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Title: Crowe family Aberdeen Scotland
Post by: Vncrowe on Saturday 07 April 18 05:35 BST (UK)
Looking for any children from marriage of John Henry Crowe and Christine Robertson Aberdeen Scotland district.
Title: Re: Crowe family Aberdeen Scotland
Post by: Girl Guide on Saturday 07 April 18 06:43 BST (UK)
Welcome to Rootschat

Can you tell us when their marriage took place?  There is a death for a John Henry Crowe aged 37  in 1928 in the Peterculter West district.

Title: Re: Crowe family Aberdeen Scotland
Post by: Girl Guide on Saturday 07 April 18 07:02 BST (UK)
There doesn't appear to be any marriage registered for this couple on Scotland's People website.

Did they marry in Scotland or elsewhere?
Title: Re: Crowe family Aberdeen Scotland
Post by: Girl Guide on Saturday 07 April 18 07:06 BST (UK)
I have found this marriage on Free bmd

Marriages Mar 1916   
Crowe    John H    Robertson    Wareham    5a   590    
Robertson    Christine    Crowe    Wareham    5a   590

As you have not given any date for their marriage this is a stab in the dark.
Title: Re: Crowe family Aberdeen Scotland
Post by: rosie17 on Saturday 07 April 18 09:00 BST (UK)
Hi and welcome to Rootschat ..There is a tree on Ancestry for a John Henry Robertson Jackson Crowe  born 1891 Elgin ..Son of John and Eliza Crowe ..is it yours ?

There is a probate record which matches the death for John Henry Crowe that Girl Guide found in
1928

John Henry Crowe of Braeside Cottage Malcolm Road Peterculter died 11 April 1928 at
Tor-Na -Dee Sanatorium Murtle ..Confirmation of Christine Robertson or Crowe widow sealed
London 12 June ...

Possible death for Christine Crowe other name Robertson 1982 Aberdeen age 88 if this is the right
Person maybe check who registered the death certificate

Rosie
Title: Re: Crowe family Aberdeen Scotland
Post by: rosie17 on Saturday 07 April 18 09:16 BST (UK)
Have you tried looking at Newspapers for the deaths of these people to see if any family are mentioned ..

Rosie
Title: Re: Crowe family Aberdeen Scotland
Post by: Vncrowe on Sunday 08 April 18 02:18 BST (UK)
This is exactly who I am interested in. John Henry Robertson Jackson Crowe was my paternal grandmother's brother. They were both born in Elgin. My grandmother, Victoria Hylda Mary at age 27, came to Australia in 1914. I am interested to know if John and Christine had children and if so are they still alive. I can't come up with anything and don't know where to look now. I have nine siblings and between us we have 18 children and there are plenty of children from them, so if there are any relatives in Scotland, they have a heap of relatives in Australia.
Title: Re: Crowe family Aberdeen Scotland
Post by: rosie17 on Sunday 08 April 18 09:47 BST (UK)
I had a quick look on the births in England using the mother's maiden name but nothing seems to jump out ...Maybe look on the Electoral Rolls to see where they were living ..I did see John Crowe
On the Valuation Record in 1925 at the address listed on the probate  record .on Scotland's People ...Will see if I can find anything else

Rosie
Title: Re: Crowe family Aberdeen Scotland
Post by: [Ray] on Sunday 08 April 18 10:14 BST (UK)


The Crowe family are in Elgin 1901
Shouth Street Cherry Cottage
John Crowe     49
 Eliza Crowe     38
 Victoria Crowe     13
 John H J R Crowe     9

10 years later Victoria would appear to be a nurse in Burnley hospital.



Title: Re: Crowe family Aberdeen Scotland
Post by: rosie17 on Monday 09 April 18 11:28 BST (UK)
Sorry I have not been able to find anything else on this couple the tree on Ancestry has a date of death for Christine Robertson/Crowe ...Might be worth getting in contact with the owner to see who registered the death .....

This is his family on the 1881 census address 7,West Street Elgin
John Crowe age 35 born Aberdeen teacher of singing
Eliza Crowe age 26 born Glasgow ? on the 1901 census says she was born England
Caroline Eliza Crowe age 11 months born Elgin
Lizzie Grant age 19 Domestic

1891 census address High Street Elgin
John Crowe 44 born Aberdeen teacher of music
Eliza Crowe 33 born Glasgow
Caroline E Crowe 10 born Elgin
Henrietta Crowe age 7 born Elgin
Victoria H M Crowe age 3 born Elgin
Lizzie McKidd 21 servant

