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Title: Naturalization Record
Post by: stevejgarton on Monday 09 April 18 18:33 BST (UK)
Hi

I am interested to know if there is anywhere I can find out more about a naturalization record. This one in particular: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-8937-6S9B-8?i=1381&cc=2043782 I am trying to find out when and where he arrived in the US

Thanks
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: Pennines on Monday 09 April 18 18:44 BST (UK)
Hi,

This doesn't answer your question - but it looks like he was living in Hull, Yorkshire, England in 1861 - a Ship's Carpenter. Already married with a young baby living with in laws.

Hence if it's the same person he may have gone from England to USA.
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: Pennines on Monday 09 April 18 18:54 BST (UK)
Forget that!! Unless he married 2 women named Ann --- the Hull one was born Scotland. The Annie he is with in 1880 in USA was born Germany. Coincidence though. Especially as he seems to run a Seamen's lodging house or similar in USA and had been a Ship's Carpenter in England.

(And he was with an Emma in 1870 in USA!) Hmmm - did he marry 3 times or is it a completely different Charles Henning born Norway I wonder).
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: Jomot on Monday 09 April 18 18:59 BST (UK)
For info, the OP is only seeking help with the Naturalisation record, in the hope that it may connect the Charles in NY to the one in Hull.   I suggested he post here for further guidance on how to obtain the fuller record and what it may contain. 
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: stevejgarton on Monday 09 April 18 19:05 BST (UK)
Forget that!! Unless he married 2 women named Ann --- the Hull one was born Scotland. The Annie he is with in 1880 in USA was born Germany. Coincidence though. Especially as he seems to run a Seamen's lodging house or similar in USA and had been a Ship's Carpenter in England.

(And he was with an Emma in 1870 in USA!) Hmmm - did he marry 3 times or is it a completely different Charles Henning born Norway I wonder).
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Hi got all of this info thanks, the 1861 charles in Hull is my guy, no further records have been found of him in the UK and he had only one child, William Robert my gt grandfather. Everything points to him doing a runner and the charles living in new York on the 1870 & 1880 census albeit with different wives could be him, hence my request re the naturalization record.
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: Pennines on Monday 09 April 18 19:10 BST (UK)
Oh thank you Jomot and Steve --- I just found the actual image of the Hull marriage as well =which you probably have. I obviously hadn't realised what you already had.

Must admit -- it does look like he's skipped the country AND collected a couple of wives as well!
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: Erato on Monday 09 April 18 20:37 BST (UK)
Death of Charles Henning

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FZHP-L5S
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: mckha489 on Monday 09 April 18 20:48 BST (UK)
Where to go from the indexes is detailed on Ancestry.  This is the relevant bit


“New York
For copies of the original file for naturalizations performed in federal courts in New York, write to:
National Archives at New York City
One Bowling Green, 3rd Floor
New York, NY 10004
Toll-free: 1-866-840-1752 or 212-401-1620
Fax: 212-401-1638
E-mail: newyork.archives@nara.gov
For copies of the original file for naturalizations performed in other New York City courts, write to:
New York County Clerk's Office
Division of Old Records
60 Centre Street, Room 161
New York, NY 10007
Phone: 646-386-5
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: stevejgarton on Monday 09 April 18 21:07 BST (UK)
Death of Charles Henning

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FZHP-L5S

Thanks but already have this record, the question was whether i can obtain anymore info about the naturalization record
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: shellyesq on Tuesday 10 April 18 11:59 BST (UK)
The naturalization was not done in the federal court, so the information above about the New York County Clerk's Office would be where you would have to order.  However, the naturalization records from that era did not give much detail.  Based on the index putting a slash through the boxes for port and date of arrival, I'm doubtful that this record contains the information you're looking for.
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: Pennines on Tuesday 10 April 18 14:35 BST (UK)
Steve -- I realise you are trying to find the naturalization record for Charles -- but I thought you were also trying to establish whether the Charles Henning who 'disappeared' from Hull - was the same Charles Henning who appears in USA.

I wonder if you have searched for an American marriage for him? His father shown on his Sculcoates marriage in 1859 is a Charles Henning, Horse Doctor.

