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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Essex => Topic started by: philrmoon on Sunday 08 April 18 19:30 BST (UK)
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Hi
Trying to find the parents etc of Hannah Crawley
She married Herbert waters in 1871 ??
The 1891 census says born in Portsmouth ( living in west ham )
But cannot find any birth or baptism
Can anyone help please
Regards Phil
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I can't see a birth/baptism either but the marriage is
Herbert Waters/Hannah Crawley Mar 1871 Portsea 2b 578
The certificate should give her father's name, with a bit of luck!
Emeltom
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Are you aware that by 1901 Herbert had a new wife called Elizabeth
Possible death for Hannah
Sep 1895 W Ham 4a 29 aged 45
Emeltom
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I
Yes Elizabeth Annie Watkins from Herefordshire
Cannot find her or children in 1911 though
Regards Phil
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The marriage is online
Hampshire, Portsmouth Marriages Transcription
11 Jan 1871 Portsmouth, St John's Cathedral...RC
Herbert Waters residence Clarence Barracks
Father Joannis Mercer
Hannam Crawley residence Portsea
Father Michaelis Crawley
Witnesses Joanne Duggan Maria Bone
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Hannah's residence as Portsea
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Whilst looking for Crawley baptisms I found the following at St Johns cathedral RC, parents Michael Crawley and Ann nee Pellington
Ann 1855
Michael 1855
Thomas 1859
Marcus 1861
The family are in the 1861 Census RG09/639/F13/p22 transcribed as Crowly
But no sign of a Hannah born 1850
Emeltom
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A possibility?
1861 RG 9 Piece 1058 Folio 56 Page 26
Romford Rd Orchard Place 8
Michael Crawley 58 farm labourer
Margaret Crawley 49
Edward Crawley 20
Margaret Crawley 18
John Crawley 14
William Crawley 11
Hannah Crawley 9 East Ham, Essex
All born East Ham Essex.
There is a birth reg for an Anna Crowley West Ham reg district June 1/4 1852 vol 4a page 15.
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I was wondering about them but was still unsure about Hannah's birth reg for this family ???
Just going back to the Portsea family, I can see the siblings 1881
CRAWLEY, JULIA PELLINGTON
GRO Reference: 1866 J Quarter in PORTSEA ISLAND Volume 02B Page 389
and presumably this is Ann on the 1861 who was as born Portsea and here it is N K Northumberland
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q274-XSVR
EDIT***Should have looked first!
CRAWLEY, ANN PELLINGTON
GRO Reference: 1855 S Quarter in PORTSEA ISLAND Volume 02B Page 325
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Just looking at marriages and a Margaret Crawley marries Francisci Cox....7th Regt. Anglesea Barracks, Portsea
For Margaret father Michaelis Crawley, but there is another Duggan who is a witness, might be worth pursuing
Wits Thomas Connelly Ellen Duggan
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Just noting this looking at 1881
BRIMECOM, GRACE CRAWLEY
GRO Reference: 1875 J Quarter in PORTSEA ISLAND Volume 02B Page 422
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Grace Brimecom is the daughter of Ann Crawley born 1855. She married Edward Brimecombe Sep 1878 Portsea 2b 670
Emeltom
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Hi
So do we think Hannah crawley's parents are
Michael Crawley and ann wellington
Where does the Duggan come in ??? Please
Regards Phil
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Hi sorry that name should be
Pellington
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Possibly Hannah's parents are Michael Crawley (confirmed by details on her marriage) and mother is possibly Ann Pellington.
The name Duggan crops up as witness to Hannah's marriage to Herbert Waters and to Margaret Crawley's marriage to Francis Cox as mentioned in earlier posts.
Emeltom
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Hi
Thanks for all the help
Regards Phil
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Hi
Odd thing that joannis mercer is stated as the father of Herbert waters
As the record of herberts baptism in mountfield Sussex is given as Sophia waters ( single woman )
But I have discovered in the census of 1871
Potters district of portsea island
Margaret Crawley. 48 a charwoman born Ireland
A widow
And
Annah Crawley 21 a soldiers wife ( married) born Middlesex
So this may be hannah b 1850 from portsea but actually born in Middlesex
And the marriage you found of Herbert waters to hannah Crawley 11/1/1871 in Portsmouth as Herbert 1861 was a soldier
Cannot make out the joannis mercer ??
Regards Phil
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Presumably if Herbert was born to Sophia, a single woman, she may have told him that his father was a John Mercer.
Emeltom
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As Annah Crawley is married to soldier called Crawley what are the chances of her maiden name being Crawley as well.
Emeltom
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Hi
Thanks
Must do more digging
Regards Phil
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Hi good point
Back to square one
I know Herbert ( kemp ) walters married a Hannah Crawley in potters island
What other information is on the record
Joannis mercer is recorded as being herberts father
Does it state who Hannah's father is
( was William Crawley stated ) ???
Regards Phil
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That should read
Married in portsea island
Regards Phil
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The entry for the marriage gave Hannah's father as Michaelis (Michael) Crawley. if you go back through the posts you will see the details.
Emeltom
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Thanks
For al the assistance
Phil
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Hi
Thanks to all who helped my research into hanna Crawley
So my quest has turned now to the fathers given in the marriage of Hannah to Herbert kemp waters 1871 in potters
Can anyone help to find any information re
Joannis mercer - herberts given father
Herbert b 1841 mountfield suusex
And Hannah's given father
Michael Crawley
Hannah b 1852 portsea island ??? ( according to later censuses after her marriage )
Regards Phil
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Sorry
That marriage should read at portsea island 1871
Regards Phil
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Whilst looking for Crawley baptisms I found the following at St Johns cathedral RC, parents Michael Crawley and Ann nee Pellington
Ann 1855
Michael 1855
Thomas 1859
Marcus 1861
The family are in the 1861 Census RG09/639/F13/p22 transcribed as Crowly
But no sign of a Hannah born 1850
Emeltom
Well funny enough........Michael Crawley and Ann Pellington are my GGGG Grandparents, I come through down their daughter Ann's line - she did indeed marry Edward Brimecome (3rd July 1878).
Ann Pellington died 29th Sept 1905.
I cannot find a suitable Death record of her husband Michael Crawley. Anyone ??? Apart from the one in Portsea 1866....but that gives a Birth date of 1828....which I guess 'could' be correct.......what are the thoughts of the RootsChat Jury ???
Apologies in slightly de-railing the Thread. I saw it when I put 'Ann Pellington Northumberland' into Google.
I don't think that Hannah is one of theirs.....