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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northumberland => Topic started by: stevej60 on Saturday 07 April 18 12:49 BST (UK)
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Hi folk's,I wonder if yet again you can come up trump's on missing Family? My first one is
John Ford Smith,born Buckingham 1825,I have him from 1851-1901(Cencus) in Newcastle
to Gateshead ending up in 1901in St Joseph's Home Newcastle a pensioner,no indication of
his death and as his middle name was not always used difficult to trace a death(the curse of
the Smith name).Second is Robert Watson,born Gilling West c1826.I have Robert around the
region and found him in Benwell with his daughter Mary Ann Duke in the 1911 Cencus at a healthy
81 year's.again noluck with what happened to him.I wondered if anyone can help and assuming
they were buried in their last location's shed any light?
Regard's Steve Smith.
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Have you discarded this one - Benwell came under this registration district?
Deaths Sep 1913
Watson Robert 83
Newcastle T. 10b 3
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Personally I think that's him so I need to find a death notice and possible burial place which
hopefully will be in the Chronicle,John is more difficult as there are a few more probable's
that and the fact the rest of the family which was fairly large were in Gateshead,Lydia his wife
was buried in Gateshead East.
Many thank's,Steve.
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Evening Chronicle - Monday, July 7 1913
'WATSON.- AT (198?) Buddle Road (the residence of his son-in-law, J. A. (Duke?) on the 5th inst., Robert Watson, late of Middlesbro, aged 83 years. To be interred at Benwell, on Wednesday, July 9th at 3 p.m.; lift at 2.30. Friends please accept this intimation.'
I have put in brackets words which are not entirely clear.
Best Wishes :)
Amendment: Bigger magnifier showed son in law was called 'Duke'.
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Librarian suggested looking in Elswick Cemetery register for burial (to find plot) - I did but Robert is not there. :-\
However, I notice that there are St Joseph Home burials at this cemetery.
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A man sitting next to me has just suggested St James, at Benwell.
Tyne and Wear Archives may have this - I think they do.
I would have looked for you this week but work and family commitments won't permit.
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Two men next to me at the Newcastle library have just told me that St James Church, Benwell is usually open on a Saturday and members of the public can go and look at the records.
It might be worth checking out with the Church about this.
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That's interesting River Tyne Lass that your libraries are open on a Sunday, none around here open then.
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Newcastle City library (the big one in the city centre) is open on a Sunday 11 am - 4. So is South Shields library (one near the ferry landing).
No North Tyneside libraries open on Sunday.
I saw your post on here yesterday giving death registration and when Steve confirmed that he thought this was his Robert I thought it would be worth trying to look this up for him.
The two men in the library seemed both quite convinced that Robert will be at St James.
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Hi River Tyne Lass,many thank's for taking the time to find and send the information what a
great piece of news for us,I,m up in Sacriston so a trip over to the church and archive's is a
short journey I noticed the Church has a website and contact,I think there's a strong possibility
John Smith may have died back over in Gateshead I need to narrow the death's down between
there and Newcastle and pop into the library in Newcastle to search the Chronicle.
again many thank's to you and Groom.
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You are welcome Steve - I hope you do find Robert at St James.
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/NBL/DeathNotices/
Have you come across this link? It shows names of those who had notices in the Evening Chronicle up to 1906. Even if John died a lot later than this it is still a useful link to have handy.
Best Wishes for your researching. :)
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Many thank's again,I've seen checked the link a couple of my Kirton ancestor's are named I,ll
post anything else that comes to light onRobert or John.
regard's Steve.
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That would be great. I like to hear of successful outcomes for people who I have tried to help. So it will be good to hear how you get on with this.
I have also found some of my ancestors on this EC link I have attached.
http://margaret-hall-genealogy.com
I originally found this link on a great North East genealogy website called 'Margaret Hall Genealogy'. (See above) This is is a very useful website. Tyne and Wear User guides are also on this.
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Thank's for the Link,some of my Kirton Family are in the Chronicle burial's list!,I popped an E-mail
off to the St James Church heritage group site and this morning Steve from the group confirmed
Robert's burial plot and although no headstone survives I'll be paying a visit if we ever get another
sunny Day,again many many thank's for all your help.Now to find John Ford Smith!
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Oh that's wonderful to hear your Robert has been located. Good luck with find John with the Smith name - I would imagine this will be a nice challenge. :)
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The 1881 census has John Smith born Wendover Buckinghamshire living in Gateshead age 56 a clothiers assistant
Lydia Ann his wife age54
His son is John Ward Smith age28 his birth was registered Guisbrough 1854 his mothers maiden name is WARD.
If this is your John Smith 1825 then the middle name of WARD belongs to his son and not to him.
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Thank's for the reply amondg,His father was John Ford Smith bScotland c1790,he carried the same name
and his son was also John Ford Smith b Newcastle 1851 his wife was,Lydia Ann, James Fraser bGateshead
Ann Dove b Gateshead and William Abbey Smith bGateshead(my Gt Grandfather) who was in Leeds
in the 81 Cencus working,I have the 81 cencus printed so the Guisborough is a mystery.
Regard's Steve.
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https://stjameschurchnewcastle.files.wordpress.com/2018/03/st-james-graveyard-open-day-17-may-2018-flyer-pdf.pdf
There is an Open Day coming up at St James soon - perhaps this may of interest to you Steve?
Plus here is a general link for St James:
https://stjameschurchnewcastle.wordpress.com/
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Many thank's very interesting I'll have to check my work dates,just an update as a result of your
information I popped an e-mail to their heritage group and Steve from the group confirmed Robert's
burial and location,he's buried with his son in law and the address makes it 100% confirmed,Steve
then sent a photo of the family grave although Robert is not mentioned on the stone at least we now
know where he is so only John Smith now missing from my four 2xGt Grandfather's
again many thank's Steve.
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This is kind of you to let me know that Robert's burial and location has been confirmed 100%. How wonderful that you now have a photo of the grave too!
I have a similar situation with one of my ancestors who is buried in South Shields - two have their names on the gravestone but my research found that there are actually five of the family in the grave!
It probably will be a bit difficult for some people to attend this Open Day with it being on a week day, making it more difficult for some working people.
This Church's web page looks as though they have a lot of interesting things going on!
Thanks for the update, Steve, and best wishes for the challenge of finding John Smith. :)