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Title: Jones family of Trelech a'r Bettws
Post by: yattonharry on Saturday 07 April 18 08:44 BST (UK)
I have John Jones b Mydrim 1806 married to Esther Thomas b 1804 at Mydrim, Carmarthenshire, Wales
they married 07 March 1843 St Peter, Carmarthen
Esther seems to have died 02 July 1883 at Mydrim
By 1841 they are living at Trelech a'r Bettws and on 1851 the family is still at Trelech:
John Jones   43
Esther Jones   48
William Jones   12
Francis Jones   9
Henry Jones   2
If possible, I would like to know where John and Esther are buried please.  Many thanks.
Title: Re: Jones family of Trelech a'r Bettws
Post by: hanes teulu on Saturday 07 April 18 08:57 BST (UK)
The 1861 census has the family at Castellpigin (ref RG09  4145  8  9) - reduces the search period for year/s of death.
Title: Re: Jones family of Trelech a'r Bettws
Post by: yattonharry on Saturday 07 April 18 11:58 BST (UK)
Thanks for that. I should have given that census, as that is the last I can see of John Jones [in 1871] the 1881 may show his wife. She is a widow, from Trelech and has a grand-daughter named Susaneny which I assume is Susannah or a pet form of this. John James Jones who is either Esther's son or grandson, has a daughter named Susannah  so the Esther in 1881 may well be my
Esther Jones  [maiden name Thomas]
1881:
Esther Jones
Age   72
Estimated Birth Year   abt 1809
Relation   Head
Gender   Female
Where born   Treleach AR Bettws, Carmarthenshire, Wales
Civil parish   Carmarthen St Peter
County/Island   Carmarthenshire
Country   Wales
Street Address   College Road Pentremeurig
Condition as to marriage   Windower
Occupation   Washerwoman
Registration district   Carmarthen
Sub registration district   Carmarthen
ED, institution, or vessel   8
Piece   5398
Folio   91
Page number   22
Title: Re: Jones family of Trelech a'r Bettws
Post by: anthonygos on Saturday 07 April 18 12:13 BST (UK)
Have you taken a look into St Teilo's Church which is there.
Title: Re: Jones family of Trelech a'r Bettws
Post by: yattonharry on Saturday 07 April 18 14:11 BST (UK)
Thank you Anthony, but I am unable to get there. I live outside Wales these days.
Title: Re: Jones family of Trelech a'r Bettws
Post by: hanes teulu on Saturday 07 April 18 14:21 BST (UK)
Is this the 1881 "Esther Jones, washerwoman" in 1871?

Census ref - RG10  5499  6  6

Did your John and Esther have a son David?
Title: Re: Jones family of Trelech a'r Bettws
Post by: yattonharry on Saturday 07 April 18 14:27 BST (UK)
Yes there is a David. Born ca 1845.  And yes to your earlier message I believe that may well be the Esther I need.
Title: Re: Jones family of Trelech a'r Bettws
Post by: hanes teulu on Saturday 07 April 18 15:09 BST (UK)
Cannot see a David in either the '51 (William, Francis, Henry) or '61 (William, Henry, John) Census.

 
Title: Re: Jones family of Trelech a'r Bettws
Post by: Ayashi on Saturday 07 April 18 16:07 BST (UK)
I have a Jones line from Mydrim also! If I'm correct, I am descended from William JONES (native of Llangathen) and Mary LEWIS (native of Mydrim) married in Mydrim 13 Apr 1758, via their son Theophilus.
Title: Re: Jones family of Trelech a'r Bettws
Post by: yattonharry on Saturday 07 April 18 20:40 BST (UK)
My mistake. Sorry there is no David. I looked at my family tree and there is David shown, but this is an error. On the 1851 census are shown:

John Jones   43
Esther Jones   48
William Jones   12
Francis Jones   9
Henry Jones   2
Title: Re: Jones family of Trelech a'r Bettws
Post by: yattonharry on Saturday 07 April 18 20:49 BST (UK)
Hi Ayashi,
I have a William but born abt 1839 in Trelech. If we have taken these place names from census then with my families they change birthplaces often.

My William's parents are John Jones b 1809 and Esther Thomas b 1804. They married 7th March 1873 St Peter, Carmarthenshire, Wales. Do you connect. Yours are earlier aren't they?

My John's parents were John Jones and Ann James.
Title: Re: Jones family of Trelech a'r Bettws
Post by: Ayashi on Saturday 07 April 18 20:59 BST (UK)
Your John Snr would be the same generation as Theophilus. I have no known Johns, unfortunately, and as I say my earliest Jones comes from Llangathen, although for all I know more of his family might have come over as well.

It is unfortunate, I'd like to match up with a Jones and I got all excited. My mother's DNA is on Ancestry if that helps at all.
Title: Re: Jones family of Trelech a'r Bettws
Post by: yattonharry on Saturday 07 April 18 21:02 BST (UK)
Yes DNA Kit numbers help a lot. Where do I look on ancestry - have you a tree?  I can PM you.