Nicholas. One born in Corfu and one in Cephalonia. The last records of either is 1856. The one from Corfu also may have been in the army in army - 1851 the 47th (The Lancashire) Regiment Of Foot.

David
Title: Re: Mary Ellen Blackburn bn 1848 Cheshire, UK married Nicolas George bn 1833 Greece.
Post by: Georgee on Saturday 07 April 18 08:39 BST (UK)
I found Mary Ellen on Ancestry census 1861.
I wonder if I could find Nicolas on the Merchant Seaman's records, would that be UK. - thankyou.
Title: Re: Mary Ellen Blackburn bn 1848 Cheshire, UK married Nicolas George bn 1833 Greece.
Post by: garstonite on Saturday 07 April 18 09:36 BST (UK)
http://cprdb.csc.liv.ac.uk/
database
baptism
Blackburn
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PAGE 10
Top Entry - click on circle then on oblong
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Mary Ellen Blackburn
baptised 24th September 1848 in Cheadle Parish
father - Thomas
mother Mary
Thomas occupation - Spinner
abode Edgeley
so have a look at 1851 census for Thomas /Mary /Mary Blackburn in Edgeley ,Cheshire
Title: Re: Mary Ellen Blackburn bn 1848 Cheshire, UK married Nicolas George bn 1833 Greece.
Post by: garstonite on Saturday 07 April 18 09:51 BST (UK)
Mary Ellen Blackburn parents Parish Marriage record

KEYCODE
CHDLM06502539.20048

PADVER
chdlM2539.2

PARISH_CODE
CHDL

TAGGED
0

DATED
8470404 = 4/april/1847

GROOM_FNAME
THOMAS

GROOM_SNAME
BLACKBURN

GROOM_STATUS
BA

GROOM_OCCUPATION
SPINNER

GROOM_RESID
CHEB = Cheadle Bulkeley

GROOM_AGE
FU

GROOM_SIGN
X

BANNS
BS

BRIDE_FNAME
MARY

BRIDE_SNAME
BERRY

BRIDE_STATUS
SP

BRIDE_RESID
CHEB

BRIDE_AGE
FU

BRIDE_SIGN
X

W_FNAME_1
BENJAMIN

W_SNAME_1
STARR XX

W_FNAME_2
ELLEN

W_SNAME_2
STARR XX

C_FNAME
CHARLES

C_SNAME
CUMMING

G_F_FNAME
JOHN

G_F_OCCUPATION
SPINNER

B_F_FNAME
THOMAS

B_F_OCCUPATION
CROFTER

ADDITIONAL_INFORMATION
THOMAS  Deceased
..........................................................
so you now also have Mary Ellen Blackburn father - Thomas - and Grandfather John Blackburn - also a spinner ....abode Cheadle Bulkeley ,Cheshire ...if you carry on with that site you should be able to get Thomas mother if you look up John Blackburn marriage - occ Spinner
Title: Re: Mary Ellen Blackburn bn 1848 Cheshire, UK married Nicolas George bn 1833 Greece.
Post by: garstonite on Saturday 07 April 18 10:03 BST (UK)
Mary Berry
baptised 19th june 1821
Cheadle Parish
abode Edgeley
father Thomas - occ  Bleacher
mother Mary
.............................................................................................
Title: Re: Mary Ellen Blackburn bn 1848 Cheshire, UK married Nicolas George bn 1833 Greece.
Post by: dcbnwh on Saturday 07 April 18 10:07 BST (UK)
I can see Mary in 1861 now - transcribed as Mary C.

The seamen's records are British and can be found on Findmypast. Quite a few George Nicholas records over the years, so they may be related.

David
Title: Re: Mary Ellen Blackburn bn 1848 Cheshire, UK married Nicolas George bn 1833 Greece.
Post by: Georgee on Saturday 07 April 18 20:39 BST (UK)
Thankyou all, for all of your information.  It will keep me busy observing it. thankyou so much.
Title: Re: Mary Ellen Blackburn bn 1848 Cheshire, UK married Nicolas George bn 1833 Greece.
Post by: Jas1989 on Tuesday 10 July 18 09:52 BST (UK)
Just adding a bit more for you.

Nicholas George married Mary Ellen Blackburn 1st October 1864 in New Zealand.

Had five children, 3-male 1868, 1870, 1887 and 2-female 1876, 1878.

Died Stratford New Zealand 5th February 1921 (interesting side note. Death certificate states he was born in Egypt 1833. Family always have said Greece).

Mary Ellen Blackburn died 13th August 1902.

1868 - child was Julio George born NZ 1868 to and died NZ 1944.
Married: Margaret Readie - born Ireland 1872 - died NZ 1942.

Had two sons:
Arthur George 1902-1980 (one daughter Janice 1943 - current)
Tomas George 1905 - 1965 (two children)
Title: Re: Mary Ellen Blackburn bn 1848 Cheshire, UK married Nicolas George bn 1833 Greece.
Post by: Jas1989 on Wednesday 11 July 18 11:17 BST (UK)
Re. Georgee,

Thanks for your message. Love to catch up as also in NZ. Nicolas's death certificate stated born in Egypt, which is hopefully correct. In the old days it seemed you could say anything when it came to government requirements for birth/death certificates etc. Did have a grandmother on a different side of the family who seemed to get younger with every child she had born.
I can't reply to your messages via the system as need to post three times. If you want to leave my a contact email I can make contact or ask me to post again.

Thanks Jason.
Title: Re: Mary Ellen Blackburn bn 1848 Cheshire, UK married Nicolas George bn 1833 Greece.
Post by: joankbnz on Wednesday 23 January 19 00:00 GMT (UK)
You've made a lot of progress with Nicholas and Mary Ellen George. As Mary Ellen Blackburn was the older sister of my husband's grandfather, I'd love to compare notes, as I've been researching them since the 1980s and have a large family file.

I think the comment that Nicholas' death certificate isn't correct, and his son born in Egypt may have been confused. In his army service record he lists Nicholas' birthplace as Carso, Greece. From a 1916 court case, Nicholas was known in Kaiapoi as the 'old Greek'.

Title: Re: Mary Ellen Blackburn bn 1848 Cheshire, UK married Nicolas George bn 1833 Greece.
Post by: Georgee on Wednesday 23 January 19 02:12 GMT (UK)
Thankyou, that is most helpful.