If we could find one of his American marriages (if indeed he did marry the 2 apparantly different ladies shown on census records) --- AND he has given the same father he gives on his Sculcoates marriage - this would prove him to be your Charles. I realise you may have already searched for those --- my apologies if you have.
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: stevejgarton on Saturday 14 April 18 10:29 BST (UK)
Steve -- I realise you are trying to find the naturalization record for Charles -- but I thought you were also trying to establish whether the Charles Henning who 'disappeared' from Hull - was the same Charles Henning who appears in USA.

I wonder if you have searched for an American marriage for him? His father shown on his Sculcoates marriage in 1859 is a Charles Henning, Horse Doctor.

If we could find one of his American marriages (if indeed he did marry the 2 apparantly different ladies shown on census records) --- AND he has given the same father he gives on his Sculcoates marriage - this would prove him to be your Charles. I realise you may have already searched for those --- my apologies if you have.

Yes I am trying to discover if this is my Charles Henning. If it is him it would appear that he would have had to arrive in the US between June 1861 and October 1863. Based on him being in the UK at the time of the 1861 census, an approximate 2 month sailing time, and having to live in the US for 5 years to become naturalized.

I have looked for the marriages and births of the daughters named on the 1870 without success. Now stuck again, any suggestions welcome, thanks.

Found a Charles Wilson from Norway aged 31 arriving in the US in May 1862........His wife Ann Henning that he left in the UK had been married before to a William Wilson, probably clutching at straws but could he have used that surname ?
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: Pennines on Saturday 14 April 18 20:46 BST (UK)
Hi Steve,

You are correct in saying that the wife of Charles had a previous married name of Wilson (maiden name Levett). Her father was a William Levett - (a Musician which is interesting.)

Did the immigration record you found show an occupation? If so was it the same as your Charles --- a Carpenter/Joiner or the like?

That is all I can say though --- he could have used an alias to 'escape' I suppose but it is pure supposition - although it would be unusual for someone named Wilson to be born in Norway unless his father was a sailor or something -- but your Charles' father was a Horse Doctor, according to the marriage details.

I expect you have seen the 2 family trees on Ancestry -- which are no help at all. One has him in Hull and the other in USA ---- no parents shown, no immigration shown. I'm afraid he is a bit of an enigma.

I can't see an American marriage for him on line unfortunately. Someone suggested making enquiries about the naturalization record you found -- to see if there are any more details in the official records held in the USA. That appears to be the only avenue open to you at the moment - unless someone has access to New York? marriages  --- always the chance that he didn't actually marry over there though.

Is there anything in American newspapers or English newspapers about the family? You never know.

I am really sorry that I have been unable to help you, with what is a frustrating (but fascinating) query.

Good Luck with it -- I hope someone can help.

Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: stevejgarton on Sunday 15 April 18 08:42 BST (UK)
I am waiting to hear back about the naturalization record and have also ordered the death cert for the Charles Henning who passed away in Kearny, NJ in 1896 to see if that heralds some clues.

The immigration record for Charles Wilson gave occupation Laborer.

Strange thing too that I cannot find his wife Ann Henning on the 1871 census either. Though I do have her death certificate 1880 in Hull.

Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: Pennines on Sunday 15 April 18 19:37 BST (UK)
I can't find Ann either in 1871 - checked under both Henning/Levett and variants and on a couple of sites.

These 2 have definitely decided to make researching them as difficult as they can for you!!

Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: Jomot on Monday 16 April 18 01:19 BST (UK)
Just following up on the two daughters shown in the US census, there is a marriage on 21 Nov 1880 between Annie P Henning & Archibald Robertson.   Annie is 17 and her parents are Charles Henning & Ann M Graff:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:24S9-39Q

By 1900 she is 36 (but gives year of birth as 1853 so has been transcribed as older) and is living in Kearny, New Jersey with husband Archibald & 5 children - all born NY (Edit - youngest child born New Jersey) - and gives her father's birth place as Norway.  Also living with them is her widowed mother, Annie Henning, born Holland.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M9JK-1XK

Added: According to a tree on Anc* daughter Annie's full name was Annie Margarita Peters Henning, although there is no source for this.  There is a link to a clipping of her obituary in the Winnipeg Tribune dated 10 Dec 1941.
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: stevejgarton on Monday 16 April 18 07:45 BST (UK)
Just following up on the two daughters shown in the US census, there is a marriage on 21 Nov 1880 between Annie P Henning & Archibald Robertson.   Annie is 17 and her parents are Charles Henning & Ann M Graff:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:24S9-39Q

