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Title: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: ryan37 on Saturday 07 April 18 15:41 BST (UK)
Hi I’m trying to find the where and what came of a lot of my Samuel family

My  Great grandfathers siblings all lived in Canada

William Samuel born around 1883 in peterhead Scotland arrived in Canada at age of 19
Nobody knows what happened to him or if any family still living

Helen Samuel born 1891 in peterhead Scotland lived in Canada but nobody knows what happened to her or if there is any family still living

And finally

Alexander he was born in peterhead Scotland around 1896 he served in ww1 and then married a Florence reid braid around 1919 in Edinburgh

I think they moved to Hamilton Ontario along with 3 daughters

We only know what came of one of the daughters she is Laura E Samuel and she died on November 21st 1967 along with her husband Lloyd George paddon and 2 children apparently it was a sad subject of how they died they lived at 525 dundurn street south

But we don’t know what happened to the other 2 daughters


They are called

Constance Marie Samuel and Gladys Ann Samuel both born around 1920-1921 in Scotland

Is anyone able to point me in the direction of where these people maybe married or died or if any family remain in Canada

I think the mother Florence is buried in Hamilton. Ontario

But there is a story that the father Alexander had another son to a second wife


If anyone can help me trace any of the above people it would be greatly appreciated


Ryan
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: *Sandra* on Saturday 07 April 18 15:54 BST (UK)
Canadian Passenger List shows Florence Samuel born 1899 aged  30 years - arriving 23 August 1929 on the Minnedosa - Glasgow to Montreal -
Gladys was aged 9 years - Constance is 7 years - Laura 5 years.............going to Hamilton Ontario.

Sandra
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: ryan37 on Saturday 07 April 18 15:55 BST (UK)
Fantastic can you mail
Me
The record please?

Ryan
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: *Sandra* on Saturday 07 April 18 15:58 BST (UK)
U.S., Border Crossings from Canada to U.S., 1895-1960 - Florence Samuel born 1899 Edinburgh Scotland and aged 35 years - Port of Arrival Buffalo, New York - 27 January 1934 - husband Alexander - had been in the USA on various visits 1 day to 1 week. previously. last permanent address - 85 Boon Street Hamilton Ontario. This application may have been withdrawn.

Sandra
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: *Sandra* on Saturday 07 April 18 16:01 BST (UK)
Florence Samuel aged 23 years -  also shows on Canada Ocean Arrivals (Form 30A) Peterhead, Scotland to St John New Brunswick - January 1922 - accompanied by husband Alexander. Going to brother-in-law  William Samuel 125 Main Street Hamilton.
Mother - Mrs Helen Samuel, 20 St Andrew Street Peterhead.

Sandra
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: ryan37 on Saturday 07 April 18 16:05 BST (UK)
Fantastic good to hear this


Thanks hope there’s more info available

This is fascinating

Thanks for your efforts Sandra

Ryan
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: *Sandra* on Saturday 07 April 18 16:26 BST (UK)
Canada Voters List 1935 - Mrs Florence Samuel - married woman -  apt 4 Hamilton Ontario - no other Samuel showing.  ???

Canada Voters List 1940 - Mrs Alec Samuel (widow) - 151 James Street South Hamilton  ???

Canada Voters List - 1972 - Florence Samuel (widow) - Apartment 706 - Bay Street South Hamilton Ontario.  ???

Billion Graves - Florence Samuel - 1899 - 1976

https://billiongraves.com/grave/Florence-Samuel/14769637


Sandra
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: ryan37 on Saturday 07 April 18 16:30 BST (UK)
Very good info

Think I found a headstone for Florence in the woodland cemetery in Hamilton in 1976
Says dob was 1899 this ties in

Wonder where Alec went ?

Looks like Alec and wife Florence visited Canada a few times before settling ?

Ryan
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: *Sandra* on Saturday 07 April 18 16:54 BST (UK)
Pay per view site so only a small snippet available..............The Ottawa Journal - 21 November 1967

Mrs. Lloyd Paddon and her 21-year-old daughter Carol were found dead in their beds and a son, Donald, is, was found in a hallway. A trail of blood led from bis bed to the hallway. Mr. Paddon was found on the floor of an upstairs bedroom. He had been shot full in the face with a shotgun.............

https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/44411200/

Sandra
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: ryan37 on Saturday 07 April 18 17:15 BST (UK)
Thanks Sandra

Saw that the other day sad subject

Do you think we could find

William, Alexander and Helen
Samuel
Along with Alexander’s other 2 girls ?

Is there any possible means of finding them like a marriage or death record ,

Many thanks for your efforts
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: *Sandra* on Saturday 07 April 18 17:37 BST (UK)
Quite possibly William Samuel born 1883 Peterhead Scotland crossed the border to the USA October 1923 - Port of Arrival Detroit, Michigan.  Aged 39 years. Single. Machinist. Name and nearest relative from country whence came - Uncle John McDonald Adelaide Street Toronto. Going to friend Clifford Adams, Selden Ave Apts. Detroit. Michigan.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-G5MJ-N6?i=406&cc=1916040

Sandra
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: *Sandra* on Saturday 07 April 18 17:39 BST (UK)
1930 census :   Detroit House of Correction Detroit Michigan

William Samuels born 1884 Scotland. Prisoner. Labourer. Imm 1922. NA.  ???

Sandra
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: *Sandra* on Saturday 07 April 18 17:42 BST (UK)
Helen Samuel born about 1895 Peterhead Scotland - Southhampton to Quebec on the Empress of France - arriving 7 May 1927 - single - cook - c/o Hostel Canadian Govt Toronto - brother James Samuel 20 St Andrews Street Peterhead.