Possible death for Henrietta Rache Crowe 1960 Banchory Ternan
Possible record for marriage for Caroline 1913 to Bertram Joseph Thomson 1913 Inverness
Death for Caroline E Thompson 1917 Stromness age 36
These records on Scotlands People you might have these already

Rosie



Title: Re: Crowe family Aberdeen Scotland
Post by: Vncrowe on Tuesday 10 April 18 06:46 BST (UK)
Thanks very much for info people. Really appreciate the help.i I have come across a Norma C. Crowe maybe a baptism at St Nicholas’ Church in Aberdeen in 1922. Wondering who her parents were. Have been through a few records but came up with nothing.
Title: Re: Crowe family Aberdeen Scotland
Post by: rosie17 on Tuesday 10 April 18 09:14 BST (UK)
Don't see a birth so far for a Norma C Crowe where did you find the baptism  ...I think John Henry Crowe was living in Cults 1921 ..Going by information from his father's probate record

Rosie
Title: Re: Crowe family Aberdeen Scotland
Post by: Forfarian on Tuesday 10 April 18 09:14 BST (UK)
Maybe Norma was an adult baptism?
Title: Re: Crowe family Aberdeen Scotland
Post by: rosie17 on Tuesday 10 April 18 09:23 BST (UK)
Maybe Norma was an adult baptism?

Could be of maybe adopted ..?

Rosie
Title: Re: Crowe family Aberdeen Scotland
Post by: Vncrowe on Thursday 12 April 18 12:11 BST (UK)
I just came across the name Norma C Crowe on Scotlands People and it stated something about 1922 , Aberdeen and St Nicholas, which is one of the churches in Aberdeen. Don't really know what it was about.
Title: Re: Crowe family Aberdeen Scotland
Post by: Vncrowe on Wednesday 18 April 18 11:15 BST (UK)
Eliza Robertson, daughter of Charles Dwight Robertson of Aberdeen, married John Crowe around Liverpool England in 1875 and they moved up to Scotland, where they lived in Elgin. Don’t know why Eliza went to England, probably for a job, but I’m wondering if John was born around Liverpool area. Very hard to tell because there seem to be so many John Crowe’s born in England. Can’t tell who is who and I’ve no idea what his parent’s names were. I think he was born somewhere around 1850. Charles Dwight Robertson seems to be missing a wife too. I’m going around the twist.
Title: Re: Crowe family Aberdeen Scotland
Post by: Forfarian on Wednesday 18 April 18 11:43 BST (UK)
Can’t tell who is who and I’ve no idea what his parent’s names were.
If he died in Scotland, his death certificate should tell you the full names of both his parents, including his mother's maiden surname.
Title: Re: Crowe family Aberdeen Scotland
Post by: rosie17 on Wednesday 18 April 18 14:43 BST (UK)
Eliza Robertson, daughter of Charles Dwight Robertson of Aberdeen, married John Crowe around Liverpool England in 1875 and they moved up to Scotland, where they lived in Elgin. Don’t know why Eliza went to England, probably for a job, but I’m wondering if John was born around Liverpool area. Very hard to tell because there seem to be so many John Crowe’s born in England. Can’t tell who is who and I’ve no idea what his parent’s names were. I think he was born somewhere around 1850. Charles Dwight Robertson seems to be missing a wife too. I’m going around the twist.

Marriage for John Crowe 24 April 1875 St Mathews Toxeth Lancashire
John Crowe age 28 occupation clerk address 47,Beaufort St  father John Crowe (packer)
Eliza Crowe age 21 spinster address Nile Street father Charles Dwight Robertson

You wont find a birth for John in England he was born in Aberdeen

Death for John Crowe 6 February 1921 age 70 at Grays Hospital Elgin (retired singing teacher )
Married to Elizabeth Robertson ..Parents John Crowe deceased and Jane Christie
Daughter Henrietta R Crowe registered the death address 32 North Street Elgin

Rosie
Title: Re: Crowe family Aberdeen Scotland
Post by: rosie17 on Wednesday 18 April 18 14:51 BST (UK)
1871 census address 50 Longacre St Nicholas Aberdeen
John Crowe age 49 born about 1822 Aberdeen labourer
Jane Crowe age 49 born about 1822 Malton Aberdeenshire
John Crowe Jr age 25 born about 1846 Aberdeen General clerk
William Crowe age 19 born about 1852 Aberdeen Student of Divinity
George H Crowe age 6 .............1865 Aberdeen scholar
Margaret Crowe age 20 ...........1851 Aberdeen woolen millworker (amended)
Mary Crowe age 15 ...............1856 Aberdeen envelope maker
Georgina Crowe age 9 ..............1861 Aberdeen scholar