By 1900 she is 36 (but gives year of birth as 1853 so has been transcribed as older) and is living in Kearny, New Jersey with husband Archibald & 5 children - all born NY (Edit - youngest child born New Jersey) - and gives her father's birth place as Norway.  Also living with them is her widowed mother, Annie Henning, born Holland.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M9JK-1XK

Added: According to a tree on Anc* daughter Annie's full name was Annie Margarita Peters Henning, although there is no source for this.  There is a link to a clipping of her obituary in the Winnipeg Tribune dated 10 Dec 1941.
Wow this looks very interesting I will follow it up, thanks so much Jomot
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: jamcat95 on Monday 16 April 18 11:33 BST (UK)
Hi stevejgarton,
I'll post my findings from Norway here, not really to do with the Naturalization Record.......



According to the death record his father was Norwegian and mother was Swedish:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FZHP-L5S

Also his father was a horse doctor and most probably a veterinary surgeon. I am not too sure about the father's name Charles but I have found a Carl Christian Henning to parents: Iver Henning, a vet and Maria Cathrina (Charlotte) Karsten born Sweden.

Carl was born 21 May 1833 in Trondheim Sør-Trøndelag - nr 136:
http://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20050613020231.jpg

Here is Iver Henning, a vet student and Maria Karsten's marriage record from Stockholm 1830 - nr.15. They moved to Trondheim in 1831:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lwq/


This could be the right family.


Ian

Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: jamcat95 on Monday 16 April 18 18:19 BST (UK)
Just trying to figure out why (if correct family) Charles named his father also Charles.......
The reason I think was that Iver died when he was 8 which might mean he perhaps couldn't remember him that much....?

Iver Henning's death record - 1841 - nr 25:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lws/



Ian

Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: Pennines on Monday 16 April 18 18:20 BST (UK)
Jomot and Jamcat --- what seemingly wonderful finds you have made. Great information.

I'm going to sit in my 'inadequate corner' now!
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: jamcat95 on Monday 16 April 18 18:23 BST (UK)
Hi Pennines

I do really think that this could be Charles' family.

Ian

Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: Pennines on Monday 16 April 18 18:30 BST (UK)
I do agree with you, as Charles is an anglicised version of Carl -- and the birth year fits - along with the father's occupation. Let's face it we don't often see an occupation of Horse Doctor or Vet do we - most unusual really.
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: jamcat95 on Monday 16 April 18 18:32 BST (UK)
I must admit that it is the first time I have seen a vet in the Scandinavian Church Books.

Ian

Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: Jomot on Monday 16 April 18 18:35 BST (UK)
I'm going to sit in my 'inadequate corner' now!

Well you certainly don't belong there, so get out of it right now.......   ;D
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: Pennines on Monday 16 April 18 18:38 BST (UK)
Aaah -- thank you Jomot --- you are very kind.
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: jamcat95 on Monday 16 April 18 19:16 BST (UK)
Here are all the children for this family:

Gustava Wilhelmina - b.13 Aug 1839
Johan Bernhard - b.9 Jan 1831
Gustav Wilhelm - b.19 May 1832
Johan Christopher - b.1835
Iver Mauritz - b.30 May 1836
Odin - b.29 Jul 1838
August - b.14 Apr 1841


Ian

Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: stevejgarton on Monday 16 April 18 21:53 BST (UK)
I would like to thank you all for your help in trying to identify my Charles Henning, I am dumbfounded at this latest suggestion, I dont know what to make of it all. Both the US and the Norwegian families are possibilities, but both have assumptions, so without evidence I remain on the fence.
I have heard back regarding the 1868 naturalization record  and there is no more information than what is shown. Still waiting for the death cert of the Charles who died in Kearny, New Jersey.
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: Jomot on Monday 16 April 18 22:20 BST (UK)
I have heard back regarding the 1868 naturalization record  and there is no more information than what is shown.
Oh that's a shame. 

I agree that it's all circumstantial at the moment, although the marriage of Annie in New York & then her turning up in Kearny, New Jersey - where a Charles Henning died - certainly seems to support the NY & NJ families being the same people, especially with her husband being a sea captain.   Do let us know if the death certificate turns up anything - I think we're all willing this to be the right person!
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: stevejgarton on Tuesday 17 April 18 09:30 BST (UK)
Ok all of this seems feasible so I guess now I need to find out when Charles arrived in the UK from Norway. All I have on him in the UK is his marriage to Ann in 1859 and the 1861 census. Will have another gander at the 1851 census to see if I can find him.