Sandra
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: ryan37 on Saturday 07 April 18 18:12 BST (UK)
Fantastic work thanks for your hard work , may I ask are any of the information from ancestry website as I can’t access a lot.because I’m in the uk and need worldwide membership .

Where was the information on Helen found


I’m fascinated by this thanks Sandra


Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: StanleysChesterton on Saturday 07 April 18 18:22 BST (UK)
Gravestones of Lloyd and Laura are on billiongraves.
https://billiongraves.com/grave/Lloyd-G-Paddon/16504076
Children also listed on the grave.
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: ryan37 on Saturday 07 April 18 18:26 BST (UK)
Thanks I have that photo of grave stone


Many thanks for your efforts

Would there be a trace of death record for William and Helen and Alexander somewhere ?
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: *Sandra* on Saturday 07 April 18 18:38 BST (UK)
What year was John McDonald born ?

Sandra
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: *Sandra* on Saturday 07 April 18 18:40 BST (UK)
Canadian Passenger List showing Alex Samuels - born 1896 Peterhead - Belfast to Montreal arriving 30 April 1934 on the Duchess of Atholl. Married. Had been in Canada 1913 - April 1934 - Home 71 Wentworth Street Hamilton Ontario.

Sandra
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: ryan37 on Saturday 07 April 18 18:42 BST (UK)
John mcdoanld died in Toronto 8th January 1932 aged 79 years old
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: *Sandra* on Saturday 07 April 18 18:45 BST (UK)
Did you get an obituary for John McDonald ?

Sandra
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: ryan37 on Saturday 07 April 18 18:46 BST (UK)
There is a memorial stone in peterhead Scotland for
Him

Ryan

Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: *Sandra* on Saturday 07 April 18 18:48 BST (UK)
Information posted in case you have not got an obituary and someone might help -

John Macdonald - born 1853 Aberdeenshire - Age   79 years - Blacksmith - Single.
Passed Away 8 Jan 1932 Toronto, Ontario, Canada - Double Lobar pneumonia. Angina pectoris
Burial Date 11 Jan 1932 Mount Pleasant Cemetery. Toronto
Burial Place:   Toronto, Ontario, Canada - Adult Single Grave P 8953
Ground Property Owner - Informant - Bidwell Nicholls Davies
Relative Name:   Helen MacArthur - Relative Residence Place - Thorncliffe Park Leaside  - Perhaps his niece - sister of Alexander Samuel  ???

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-XXHQ-MVS?i=461&cc=1307826

Sandra
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: ryan37 on Saturday 07 April 18 18:55 BST (UK)
Thanks very much ,

Think mount pleasant was where johns father passed away around 1897 it’s a house in countryside , but they are all listed on same
Stone in peterhead as memorial for son John that’s died in Toronto

So would the people
Listed under be johns relatives ?


Ryan




Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: *Sandra* on Saturday 07 April 18 18:55 BST (UK)
Ontario marriages are covered on ancestry to 1936 - alas there is no BMD Index in Canada - Privacy Laws are quite strict.

Sandra
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: ryan37 on Saturday 07 April 18 18:59 BST (UK)
Reading again

Is mount pleasant a cemetery in Toronto ?


Ryan


Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: *Sandra* on Saturday 07 April 18 19:05 BST (UK)
Yes, Mount Pleasant is a cemetery in Toronto.

Sandra
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: ryan37 on Saturday 07 April 18 19:08 BST (UK)
Amazing as his father died in a house called mount pleasant in peterhead Scotland

Do
You think there’s a way to find deaths for Alexander Samuel and William and Helen ? Or is it difficult with strict rules ?

How about the Constance marie and the Gladys Ann Samuel would we be able to find deaths or anything to do with them?

Ryan
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: *Sandra* on Saturday 07 April 18 19:08 BST (UK)
Ontario Marriage - Helen Samuels born 1897 - parents George Samuels and Helen McDonald - spinster - 31 years old. domestic - married Robert McIntosh - aged 35 years - born Scotland  - labourer - presbyterian - 57 Alexander Street.  Married 23 November 1928 - York, Ontario.
Roberts parents -  James McLntosh and Mother Margaret Shalt

Sandra
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: ryan37 on Saturday 07 April 18 19:10 BST (UK)
So Helen married Robert Mcintosh in Canada ?

Ryan
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: *Sandra* on Saturday 07 April 18 19:54 BST (UK)
Yes.

Detroit Border Crossing - Alex Samuel - 16 June 1896 Peterhead Scotland - (Canadian) Prestwick Scotland to  Detroit, Michigan, USA - Airline BOAC - Flight Number 563 - 26 August 1960
Address in Canada - 3557 Tecumsem Road Windsor Canada.

Sandra
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: ryan37 on Saturday 07 April 18 19:56 BST (UK)
Very interesting on Alex wonder if he had anyone traveling with him

Thanks so much for your help
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: *Sandra* on Saturday 07 April 18 20:05 BST (UK)
No one else travelling - I checked either side of his entry.

Canada Voters List - 1958  Essex Ontario - 3557 Tecumseh Road West - Alex Samuel - Insurance salesman and Frances Samuel - Nurse.

Canada Voters List 1945/1949 - Essex West Ontario - 3636 Matchette Road - Alex Samuel - Insurance Salesman and Mrs Frances Samuel -

Canada Voters List 1962 - 3557 Tecumseh Road West - Alex Samuel - Insurance Agent - Mrs Frances Samuel - Reg. Nurse.

and these possible - maybe Alex has passed away  ???

