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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Monaghan => Topic started by: aidansrest on Friday 06 April 18 16:57 BST (UK)
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Hi
Looking for the baptism for a Patrick Carolan.
The 1911 census reveals that he was born in County Monaghan and the 1939 register also reveals that his birth date was 15th December 1849.
He can be found in Sunderland in 1871 as a lodger living in Back of Matlock Street with John and Mary Hand, who were both born in Ireland.
He married Mary McNeeney in Sunderland in 1876.
Mary was born in Sunderland and was around 4 years younger than Patrick.
Despite searching for hours, I can't find a birth for her, nor can I find her prior to her marriage. The baptisms of the couple's children (all St Mary's, Sunderland) give her maiden name as McNeeney too.
Patrick died in Sunderland in 1943.
Thanks
Sue
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Can you give the details from their marriage certificate - father's name and occupation and her address at the time?
Debra :)
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Unfortunately not - I'm trying to avoid buying it, but feel that doing so may be the only way I can identify both Patrick and Mary's parents (or father's at least) positively.
They named their first tow sons, Hugh and John, so I suspect that this may (just may) be their respective father's names.
Sue
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1851 2398/442/5
Bernard McEneny 30 yrs
Rose McEneny 24 yrs
John McEneny 2 months
Southwick, Durham
1871 5019/26/45
Bernard and Rose McNey with a large family.
Possibility but marriage would confirm.
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This one perhaps...
MACINNINE, MARY
Mother's maiden surname: BYRN
GRO Reference: 1852 J Quarter in SUNDERLAND Volume 10A Page 356
1851 2398/442/5
Bernard McEneny 30 yrs
Rose McEneny 24 yrs
John McEneny 2 months
Southwick, Durham
1871 5019/26/45
Bernard and Rose McNey with a large family.
The children's births for this family do seem to match with Mary posted above - all with mother's name as BYRN/BYRNE/BURN etc.
Debra :)
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Looks good, Debra :)
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Yes, thank you, I agree!
Still may purchase Patrick and Mary's marriage certificate to make sure - will let everyone know!
Sue
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Hi
Marriage certificate has arrived!
Mary McNeeney's father was John McNeeney - a labourer, address in 1876 given as Carley Road, Southwick.
Patrick's father was Hugh Carolan (deceased) a labourer.
Sue
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That’s a shame :(
Was that address given for both parties? Was there a house number?
Who were the witnesses?
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Hi
Patrick's was Matlock Street (he was there in 1871, confirming his identity), and Mary's was given as Carley Road, Southwick. No number given.
Witnesess were a Michael Collins (might be Michael Callan who was with Patrick in 1871), and a Jane Waters.
Sue
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Hi Sue,
This could be your man.
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000632805#page/84/mode/1up
Patrick Carolan
Baptised: 15 December 1849
Parents: Hugh Carolan and Agnes Agnew
Sponsors: Henry and Bridget Agnew
Looks like Townland of Leitrim
Parish of Magheracloone, County Monaghan.
Kindest regards,
Daniel Ryan.
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Thank you so much!
Sue
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you could look for Siblings or Marriage of Parents/Siblings etc in Registers
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0293 with Basic Filters for years, Marriages etc.