I am also going to throw another "possibility" into the mix. My Gt grandfather William Robert, son of Charles Henning, fathered 10 children, (I have only confirmed 9 so far, but that is not an issue just now) the first of which William Wilson Charles John Henning was born 13 Aug 1884 at 10 Broad Street, Stratford, London. The second born 31 may 1886 James Thomas Henning also apparently in Stratford, but thus far I have been unable to confirm this. Third born was in April 1888 in Sculcoates, Hull where the family then remained, and William Robert died in Hull in 1924.

So why??? were the first 2 children born in Stratford??? There are Henning households in the area on the 1881 census, including one with a son born in Stratford in 1881 though the son is missed off the transcription he is there on the image, and living in West Ham at the time. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27C-B2MZ

Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: jamcat95 on Tuesday 17 April 18 10:01 BST (UK)
I am trying to find him leaving Norway or as a seaman in the seamen records but to no avail at the moment unfortunately.

Ian

Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: stevejgarton on Tuesday 17 April 18 10:15 BST (UK)
Ian see my recent post which throws the "Norway" connection up in the air in favour of a London connection. The only evidence re Norway is the 1861 census, could this be an error, and if so the London connection needs more investigating. 

Still no sign of Charles in the Uk either before or after 1861 census other than the marriage though.
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: jamcat95 on Tuesday 17 April 18 10:21 BST (UK)


Still no sign of Charles in the Uk either before or after 1861 census other than the marriage though.


Charles was a ship's carpenter so I guess he was onboard at the time of the census and not docked somewhere. I believe he was still in Norway in 1851.

Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: jamcat95 on Tuesday 17 April 18 10:40 BST (UK)

Ian see my recent post which throws the "Norway" connection up in the air in favour of a London connection. The only evidence re Norway is the 1861 census, could this be an error, and if so the London connection needs more investigating. 


I don't know how to reply to this. I can't see Norway being an error. The family I have found in Norway fits pretty well but as you say we need more evidence. I will keep digging to come up with something.

Ian
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: Pennines on Tuesday 17 April 18 15:20 BST (UK)
Hi Steve,

The Norway connection is very strong -- there are several evidential factors from both the records you HAVE found in England and the records found by jamcat in Norway.

Name --- Carl/Charles
Birthplace -- Norway
Father's name -- Carl/Charles
Father's occupation -- Horse Doctor/Vet
Birth year -- mid 1830s

There are too many corresponding facts for it to be a coincidence.

I don't really understand why you favour a London connection.
William Robert Henning was born in Hull.
He married in Darlington.
He is on most census records in Hull/Sculcoates (He MAY be with his grandparents in 1871 shown as William H Levitt, aged 10 -- unless that's a different grandchild).

It is clear he must have gone to London for a short period after his marriage to have 2 children there, but he then moves back to Hull.

Usually people moved for work - and William Robert was a Billiard Marker (?) then worked with wood afterwards. I don't think his move to London for a few years affects the strong Norway connection of his father. It will be difficult to know now just why he and his wife moved down there for a short time, before coming back.
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: stevejgarton on Tuesday 17 April 18 16:06 BST (UK)
Hi Steve,

The Norway connection is very strong -- there are several evidential factors from both the records you HAVE found in England and the records found by jamcat in Norway.

Name --- Carl/Charles
Birthplace -- Norway
Father's name -- Carl/Charles
Father's occupation -- Horse Doctor/Vet
Birth year -- mid 1830s

There are too many corresponding facts for it to be a coincidence.

I don't really understand why you favour a London connection.
William Robert Henning was born in Hull.
He married in Darlington.
He is on most census records in Hull/Sculcoates (He MAY be with his grandparents in 1871 shown as William H Levitt, aged 10 -- unless that's a different grandchild).

It is clear he must have gone to London for a short period after his marriage to have 2 children there, but he then moves back to Hull.

Usually people moved for work - and William Robert was a Billiard Marker (?) then worked with wood afterwards. I don't think his move to London for a few years affects the strong Norway connection of his father. It will be difficult to know now just why he and his wife moved down there for a short time, before coming back.

Hi

Perhaps I should have said it is another possibility, I should not have said in favour of.