Canada Voters List 1968 - Apt 108 - Windsor, Walkerville, Ontario, Canada  -  Mrs Frances Samuel - Nursing Sup.  Also a Mr I**Samuel (Teacher) Riverside Drive East

Canada Voters List 1972 - Windsor, Walkerville, Ontario, Canada - Riverside Drive East - Francis (spelt that way) RN and Mr I** Samuel (Teacher)

Sandra
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: dbree on Saturday 07 April 18 20:10 BST (UK)
Hi,

With the same birth date 16/6/96 Alexander on a UK Incoming Passenger List from Montreal
to Southampton July 1959 on the "SS Homeric"

Samuel, Alex, 16.6.1896, Insurance Broker
Samuel, Frances, 12.2.1909, Reg. Nurse
Samuel, I**, 26.?.1945
going to 13 Craigewan Cres. Peterhead for 21 days.

** possibly living

DB
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: ryan37 on Saturday 07 April 18 20:15 BST (UK)
Great finds must be the son Ian to Alexander and Francis on his second marriage

My reLatives thought he was John but I think there is some kind of situation where some people called Ian and John are called vice Versa

That is fantastic finds

Thanks all for your time

Hope we can keep finding info

Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: dbree on Saturday 07 April 18 20:16 BST (UK)
Hi,

From Windsor Public Library an index for the Windsor Star newspaper obituaries,

Samuel, Alexander, spouse Frances, Sept. 15,1962
Samuel, Frances, maiden name Harrington, spouse Alex, June 24, 1997.
http://projects.windsorpubliclibrary.com/digi/obits/results.php?lname=samuel&fname=&maiden=&spouse=&m1=0&y1=0&m2=0&y2=0&lim=25&search=Search

Since you have the exact date of the obituary, you can ask the Windsor Library for a quick look-up.
http://www.windsorpubliclibrary.com/?portfolio=ask-a-librarian

DB
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: ryan37 on Saturday 07 April 18 20:39 BST (UK)
Iam
So thankful for all your efforts


The address mentioned is where Alexander’s brother James stayed in peterhead they had been visiting and all
Adds up now


Would there be anyway to find what happened to helen and Robert Mcintosh and to see if they had any family ?

Also wonder where the Constance marie and Gladys Ann Samuel went ? Which was Alexander’s 2 daughters


This is fascinating thanks for all your time folks

Ryan
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: ryan37 on Saturday 07 April 18 21:58 BST (UK)
Was looking back an email from a connection of samuels

He said Constance marie Samuel married a “bud” not sure what he means by bud ? and they had 2 children , thought that family probably died in Hamilton


And Gladys Ann Samuel went to Montreal and never came back ?

Would there be any way to trace these 2 lady’s ?

Also would there be a way to find William who was seen in the Detroit house of correction and what came of him?

Wonder what he did to end in the jail,


The whole thing is fascinating and will get all the info sorted and filed

Thanks for everyone’s help

Ryan
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: dbree on Saturday 07 April 18 22:07 BST (UK)
Hi,

You're welcome. :)

I think the best way forward for Alex's daughters, would be to get his obituary from the library,
and fingers crossed, it mentions them.

DB
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: ryan37 on Saturday 07 April 18 22:33 BST (UK)
Thanks I have done that ,

Would there be a way to find William


Who ended up in the jail ?


Or could we find the helen Samuel who married Robert Mcintosh mentioned earlier in the post
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: RunKitty on Sunday 08 April 18 01:29 BST (UK)
Did you get an obituary for John McDonald ?

Sandra

John MacDonald obituary in the Toronto Star... 9 Jan 1932 page 12

It says that he died on 8 January 1932 at St. Michaels Hospital.  He was in his 80th year, a native of Aberdeenshire, Scotland and a veteran of the Northwest Rebellion.  Interment in Mount Pleasant Cemetery. 

RK
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: RunKitty on Sunday 08 April 18 02:06 BST (UK)
Was looking back an email from a connection of samuels

He said Constance marie Samuel married a “bud” not sure what he means by bud ? and they had 2 children , thought that family probably died in Hamilton
.........

Ryan

I think I found Constance....and Gladys :) :)

There is an obituary in the Globe and Mail newspaper for Constance Marie Stewart. 

She died at the Henderson General Hospital on July 14 1974.  Her address had been 550 East 27th Street Hamilton.  She was Constance Marie Samuel, wife of R. H. (Bud) Stewart.   Mother of Mrs. S. Miekuz (S is her initial) and S. R. (a son), both of Hamilton.  Daughter of Mrs Florence Samuel of Hamilton.  Sister of Mrs Gladys Katzenmire of Montreal.   One grandson is named.  Interment Woodland Cemetery.

Globe and Mail paper 16 July 1974 page 43.

Will PM you with the full names of Constance's two children. 

RK
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: ryan37 on Sunday 08 April 18 08:50 BST (UK)
Brilliant info folks thanks very much for everyone’s input it’s so interesting
On find Constance and Gladys

Is there anyway I can also find helen and Robert Mcintosh death I saw something on family search of a burial  of Helen Mcintosh 20 sep 1980
At Mount Royal cemetery , Montreal Quebec

But I have no idea if this is them
Wonder if there’s an obituary notice available there’s also Robert mcIntosh I think it was burial in 70s same
Place but I have no
Idea if it’s the right people this was from
Family search website


Also would be good to find out about Gladys katzenmire

Thanks again for everyone’s help



Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: ryan37 on Sunday 08 April 18 08:51 BST (UK)
The above helen was maiden name
Samuel


Also thanks for info on John McDonald

Ryan
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: dbree on Sunday 08 April 18 12:25 BST (UK)

I think I found Constance....and Gladys :) :)

There is an obituary in the Globe and Mail newspaper for Constance Marie Stewart. 

She died at the Henderson General Hospital on July 14 1974.  Her address had been 550 East 27th Street Hamilton.  She was Constance Marie Samuel, wife of R. H. (Bud) Stewart.   Mother of Mrs. S. Miekuz (S is her initial) and S. R. (a son), both of Hamilton.  Daughter of Mrs Florence Samuel of Hamilton.  Sister of Mrs Gladys Katzenmire of Montreal.   One grandson is named.  Interment Woodland Cemetery.