Rosie
Title: Re: Crowe family Aberdeen Scotland
Post by: rosie17 on Wednesday 18 April 18 15:20 BST (UK)
This looks like the family in these census records
1851 Address 2,Jopps Lane Aberdeen surname Crow
John Crow age 37 occupation drayman
Jane Crow age 29
Jane Crow age 8
John age 6
Margaret age 1

1861 Address 3,Reids Court Aberdeen
John Crow age 40 Iron Porter
Jane Crow age 39
Jane Crow age 18 Mill Spinner
John Crow age 16 Shoemaker
Margaret Crow age 11 Scholar
William age 8 Mary age 6 ,David age 3

1881 Address Aberdeen
John Crowe age 60 formerly labourer
Jane Crowe age 60
Mary Crowe age 25 envelope maker
Georgina Crowe age 19 shop keeper ( amended  ;D )

George H Crowe age 16 general clerk (law )

1891 Address 97  Chapel Street Aberdeen
Jane Crowe age 69 living on private means
Georgina Crowe age 28
Mary Crowe age 35

1901 Adress 93 Huntly Street Aberdeen
Mary Crowe age 46
Georgina Crowe age 39

Death on Scotlands People looks possible
John Reid Crow 1882 St Nicholas Aberdeen age 60
Jane Crowe 1897 Aberdeen age 76

Baptism Record for John Crow 27 May 1845 St Nicholas Aberdeen
Father John Crow
Mother Jane Christie

Rosie
Title: Re: Crowe family Aberdeen Scotland
Post by: rosie17 on Wednesday 18 April 18 16:00 BST (UK)
Charles Dwight Robertson baptism 26 August 1826 Tarves Aberdeen
Father Patrick Robertson

1861 Census address 66 School Hill Aberdeen
Patrick Robertson age 84 b 1877 retired clergyman F C
Elisabeth Robertson age 76
Charles Dwight Robertson age 34 b Tarves ..merchant
Eliza Robertson age 4 b Glasgow daughter
Henry Jackson Robertson age 7 ? Shows as age 1 on freecen born London

Death for Charles Dwight Robertson 15 July 1861 at 66 Schoolhill Aberdeen age 33 occupation
Silkland Woolen Draper
Wife Eliza McBain
Father Patrick Robertson Minister of Free Church (no charge )
Mother Elizabeth Robertson maiden name Bennett
Death registered by brother in law Henry Jackson

Rosie






Title: Re: Crowe family Aberdeen Scotland
Post by: Forfarian on Wednesday 18 April 18 16:04 BST (UK)
1871 census address 50 Longacre St Nicholas Aberdeen
John Crowe age 49 born about 1822 Aberdeen labourer
Jane Crowe age 49 born about 1822 Malton Aberdeenshire
Someone with creative spelling skill has been busy with Jane's birthplace. as far as I know there is no Malton in Aberdeenshire and the nearest Malton is in Yorkshire.

The LDS transcription of the 1881 census gives John's birthplace as Aberdeen, and Jane's as New Machar.

And it lists Georgina, aged 19, shop keeper, as well as John, Jane, Mary and George H.
Title: Re: Crowe family Aberdeen Scotland
Post by: rosie17 on Wednesday 18 April 18 16:08 BST (UK)
1871 census address 50 Longacre St Nicholas Aberdeen
John Crowe age 49 born about 1822 Aberdeen labourer
Jane Crowe age 49 born about 1822 Malton Aberdeenshire
Someone with creative spelling skill has been busy with Jane's birthplace. as far as I know there is no Malton in Aberdeenshire and the nearest Malton is in Yorkshire.

The LDS transcription of the 1881 census gives John's birthplace as Aberdeen, and Jane's as New Machar.

Transcriptions on Ancestry  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Crowe family Aberdeen Scotland
Post by: rosie17 on Wednesday 18 April 18 16:14 BST (UK)
1871 Census address 53 ,Schoolhill Aberdeen
Henry Jackson age 48 born Inverurie ..Medical Practitioner
Eliza Robertson age 14 born Glasgow niece

Might be worth while looking for a birth in Glasgow for Eliza  ;)

Rosie
Title: Re: Crowe family Aberdeen Scotland
Post by: Forfarian on Wednesday 18 April 18 16:31 BST (UK)
Quote
Someone with creative spelling skill has been busy with Jane's birthplace. as far as I know there is no Malton in Aberdeenshire and the nearest Malton is in Yorkshire.
Transcriptions on Ancestry  ;D ;D
You won't be surprised that that doesn't surprise me ;D
Title: Re: Crowe family Aberdeen Scotland
Post by: rosie17 on Wednesday 18 April 18 17:03 BST (UK)
Quote
Someone with creative spelling skill has been busy with Jane's birthplace. as far as I know there is no Malton in Aberdeenshire and the nearest Malton is in Yorkshire.
Transcriptions on Ancestry  ;D ;D
You won't be surprised that that doesn't surprise me ;D