There is a lot of evidence that points to him being born in Norway, moving to the UK for a few years and then onto the US. However without some corroborative evidence I am open to other avenues of research.

I share your assumption that is it William Robert shown on the 1871 living with grandparents. If I could find his mother Ann on the 1871 it would help, but she is well hidden away somewhere.

I think the London connection is worth exploring, William Robert seems to have been a jack of all trades, as he was at different times, a billiard marker, a box maker, a licensed victualler, a hairdressers assistant, a hairdresser, painters labourer, painter & decorator and ships painter. He was a beer seller when he married Harriet Hampshire in 1881. He gave up his license in July 1882. When his first son was born in Stratford in 1884 he was a hairdresser. So being multi talented lol I cannot see why he would have moved to London for 2 years or so for employment. I have a hunch there is a family connection.

One other fact to add to the mix, whether or not it is relevant I am not sure. His mother Ann died in 1880 at 3 Handleys Place, informant Hannah Levi (was Levitt) her sister of the same address. On the 1881 census William Robert is lodging with his Aunt Hannah at the same address. When Ann passed away she left just shy of £500 which under letters of admin passed to William Robert her only child when he came of age. He got his hands on the cash in July 1881, then gave up the beer licence and buggered off to Darlington to marry. There is a proven family connection in Darlington to his Aunt Hannah's Levi family, witnesses to the marriage licence were family. I dont know how far £500 would have gone in those days and whether it has any bearing but I do feel the move to London was family related and not just on a whim.

 
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: Pennines on Tuesday 17 April 18 16:38 BST (UK)
£500 in the 1880s is about £58,000 today! Quite a considerable amount.

I noticed the Levi name where William was lodging actually -- it immediately struck me as Jewish - I hadn't taken into account that it was connected to Levett/Levitt.

Even so - that name was from William Robert's mother's line and nothing to do with Charles from Norway. So any family connection to that line was on the maternal side. His inheritance may have prompted the move to London - but it clearly didn't work out down there for him - possibly too much competition in the work area.

I still don't think it affects Charles Henning -- and it's a separate interesting facet to your family history (which can't be called a boring one by any means -- lots of interest in it, compared with most of us!)

Incidentally -- I don't think it is your William in 1871 -- there was a William Henry Levett born 1860 in Sculcoates Reg District - mother's maiden name Woodhead. So a different grandson. Hence we haven't found Ann or your William in 1871.
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: stevejgarton on Tuesday 17 April 18 17:15 BST (UK)

Incidentally -- I don't think it is your William in 1871 -- there was a William Henry Levett born 1860 in Sculcoates Reg District - mother's maiden name Woodhead. So a different grandson. Hence we haven't found Ann or your William in 1871.

Aha should have gone to specsavers, all these years I have been researching and I read the 1871 entry as William R when it is indeed a H doh.....ok thanks a million for pointing that out, the plot thickens.
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: Pennines on Tuesday 17 April 18 19:01 BST (UK)
Steve -- I did read it as William H. --- but just thought it might be your William without checking it out. (And we should never assume should we!)

The 2 grandchildren present in 1871 with the Levett grandparents are not a brother and sister ---- both have different mother's maiden names. I have checked marriages -- the William H belongs to a William Levett and Emma Woodhead -- whilst the grandaughter, Phoebe is the daughter of Thomas 'Levitt' and Sarah Ann Acaster. William and Thomas must be brothers of Ann Wilson, nee Levett - later Henning.

This is a 'side' issue but does show that your William Robert wasn't there in 1871 - and at the moment heaven only knows where he and his mother were.

 
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: stevejgarton on Tuesday 17 April 18 20:56 BST (UK)
Yes Pennines, William & Thomas are two of Anns brothers.

Have spent a couple of hours searching on every site I know without any luck at all in finding Ann & William Robert on the 1871 census. There is either a horrendous transcription error and there are plenty or they went missing somehow.
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: jamcat95 on Thursday 19 April 18 10:50 BST (UK)
I noticed from one of the 1870 Census of a Charles Henning (there are 2 Charles Henning from Norway as Boarding House Keepers. I think it was mentioned earlier) that an Ann Graf was listed as living with them but this Charles' wife was Emma and children were Caroline and Ann. I can't help thinking that this Ann Graf might be related to Ann M Graff (Henning). Also a Charles Graff on the other Census boarding there too. This looks to be the same Charles but I don't know how.
Any thoughts?