Globe and Mail paper 16 July 1974 page 43.

Will PM you with the full names of Constance's two children. 

RK

RK finding Constance by first name only, you are amazing. Well done mate. :)

DB
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: ryan37 on Sunday 08 April 18 12:28 BST (UK)
I know I’m fascinated by the efforts everyone has made


Thanks again to you all

Hope we can find more on Gladys katzenmire marriage or death and if had any family ?

Also about helen and Robert mentioned in above post?


Regards Ryan
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: dbree on Sunday 08 April 18 12:31 BST (UK)
Hi,

The Helen who died Sept. 20, 1980 isn't yours. Obit in the Montreal Gazette, Sept. 23, Helen
McIntosh, nee Ralph wife of Fergus McIntosh. Page 37.
https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=Fr8DH2VBP9sC&dat=19800923&printsec=frontpage&hl=en

DB
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: ryan37 on Sunday 08 April 18 12:41 BST (UK)
Thanks is there any way I can trace Gladys

And the helen and Robert Mcintosh

Many thanks folks for helping me ryan
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: Josephine on Monday 09 April 18 01:15 BST (UK)
Pay per view site so only a small snippet available..............The Ottawa Journal - 21 November 1967

Mrs. Lloyd Paddon and her 21-year-old daughter Carol were found dead in their beds and a son, Donald, is, was found in a hallway. A trail of blood led from bis bed to the hallway. Mr. Paddon was found on the floor of an upstairs bedroom. He had been shot full in the face with a shotgun.............

https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/44411200/

Sandra

Just in case you haven't seen the entire thing, here's my transcript:

"Murder-Suicide Wipes Out Family

"HAMILTON, Ont. (CP) -- Four members of a Hamilton family were found dead of shotgun wounds today. Police said it was apparently murder-suicide.

"Mrs. Lloyd Paddon and her 21-year-old daughter Carol were found dead in their beds and a son, Donald, 15, was found in a hallway. A trail of blood led from his bed to the hallway. Mr. Paddon was found on the floor of an upstairs bedroom. He had been shot full in the face with a shotgun."

Regards,
Josephine
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: Josephine on Monday 09 April 18 01:21 BST (UK)
The Brandon Sun
22 Nov. 1967

"Four Killed in Hamilton

"HAMILTON (CP) -- A 21-year-old university student Tuesday found the bodies of four members of one family shot to death in an apparent triple murder and suicide.

"Lloyd Paddon, 49, a salesman; his wife, Laura, 44; a son, Don, 15, and daughter, Carol, 21, were found in various parts of the upstairs floor in the house.

"Lieut. James Campbell, head of the city's homicide squad, said it is apparent Paddon shot his wife and the children with a shotgun and then shot himself.

"Margaret Awrey, who lived next door, went to check the Paddon house after learning Carol did not arrive for work."
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: Josephine on Monday 09 April 18 01:24 BST (UK)
Nanaimo Daily News
1 May 1968

"Relatives of a family of four killed last Nov. 21 in what police say was a murder-suicide in Hamilton, will share an estate of more than $185,000. Lloyd Paddon, 49, his wife Laura, 44, their daughter Carol, 21, and son Donald, 15, died from shotgun blasts in their home."
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: ryan37 on Monday 09 April 18 07:26 BST (UK)
Thanks Josephine
For your info
Must have been a tragic time

And I’m sure it was massive in that region the whole community must have been shooken


Ryan
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: Josephine on Monday 09 April 18 16:08 BST (UK)
You're welcome, Ryan. It is a terrible story and you're right: it must have affected the whole community.

It most certainly would have been covered extensively in the local newspaper. The Hamilton Public Library might be able to do some look-ups for you, since you have names and exact dates: http://lha.hpl.ca/ .

The paperwork regarding their estate should provide names and addresses of beneficiaries. It's quite a lot of money.

Hamilton is in Wentworth County. It looks like the estate files should be located at the Archives of Ontario. See: http://www.archives.gov.on.ca/en/microfilm/surrogate_court_wentworth_t.aspx

Good luck in your search.

Regards,
Josephine
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: ryan37 on Monday 09 April 18 17:38 BST (UK)
That’s fine thanks very much Josephine it may be a source of info on the family I’m trying to trace

Would there be anyway of finding out more about William Samuel born 1884 and why he was in Detroit House of Correction , strange how he seemed to dissapear ?

Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: *Sandra* on Monday 09 April 18 17:42 BST (UK)
He could have passed away  ???  There doesn't seem to be a border crossing of him returning to Canada. He doesn't seem to appear on the 1940 US census.  Could he have returned to Scotland ?

Sandra
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: ryan37 on Monday 09 April 18 20:54 BST (UK)
Thanks will keep searching

Ryan
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: ryan37 on Thursday 12 April 18 23:45 BST (UK)
found 2 new records for William Samuel on ancestry

US SOCIAL SECURITY APPLICATIONS AND CLAIMS INDEX 1936-2007
William Mcdonald Samuel
Birth 12 jan 1883
Scotland ,UK
Claim date - 12 mar 1947
ssn 382031053
notes -  19 Aug 1977 , name listed as William McDonald Samuel


ALSO FOUND

US WORLD WAR 2 DRAFT REGESTRATION CARDS 1942

this has a lot of info I cant read but maybe somebody can find it and check it out

basic info is

William Mc Samuel

male

residence age 60

birth date 12 jan 1882

residence date 1942

residence place Detriot MICHIGAN USA

This is definitely him as it says peterhead place of birth


Can anyone explain what these records are and what they mean?

also does this information help us trace where he might have died or any other info related to his life etc


ryan


Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 13 April 18 09:43 BST (UK)
That would have made life easier had we known William had a middle name.