 ;D ;D
Title: Re: Crowe family Aberdeen Scotland
Post by: flst on Wednesday 18 April 18 20:21 BST (UK)
In case anyone's wondering, in 1871 John's occupation was a labourer at the harbour and Margaret was a woolen millworker. Information gleaned from Freecen :)
flst
Title: Re: Crowe family Aberdeen Scotland
Post by: flst on Wednesday 18 April 18 22:14 BST (UK)
http://libindx.moray.gov.uk/people/people_details_mainframe.asp?REF_ID=NM035176
If you click on this link you will see a lot of information on John Crow including a list of several newspaper articles about him. Click on view details on the lefthand side.
flst
Title: Re: Crowe family Aberdeen Scotland
Post by: flst on Wednesday 18 April 18 22:24 BST (UK)
http://libindx.moray.gov.uk/people/people_details_mainframe.asp?REF_ID=NM197440 this is a link for Caroline.
flst
Title: Re: Crowe family Aberdeen Scotland
Post by: Vncrowe on Friday 20 April 18 23:58 BST (UK)
Hello. Thank you for all the help. Looked up the birth, on the Scotlands People site, for Eliza Robertson, who eventually married John Crowe. She was apparently born is Glasgow to Charles Dwight and Eliza Robertson née McBain but the only registration I can find, which is likely to be around the right time, is a girl, Eliza, to Charles Robertson and Eliza Fraser at 122 New City Road Glasgow on 29/9/1856. Can't find an Eliza McBain anywhere.  ???  The census records say that Eliza was born in Glasgow and she was 4 at the time of the 1861 census.
Title: Re: Crowe family Aberdeen Scotland
Post by: rosie17 on Saturday 21 April 18 08:29 BST (UK)
On the birth certificate for Eliza 1856 Glasgow what was Charles's occupation ?  ..Have not been able to find Eliza McBain ?  No marriage etc  notice on the death for Charles it says married to Eliza McBain she is not down as deceased ..On the 1861 Census Charles is still showing  as Married ...Maybe try and see what happened to the son Henry Jackson Robertson

Rosie
Title: Re: Crowe family Aberdeen Scotland
Post by: rosie17 on Saturday 21 April 18 09:52 BST (UK)
Found Eliza the birth certificate you have had the right parents ....
Death for Eliza Robertson or Fraser of Iona Cottage Bankhead Parish of Newhills Aberdeenshire
Widow of Charles Dwight Robertson sometime commercial traveller ...Eliza died 12 April 1907 at Bankhead ..details from probate record mentions William B Robertson retired schoolmaster which could be the brother of Charles ...Obviously the wrong surname given by the informant  for Eliza on the death certificate for Charles

1871 Census address 31 Marywell Street Aberdeen
Eliza Robertson age 36 widow born about 1835 Grantown Morayshire ( draper )
Henry C Robertson age 11 born London
Elizabeth Shaw domestic
John MCWedderburn ...boarder you can view this on www.freecen.org.uk

1881 Eliza Robertson age 47 at 7,Bonaccord Terrace Aberdeen retired draper

Getting death certificate for Eliza will give you her parents names

Rosie



Title: Re: Crowe family Aberdeen Scotland
Post by: rosie17 on Saturday 21 April 18 10:06 BST (UK)
This could be a possible baptism record for their son
Henry Charles Jackson Robertson
17 July 1859 Haggerston St Mary Hackney England
Parents Charles and Eliza father's occupation looks like hosier

Death for Henry Charles Robertson otherwise Henry Charles Jackson 19,Golden Square Aberdeen
Chief Engineer ss Ifafa died 20 April 1896 at London ..details from probate confirmation granted 20 April to Henry Jackson MD  19,Golden Square Aberdeen

Rosie
Title: Re: Crowe family Aberdeen Scotland
Post by: rosie17 on Saturday 21 April 18 15:42 BST (UK)
Looks like their son on the 1881 census
Address Lonmay Villa Aberdeenshire
Mary Robertson age 61 b Tarves ( post master )
James Robertson age 30 ( son )
Mary A G N Robertson age 25 ( daughter )
Henry Robertson age 21 born England visitor (engineer on steam vessel )
Elizabeth Forsyth age 14 ( school teacher )

1901 census for Elizabeth Robertson age 67 born Grantown -on -Spey 1834 living on own means
Address 588,Holburn Street Aberdeen

rosie