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Title: birth/baptism for John GARNER abt 1792 poss Thrussington
Post by: Westy11 on Sunday 08 April 18 06:33 BST (UK)
John GARNER was a son of William GARNER & Eleanor WRIGHTE born about 1792 according to census records.

His siblings were born/baptised at Thrussington so assume he also was born/baptised in that locale.

Assistance gratefully received.

Westy
Title: Re: birth/baptism for John GARNER abt 1792 poss Thrussington
Post by: amondg on Sunday 08 April 18 06:49 BST (UK)
What proof do you have that his parents are William and Eleanor?

Where did William and Eleanor marry, if he was first born child may have been baptized in her home parish.
Title: Re: birth/baptism for John GARNER abt 1792 poss Thrussington
Post by: BumbleB on Sunday 08 April 18 07:55 BST (UK)
Looking at the images for the parish registers, I cannot see any baptisms between James (1785) and Joseph (1795).

Marriage John William and Eleanor - 1776

Thomas - 1776
Elizabeth - 1778
William - 1780
Daniel - 1782
James - 1785
Joseph - 1795
Title: Re: birth/baptism for John GARNER abt 1792 poss Thrussington
Post by: dcbnwh on Sunday 08 April 18 10:36 BST (UK)
The censuses in Thrussington give his birth place as Hoby.

John son of Daniel and Sarah was baptised in Hoby on 25th May 1792.

Daniel Garner married Sarah Fewkes in Frisby on the Wreake on 13th July 1783.
His abode is given as Whissendine but probably born in Hoby - baptised on 11th June 1757, son of Daniel and Elizabeth - married Elizabeth Hubbert in Hoby on 16th May 1743.

David
Title: Re: birth/baptism for John GARNER abt 1792 poss Thrussington
Post by: Westy11 on Sunday 08 April 18 13:09 BST (UK)
For some strange reason I did not receive any notification of replying posts so apologies for my late reply.

As to the conundrum: I too couldn't find any baptisms for William & Eleanor between James (1785) and Joseph (1795).

I'm assuming Bumbleb you meant William rather than John??

As to proof - no no proof and just an assumption I was following which looks like it took me up the garden path so to speak.

On the marriage for William & Eleanor in 1776 in Thrussington, it noted William was a widower and Eleanor a single woman.  As yet I cannot locate William's previous marriage although there is a baptism for an Elizabeth GARNER to a William & Eleanor on 10 Apr 1775.  Perhaps William's first wife was also an Eleanor.

Any ideas???

Westy

Title: Re: birth/baptism for John GARNER abt 1792 poss Thrussington
Post by: BumbleB on Sunday 08 April 18 14:27 BST (UK)
Oops, sorry, yes I did mean William and Eleanor  :'(  :-[

Just a thought, I assume you have seen the marriage entry for them - the fact that William was a widower  :-\
Title: Re: birth/baptism for John GARNER abt 1792 poss Thrussington
Post by: Westy11 on Sunday 08 April 18 14:31 BST (UK)
Hello BumbleB,

Yes and as yet cannot find the first marriage. ???

Westy
Title: Re: birth/baptism for John GARNER abt 1792 poss Thrussington
Post by: BumbleB on Sunday 08 April 18 14:37 BST (UK)
19 June 1770 at Thrussington.  Both residing in this parish = Anne Chambers

Anne, wife of William Garner, buried at Thrussington, 18 February 1772.

Title: Re: birth/baptism for John GARNER abt 1792 poss Thrussington
Post by: amondg on Monday 09 April 18 05:42 BST (UK)
It seems more likely his parents are Daniel and Sarah Garner, based on census information, he was living in Thrusssington but states he was born in Hoby
Title: Re: birth/baptism for John GARNER abt 1792 poss Thrussington
Post by: Bunnygirl on Monday 09 April 18 06:49 BST (UK)
Daniel & Sarah were married at Frisby on the Wreake 13 July 1783 by Banns
Daniel Garner of Whissendine Rutland Bachelor & Sarah Fewkes of this parish spinster

Bunnygirl 
Title: Re: birth/baptism for John GARNER abt 1792 poss Thrussington
Post by: Westy11 on Monday 09 April 18 07:54 BST (UK)
Hello Bunnygirl & David,

To be sure: As I understand it you are saying John GARNER is the son of Daniel GARNER & Sarah FEWKES and not the son of William GARNER & Eleanor WRIGHTE as initially proposed?

Thanks a million for your assistance.

Westy
Title: Re: birth/baptism for John GARNER abt 1792 poss Thrussington
Post by: Westy11 on Monday 09 April 18 07:57 BST (UK)
Quote from: BumbleB on Sunday 08 April 18 14:37 BST (UK)
19 June 1770 at Thrussington.  Both residing in this parish = Anne Chambers

Anne, wife of William Garner, buried at Thrussington, 18 February 1772.

Thanks a million BumbleB. :) ;)

Westy
Title: Re: birth/baptism for John GARNER abt 1792 poss Thrussington
Post by: BumbleB on Monday 09 April 18 08:02 BST (UK)
25 May 1792 - Hoby  (image on FindMyPast)

John son of Daniel and Sarah Garner.
Title: Re: birth/baptism for John GARNER abt 1792 poss Thrussington
Post by: Westy11 on Monday 09 April 18 08:04 BST (UK)
Thanks so much BumbleB,

Thanks also for finding William's first marriage.

Based on this date of marriage I am going to see if its possible to find this William's parents possibly with a baptism for William about 1745.  Your thoughts??

Westy
Title: Re: birth/baptism for John GARNER abt 1792 poss Thrussington
Post by: BumbleB on Monday 09 April 18 08:14 BST (UK)
There is a baptism at Wymeswold - 26 October 1744 - William son of William and Elizabeth Garner.

Hoby - Children of Daniel and Sarah Garner

Anne - 1 June 1788
Benjamin - 5 May 1799
Daniel - 7 May 1786
Elizabeth - 13 November 1803
George - 4 May 1794
James - 21 February 1796
Josiah - 25 February 1798
Mary - 1 June 1800
Title: Re: birth/baptism for John GARNER abt 1792 poss Thrussington
Post by: Westy11 on Monday 09 April 18 08:20 BST (UK)
Thanks so much once again BumbleB; your a bit of a life saver.   ;D

Westy
Title: Re: birth/baptism for John GARNER abt 1792 poss Thrussington
Post by: BumbleB on Monday 09 April 18 08:29 BST (UK)
Wymeswold:

William Garner and Elizabeth Whitby - 22 November 1734

Children of William and Elizabeth Garner:

Ann - 4 December 1741
Sarah - 8 February 1750
Sarah - 30 November 1748 - buried 6 February 1749
Mary - 15 August 1736
Elizabeth - 25 March 1739
Title: Re: birth/baptism for John GARNER abt 1792 poss Thrussington
Post by: Westy11 on Monday 09 April 18 08:36 BST (UK)
Thanks BumbleB; I'm assuming William is also there but left off the list below because he's already accommodated???
Westy
Title: Re: birth/baptism for John GARNER abt 1792 poss Thrussington
Post by: BumbleB on Monday 09 April 18 08:38 BST (UK)
Yes, I left him off the list because I'd already given you his baptism - 26 October 1744 - son of William and Elizabeth.

Title: Re: birth/baptism for John GARNER abt 1792 poss Thrussington
Post by: Westy11 on Monday 09 April 18 08:42 BST (UK)
Just checking; as my Irish grandmother would say "to be sure to be sure" ;D