WW2 Draft does not mean William served - otherwise known as "The Old Mans Draft"

https://www.newberry.org/old-mans-draft

The U.S., Social Security Applications and Claims Index would indicate a claim was made in 1947 - it doesn't say life claim so I wouldn't think it was a death claim - could be he retired about then  ???

The SSDI (Social Security Death Index) was not up and running until about 1963 so he might not show on that which could mean he passed away between 1947 - 1963.

https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/1202535

Michigan Death Index -

https://www.familysearch.org/search/collection/1675357

Try Find a Grave to see if he is listed

https://www.findagrave.com/

Who is Mrs Chillis ? Is that a relative ?

Sandra
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: ryan37 on Friday 13 April 18 09:49 BST (UK)
Thanks Sandra I have no info on that lady? Fascinating what is the info at 1977 on the claim form?

Ryan
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 13 April 18 09:53 BST (UK)
I think that means the information was just added to that index in 1977

Sandra
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: ryan37 on Friday 13 April 18 09:56 BST (UK)
Many thanks Sandra please excuse my incapable efforts I’m New to roots and don’t know about linking posts etc

Ryan
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 13 April 18 10:27 BST (UK)
More questions than answers but also bear in mind that although we found a marriage record for Helen Samuel to Robert McIntosh 23 November 1928 in York Ontario.  The death certificate of John McDonald in Toronto, had a relative names Helen McArthur.  So did Robert Mcintosh pass away ? Did Helen and Robert divorce ?  Is Helen McArthur, Helen Samuel McIntosh  ??? 

Sandra
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: ryan37 on Friday 13 April 18 10:52 BST (UK)
Starting to look like this could be the case , I will keep looking hopefully someone can find them

Thanks for your hard work

Ryan
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: ryan37 on Friday 13 April 18 10:56 BST (UK)
For the old mans record can you depict the writing so I can record the information please

Ryan
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 13 April 18 13:26 BST (UK)
William McSamuel - 130 Selden  Detroit Michigan - 12 january 1882 - 60 years old - Peterhead Scotland - name and address of person who will always know him at that address is Mrs Chillis 270 E Alexandrine City - place of employment 3385 Gratiot Detroit Michigan -
signed William M D McDonald.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939V-KKH2-J?i=5087&cc=1861144

Sandra
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: ryan37 on Friday 13 April 18 13:38 BST (UK)
Thanks

Hope that’s someone comes up with any new details on the 2 posts

Many thanks Sandra
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: ryan37 on Friday 13 April 18 19:14 BST (UK)
Found the obituary for Laura paddon (Samuel)1967  it mentions sister Mrs George Katzemier (Gladys) ( Montreal) could this help us tracing Gladys
 

Ryan
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 13 April 18 22:52 BST (UK)
Found the obituary for Laura paddon (Samuel)1967  it mentions sister Mrs George Katzemier (Gladys) ( Montreal) could this help us tracing Gladys
 

Ryan

Slightly different spelling to the surname for Gladys mentioned in the obituary Run Kitty found in reply 40 - Katzenmire  ???  Still couldn't see anything in Montreal.

Have you checked Montreal directories - given by RK in reply 8  ???

http://bibnum2.banq.qc.ca/bna/lovell/index.html

Sandra

Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: *Sandra* on Saturday 14 April 18 10:50 BST (UK)
William McSamuel - 130 Selden  Detroit Michigan - 12 january 1882 - 60 years old - Peterhead Scotland - name and address of person who will always know him at that address is Mrs Chillis 270 E Alexandrine City - place of employment 3385 Gratiot Detroit Michigan -
signed William M D McDonald.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:939V-KKH2-J?i=5087&cc=1861144

Sandra

Mrs Chillis - was Nellie nee Steinmaier Chellis - 278 E Alexandine Detroit, Wayne, Michigan on 1940 US Census - born Connecticut. Widowed.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L9M1-KFW6?i=7&cc=2000219

Sandra

Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: ryan37 on Saturday 14 April 18 11:01 BST (UK)
Thanks Sandra was that info from previous world war 2 old mans record ?

Wonder what connection of this woman is to William?  notice in the newspaper death his age is 60 but think he would have been about 5 years older , quite possible that this happened if his personal details were stolen

Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: *Sandra* on Saturday 14 April 18 11:09 BST (UK)
Thanks Sandra was that info from previous world war 2 old mans record ?

Wonder what connection of this woman is to William?  notice in the newspaper death his age is 60 but think he would have been about 5 years older , quite possible that this happened if his personal details were stolen

Yes, that was following up on Mrs Chillis named on the WW2 Draft. Doesn't look like she was related - he could possibly have been a lodger/boarder at her house.

Newspaper announcement said "about 60" -  they would be roughly quoting info they had.

Sandra
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: ryan37 on Saturday 14 April 18 11:11 BST (UK)
That’s fine thanks seemed that William
Floated around , wondered where he is buried ? And if there was another entry in paper regarding his death or burial/obituary

So sad that probably none of his siblings or family were aware of this

Ryan
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: ryan37 on Saturday 14 April 18 16:53 BST (UK)
found a record on family search for a death of a baby McIntosh in York Ontario Canada ( very sad)

parents are Robert McIntosh and Helen Sanwell

death is 7 feb 1929 in toronto

Robert is from Dundee Scotland and helen is Aberdeen Scotland
address is 497 church street
could this be the couple that married in York on 23 November 1928

note - Samuel looks wrong on helens surname ?

ryan
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 15 April 18 19:39 BST (UK)
It looks like the same couple, even though the surname is spelt differently on the babies death record - might be that the Scottish accent of Robert made it sound like Sanwell rather than Samuel  ???

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-6SJ7-HHW?i=399&cc=1307826

On the marriage record the name of Roberts mother was Margaret Shalt but I think that was quite probably Sharp.  Parents married 1878

Sharp Margaret - McIntosh James -  1878  - 282/2 123 - St Mary

1881 census Brown Street Dundee.

James McIntosh   29 born Coupar Angus, Perthshire.  Iron Ship Builder.
Margaret S McIntosh   24
Thomas McIntosh   2
James McIntosh   1

Sandra
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: ryan37 on Sunday 15 April 18 19:46 BST (UK)
Very interesting Sandra could well be , and definetly looks like spellings could have varied a good bit as we have seen with Samuel and samuels , wonder if there’s any way to trace this couple Robert Mcintosh  and Helen Samuel for a death or obituary

Or if was any more family

Ryan

Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: *Sandra* on Sunday 15 April 18 20:04 BST (UK)
The marriage record in 1928 said Robert was 35 years old - the birth could have been slightly earlier because he does appear with James and Margaret on the 1891 Scotland Census.

James McIntosh   41 Ship Caulker.
Margaret McIntosh 34
Thomas McIntosh 12 James McIntosh   11
Margaret McIntosh 7 John McIntosh   5
Robert McIntosh   1 born 1890

1901 census 26 Lowdens Alley Liff and Benvie Angus.

James Mcintosh   53 born Coupar Angus, Perthshire. General Labourer..
Margaret Mcintosh   44
James Mcintosh   22 Carter.
John Mcintosh   16 Low Mill.
Robert Mcintosh   13
Jane Mcintosh   9
Ernest Mcintosh   5

Sandra

Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: ryan37 on Sunday 15 April 18 20:10 BST (UK)
Yes I agree with you Sandra , that looks like the family


I hope I can find out what happened to this couple also I want to find Gladys Ann Samuel and George katzenmire ( few spellings are about) katzemeir , she was seen as Mrs George katzemeir of Montreal on some of her family’s obituary notices


Ryan
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: ryan37 on Tuesday 17 April 18 09:58 BST (UK)
Found out that James
Samuel born 1903

Arrived Hamilton Ontario Canada - 1928

He was a keen footballer he played for some football teams during his time in Canada , would there be any way of finding some
Info on football teams or photos around 1928-1933

Ryan
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: *Sandra* on Tuesday 17 April 18 11:55 BST (UK)
The passenger list for James Samuel born 1903 Peterhead - says he went to his sister Miss Helen Samuel, 92 Rosalib Ave, Bedford Park, Toronto. How do you know he was in Hamilton Ontario ?
Probably a tall order to find photographs of him in a football team - you would need to be specific on area for someone to trawl newspapers.

Sandra
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: ryan37 on Tuesday 17 April 18 11:58 BST (UK)
He apparently worked at the mental assylum there


I’m gathering small pieces of information from elderly members of family


Ryan
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: ryan37 on Wednesday 18 April 18 09:41 BST (UK)
Trying to work out more about William
Samuel , his brother James had never seen him so William
Had been 21 years old before James was born and James never saw him after trying to visit Hamilton Ontario Canada to find William , this indicates to me that William must have left scotland before the records we already have
 
I wonder when William
Did arrive in Canada as on his other brothers border crossing ( Alexander ) it’s says contact is William
Samuel Hamilton Ontario

Ryan
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: ryan37 on Tuesday 24 April 18 20:28 BST (UK)
Can anyone help I have found Helen m Mcintosh buried at mountpleasant cemetery Toronto
On 27 October 1980

Think this could be the Helen I’m looking for ? Can this help us check newspapers before or around the time of her burial to see if we can find additional info ?


Many thanks for any help given

Ryan
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 25 April 18 00:07 BST (UK)
Can I suggest that in the meantime you might e-mail the cemetery to see if they can give you further information on the 1980 Helen M McIntosh.

My gut feeling is that she may have remarried to a McArthur - unless you can find another John McDonald relative called Helen  ???

Sandra
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: ryan37 on Wednesday 25 April 18 03:57 BST (UK)
Have already tried that’s why I have asked here about newspaper obituary’s , as I have now a burial date , I received the burial date from
The cemetery all I need now is extra details that could confirm it is her ,
 Thanks again

Ryan


Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: RunKitty on Wednesday 25 April 18 04:09 BST (UK)
Hi,

I had tried to find the Helen who died in 1980 using a name search....that was unsuccessful.  Thanks for the date of burial.   I have been looking through both the Toronto Star and Globe and Mail obituaries from Oct 23 1980 to Oct 29 1980.   

Oct 25, 1980, there is an obituary for Helen (Nell) McIntosh.  She died in Ajax on Oct 24 1980.  She is buried in Mount Pleasant Cemetery.  She is the Aunt of Betty Martyn, Margaret Frayne, J and A McIntosh and G and D Peech.  It says she is the Nana to several named people.  No mention of her husband or children.   ???.   

RK
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: ryan37 on Wednesday 25 April 18 04:14 BST (UK)
Very interesting think that’s about as close as i have heard ? Was it nell? Or Neil? She was known as Nell , ( Helen) thanks for the efforts in searching for her . I wonder if this is her but fair point no mention of husband or children


Ryan
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: RunKitty on Wednesday 25 April 18 05:23 BST (UK)
Hi,

I thought it was Neil at first, but when I looked more closely, I can see that it says "Nell".  Just to be sure, I looked at the obituary printed in the Globe and Mail paper and in the Toronto Star paper.  The one in the Globe is a little clearer... and it definitely says "Nell". 

RK
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: RunKitty on Wednesday 25 April 18 05:35 BST (UK)
Obituary for Margaret Frayne in the Toronto Star, Feb 9 1995 page D14.   She died in Toronto on Feb 5 1995.  Cousin of G Peech and J McIntosh of New Jersey ...(not sure if both are from New Jersey, or just J McIntosh??).  Aunt of 4 ... all with surname Peech.

RK
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: RunKitty on Wednesday 25 April 18 05:41 BST (UK)
Obituary for Elizabeth (Betty) Martyn in the Toronto Star, 22 Aug 1994 page E6.    She died in Toronto on Aug 20 1994.  Cousin of Margaret Frayne, G Peech and J McIntosh of New Jersey.  Aunt of the same 4 Peech children.

RK
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: RunKitty on Wednesday 25 April 18 06:08 BST (UK)
Hi,

Looking at the obits for Margaret Frayne and Betty Martyn again... each obit says that the lady in question is the aunt of 4 Peech children (presumably the children of G and D Peech). 

In the obituary for Helen McIntosh, it says she is Nana to 4 named children (only first names given....no surname here).  The first names of these 4 children are the same as the Peech children listed in Margaret and Betty's obits.  So - looks like "Nana" in Helen's case means "great aunt". 

I hope these obits can help you either rule out this Helen (who died in 1980) or confirm that she is "your" Helen.

RK
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: ryan37 on Wednesday 25 April 18 08:35 BST (UK)
Thanks for your contributions I really appreciate your help these are good clues to figure out

This is one I think needs worked on , it is so difficult to put a tick next to her as we know nothing after 1928, Sandra made a fair point about the Mcarthur but could this be a spelling error ? We really don’t know unless we find something with her maiden name or her hometown mentioned I guess which is quite frustrating as it’s sad that someone’s existence and passing is just lost through nobody’s blame it happens , I appreciate I have made good progress and want to continue to work on this but this is only possible with help and guidance from people like yourselfs , please excuse my determination as I know it may look like I’m going on and on but if people are willing to help I will work on

Many thanks

Ryan
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 25 April 18 10:33 BST (UK)
Hazel Blanche McIntosh 12 December 1894 - Sarnia, Lambton, Ontario, Canada
passed away 1 July 1960 - Toronto, York, Ontario married Orlo Frayne 1893–1970
born 31 July 1893 - Bosanquet, Lambton, Ontario, Canada passed away 3 May 1970 - Toronto, York, Ontario.
This couple had a daughter Margaret Mary Frayne - 1916–1995
born 31 December 1916 - Ontario, Canada passed away 5 Febriary 1995 - Toronto, York, Ontario.

FIND A GRAVE


Margaret Frayne -

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/139641566

Sandra
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: ryan37 on Wednesday 25 April 18 10:36 BST (UK)
Thanks for that as time goes on it seems maybe this may not be my Helen ?

But il keep looking

Don’t think there would be much relatives over there unless they made a family themselves but never no,

Ryan
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 25 April 18 10:38 BST (UK)
Definitely no connection  - this is the McIntosh family in 1921 Sarnia Lambton West Ontario - all born Ontario

James Mc Intosh   72 Elizabeth Mc Intosh   64
Dollina Martin   59 Helen Mc Intosh   24
Chas Mc Intosh   30 Gladys Mc Intosh   22
Better (Betty) Martin   5

Sandra
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: ryan37 on Wednesday 25 April 18 10:45 BST (UK)
She could also be buried as Helen Samuel i suppose

Maybe Sometime it will come up that we find her


Ryan
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 25 April 18 10:47 BST (UK)
Exactly - never say never.  Maybe a relative may read what has been written and come forward at a later date - very often happens.

Sandra
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 25 April 18 11:04 BST (UK)
Looking back at previous notes I also discounted a McArthur couple who lived in York Ontario

Roderick Mc Arthur and Helen A Scott who were married 16 October 1914 York Ontario.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/168581567

Sandra
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 25 April 18 15:54 BST (UK)


James returned to Scotland and died in 1981 ?

James Samuel  - aged 78 years - mothers maiden name McDonald - 1981 - 313/ 119
Peterhead

Was there a death notice obituary in Scottish papers  ???

Sandra
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: ryan37 on Wednesday 25 April 18 16:02 BST (UK)
Very interesting point that I’m not sure but that’s a good idea that could lead to a clue


Ryan
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: ryan37 on Wednesday 25 April 18 16:03 BST (UK)
4th June 1981 I believe is when he passed


Ryan
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 25 April 18 16:06 BST (UK)
Have you traced all these Samuel family that show on the 1901 census 38 James St Peterhead Aberdeen ?

I know we found Alexander and you know about James passing in 1981
Oh and William.

George Samuel   45 Helen Samuel   42
William Samuel   18 Mary Samuel   4
Andrew Samuel   7 John George Samuel   13
Isabella Samuel   10 Helen Samuel   8
Alexander Samuel 5
Henry Samuel   3

Sandra

Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: ryan37 on Wednesday 25 April 18 16:10 BST (UK)
George died 1918
Helen died. 1926

William died in Toronto 1947
Alexander died in Windsor 1962
Andrew died in Buckie , Scotland
Helen the is mystery???
Isabella died in Peterhead in the 70/80s
Mary died Peterhead or Aberdeen
John George drowned at brought ferry working as a policeman around 20 years old
James 1981 - great grand father
That’s a quick summary
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 25 April 18 16:10 BST (UK)
This is the father George -

George Murray B Samuel - 62 years - 1918 - 232/1 18 - Peterhead

suspect this was the mother Helen McDonald Samuel

Helen Samuel - aged 67 years - 1926 - 232/1 106 Peterhead

Neither of those deaths would help find any further info on Helen though  :'(

Sandra
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: ryan37 on Wednesday 25 April 18 16:12 BST (UK)
Henry also died in Peterhead haven’t exact date but can find out easily
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 25 April 18 16:40 BST (UK)
Can you get info - death notice on Isabella - she would be the nearest in age female to Helen ?

Sandra
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: ryan37 on Wednesday 25 April 18 16:52 BST (UK)
Yes I will try
Will keep u posted
Ryan
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 25 April 18 16:55 BST (UK)
Scotlands people is down for maintenance so I can't look at anything at mo

Sandra
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: ryan37 on Wednesday 25 April 18 16:56 BST (UK)
I have a death cert- I will give you details this evening


Ryan
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: ryan37 on Wednesday 25 April 18 20:31 BST (UK)
Isabella Samuel
Dress maker - retired
Single
DOB 18 FEB 1891
Death 28 SEPTEMBER 1978
At Peterhead cottage hospital

Usual residence - 21 Atlantic Avenue

Parents George Murray bogie Samuel and Helen Samuel

Mycordial degeneration and atherosclerosis

Informant is John Samuel nephew , he died in 1998 I think at age 80
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: RichSam on Monday 29 July 19 18:16 BST (UK)
Hey Ryan,

Just came accross this site and your post and thought I'd say hello. 
I am also researching my grandparents, Andrew Samuel born August 30, 1883 Edinburgh, Scotland.
He married Emma Barry and they emigrated to Canada, settling in Cape Breton, Nova Scotia.

Any information or resources you can provide would be greatly appreciated.  We did have a Ron Samuel contact us from Scotland back in the 80's but I believe he has since passed away.  Any Samuel's or Barry's, or anyone reading this post who may have any leads, please feel free to send a PM.

Thanks,

-Rich
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: ryan37 on Monday 29 July 19 22:01 BST (UK)
Looking to help rich out

Looks like his grandfather Andrew Samuel ,was born in Edinburgh in 1883 but can’t find the record on Scotland people ,

I think he married a woman called Emma Barry
But don’t know if they married in Scotland ?
Can anyone find any details that might lead to learning more about this couple

Ryan
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: RichSam on Monday 29 July 19 22:07 BST (UK)
Thanks for the help Ryan! 😁👍🏻
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: dbree on Monday 29 July 19 22:30 BST (UK)
Hi, and Welcome to Rootchats RichSam

From Nova Scotia Vital Stats., there is a marriage Feb. 7, 1910 in Stellarton, Nova Scotia
Andrew B. Samuel, age 28, bachelor, plasterer, b. Edinburgh, Scot., residence Port Hood,
parents James and Janet
Emma Barry, age 23, spinster, b. Port Hood, residence Port Hood, parents William and Andrea

Bottom of the page,
https://www.novascotiagenealogy.com/ItemView.aspx?ImageFile=1833-46&Event=marriage&ID=108745

DB
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: dbree on Monday 29 July 19 23:03 BST (UK)
Hi,

1911 Canadian Census, Port Hood, Inverness, NS
Samuels, Andrew, age 30, b. Scot. immigrated 1902, occupation machine ? (can't make it out)
Samuels, Emma, age 22, b. NS
Samuels, E. Pearl, daughter, age 10/12mths
Barry, Martha, age 19, sister in law

Andrew and Emma at the very bottom of the page,
http://automatedgenealogy.com/census11/SplitView.jsp?id=69590
Pearl and Martha at the very top
http://automatedgenealogy.com/census11/SplitView.jsp?id=69591

Using the Nova Scotia Vitals website, you can see Pearl's birth record, agree to terms and
conditions, then add Samuel, Pearl
https://www.novascotiagenealogy.com/

DB



Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: dbree on Monday 29 July 19 23:22 BST (UK)
Hi,

Andrew served in WW1 with the CEF (Canadian Expeditionary Forces),
Samuel, Andrew, b. August 30, 1883 Edinburgh, Scotland, miner, next of kin wife Mrs. E. Samuel,
New Waterford, CB, rank Captain

Click on the PDF format, it's his complete service file, 68 pages, it is very slow to load.
http://www.bac-lac.gc.ca/eng/discover/military-heritage/first-world-war/personnel-records/Pages/item.aspx?IdNumber=212444

DB
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: RichSam on Tuesday 30 July 19 00:19 BST (UK)
DB thank you so much!
I have his military and census infomation (btw his occupation was coal miner).

The marriage information is new to me.

Thanks again,

-Rich
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: dbree on Tuesday 30 July 19 00:27 BST (UK)
You're welcome. :)

What else are you looking for?

DB
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: RichSam on Tuesday 30 July 19 00:39 BST (UK)
I never met him, he died long before I was born. I vaguely remember my grandmother Emma.  I am hoping to find out where exactly he grew up in Scotland, any potential relatives there, and I would love to find photographs of them.  I'm planning a trip to Scotland some day to trace his roots and Ireland to trace my mothers family roots as well.

Thanks again,

-Rich
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: dbree on Tuesday 30 July 19 00:51 BST (UK)
Ah ....you may wish to create a separate post on the Scotland boards with everything you know about him. On the right side of the home page, scroll down to Scotland and post away. :)

On the census he says he immigrated in 1902, just going to have a look for that passenger
list.

DB
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: RichSam on Tuesday 30 July 19 01:04 BST (UK)
Good idea! ..as soon as I figure the website out more I will definitely do that.  You and Ryan are awesome btw! 😁👍🏻
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: dbree on Tuesday 30 July 19 01:31 BST (UK)
Aww.. thank you. :) And yes, Ryan is awesome.

Come back if you have any questions about the website.

DB
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: RichSam on Tuesday 30 July 19 01:33 BST (UK)
Definitely! Thanks again
Title: Re: Samuel family in Canada mystery
Post by: Rosinish on Wednesday 18 September 19 01:20 BST (UK)
My reLatives thought he was John but I think there is some kind of situation where some people called Ian and John are called vice Versa

Iain/Ian is gaelic for John

Annie