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-DHFQ-G9?i=678&cc=1438024 - Charles, Emma, Caroline, Emma and Ann Graf

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-64K3-GRT?i=190&cc=1438024 - Charles, Annie, Annie, Josephine and Charles Graff.


Ian

Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: jamcat95 on Thursday 19 April 18 10:51 BST (UK)
Found this article from 1872 in The Evening Standard, New York about Charles Henning, boarding house keeper being taken to court for assault (4th spalt halfway down "Assault and Battery):
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lwy/


Ian

Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: stevejgarton on Thursday 19 April 18 12:34 BST (UK)
I noticed from one of the 1870 Census of a Charles Henning (there are 2 Charles Henning from Norway as Boarding House Keepers. I think it was mentioned earlier) that an Ann Graf was listed as living with them but this Charles' wife was Emma and children were Caroline and Ann. I can't help thinking that this Ann Graf might be related to Ann M Graff (Henning). Also a Charles Graff on the other Census boarding there too. This looks to be the same Charles but I don't know how.
Any thoughts?


On the entry where Charles Graff is boarding I see a Henning C showing as female?
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: jamcat95 on Thursday 19 April 18 12:39 BST (UK)
Yes I saw that too but I thought it could be a mistake perhaps.........?
and both Annie and Emma coming from Prussia/Germany and both children New York.

And also I took that the female Henning is your Charles.


Ian
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: jamcat95 on Thursday 19 April 18 12:43 BST (UK)
Also, the boarding house on Carlisle Street from the 1870 Census is probably the boarding house on Greenwich Street (Carlisle Street meets Greenwich Street) as from the newspaper report.

Ian

Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: Jomot on Thursday 19 April 18 13:35 BST (UK)
The city directories I mentioned on the earlier thread have Charles Henning bdgh (boarding house) at 9 Carlisle in 1872 and at 179 Cherry in 1876. 

The 1880 census pages are out of order - Charles, Annie & Annie are on page 12 at 179 Cherry Street, but you have to skip a few pages forward to get to page 13.  The top of that page shows Henning Joseph (forename then crossed out) daughter, aged 13.   This ties in with family living at 9 Carlisle in 1870.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9YBC-8RB?i=7&cc=1417683
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9YBC-DQ3?i=12&cc=1417683
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: Jomot on Thursday 19 April 18 14:05 BST (UK)
Im not sure if or where this fits in, but there is a passenger list in 1874 for the ship Mosel, sailing to New York from Bremen, which includes these passengers:

Anna Henning 40
Anny Henning 8
Josephine Henning 7

There are columns for 'country to which they severally belong' and 'country to which they intend to become inhabitants', and for each the answer is United States of America.
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: jamcat95 on Thursday 19 April 18 14:24 BST (UK)
Ok thanks Jomot.
What are the odds of 2 Charles Henning born Norway around 1833 having boarding houses close to each other in 1870?

Ian

Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: stevejgarton on Thursday 19 April 18 15:40 BST (UK)
Ian
One of the boarding houses on the 1870 has a list of boarders, the other not, if I am reading them correctly, so what if Charles and family lived at one address while running the boarding house at the other. Not sure of the mechanics of the US census and how it is compiled, but could this explain, if they are the same family how they can appear twice on the same census?
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: jamcat95 on Thursday 19 April 18 15:48 BST (UK)
Good question. It's something that I have wondered about.
And that an Ann Graf is living with them makes it a little more interesting.

Ian

Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: Jomot on Thursday 19 April 18 16:19 BST (UK)
Ian
One of the boarding houses on the 1870 has a list of boarders, the other not, if I am reading them correctly, so what if Charles and family lived at one address while running the boarding house at the other. Not sure of the mechanics of the US census and how it is compiled, but could this explain, if they are the same family how they can appear twice on the same census?

Looking at the census dates, the one with Ann Graff was taken 26 Jul 1870, but the other was apparently taken in January 1871 - you need to scroll about a bit to confirm the date, but here's one page that shows it:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-64K3-2VC?i=163&cc=1438024
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: jamcat95 on Thursday 19 April 18 16:31 BST (UK)
Well that explains that then. Thanks Jomot.

Ian
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: jamcat95 on Thursday 19 April 18 16:34 BST (UK)
So these 2 families I suppose are the same family but recorded twice. So I wonder who Emma is then.

Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: stevejgarton on Saturday 21 April 18 10:37 BST (UK)
So these 2 families I suppose are the same family but recorded twice. So I wonder who Emma is then.
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And Caroline?
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: jamcat95 on Saturday 21 April 18 11:20 BST (UK)
and off course Caroline but I was mainly referring to Emma as I was wondering if she was his wife or some other relation.

Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: stevejgarton on Wednesday 02 May 18 16:56 BST (UK)
The death cert for Charles Henning in 1896 has arrived and makes interesting reading, giving mothers name as Charlotte born Sweden, father born Norway name unknown therefore backing up the theory from earlier in the thread that he couldnt remember or didnt know his fathers name so gave it as Charles. Buried in Arlington Cemetary. Cant make out the very last line, is it a plot reference?
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: jamcat95 on Wednesday 02 May 18 17:34 BST (UK)
Excellent news. Now I am sure you have the right family from Sweden and Norway.

Ian

Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: Pennines on Wednesday 02 May 18 17:40 BST (UK)
Wow - thank you for the update Steve. His age at death is very specific - even giving months and days! I haven't worked that out to determine his actual birth month, that would be useful to do to see if it corresponds with the one found earlier. Provided his age at death is correct of course.
 
As his father's name is unknown --- it does point to the wonderful Norwegian find of Iver the vet discovered by Jamcat.
Strange that all that detail is given - yet he is shown as married, but no wife's details are given.

I can't decipher the last line either - does look a bit like a reference of some sort.
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: jamcat95 on Wednesday 02 May 18 17:43 BST (UK)
His birth date on the birth record: 21 May 1833
His birth date on the death record: 21 May 1832


Ian


Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: Pennines on Wednesday 02 May 18 19:30 BST (UK)
Ian you are just showing off now -- you can do sums as well as Family History!
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: jamcat95 on Wednesday 02 May 18 19:32 BST (UK)
Haha I wish.

Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: Jomot on Wednesday 02 May 18 20:01 BST (UK)
Great news Steve.

Your update prompted me to have another look at the daughters, and I found this baptism:

St Nicholas, New York (Roman Catholic)
Born 26 Oct 1866, Baptised 15 Sep 1867, Josephina Henning d/o Caroli Henning & Annae Peters. 

The transcription says Location: Manhattan, Residence: Norvegia, but I think something has been lost in translation & 'Norvegia' relates to fathers place of birth.
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: Jomot on Wednesday 02 May 18 20:38 BST (UK)
Very odd... there is this marriage in Manhattan on 4 Dec 1889:

Josephine Hemming 23 Parents Charles Hemming & Margaret Neff
Frederick Goppert 23 Parents Frederick Goppert & Christine Vill

I was inclined to dismiss it because of Josephine's mother, but they turn up in Argyle Place, Kearny NJ in 1900 - fathers birth place Norway, mother's Germany.  Added: Annie (Robertson nee Henning) was also in Argyle Place in 1900.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HY-67Q9-149?i=27&cc=1325221

By 1910 her father is from France & her mother is from Norway!

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRJD-FXX?i=4&cc=1727033

ADDED: In 1930 Anna Robertson & Josephine Goppert are in the same household in New Jersey, Anna is Head and Josephine is listed as sister. 
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: jamcat95 on Thursday 03 May 18 10:24 BST (UK)
Very odd... there is this marriage in Manhattan on 4 Dec 1889:

Josephine Hemming 23 Parents Charles Hemming & Margaret Neff
Frederick Goppert 23 Parents Frederick Goppert & Christine Vill


and here   http://www.italiangen.org/records-search/  Josephine's surname is Fleming.


Ian

Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: jamcat95 on Thursday 03 May 18 10:36 BST (UK)
Checked up on Ruth Carolyn Goppert from the 1910 Census, daughter of Frederick and Josephine. She married Frank Leonard Berth in 1919 and her mother was indeed recorded as Josephine Henning. The record is on FindMyPast.

Ian

Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: stevejgarton on Thursday 03 May 18 11:10 BST (UK)
I have messaged the Arlington Cemetery Association to see if they have any info re headstone etc.
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: Jomot on Thursday 03 May 18 11:37 BST (UK)
I'm probably clutching at straws, but with Josephine's mother being named as Annae Peters on her  baptism and then Margaret Neff (mis-transcription of Greff?), I looked in that Italian database and found a marriage in Manhattan on 19 Feb 1867 for an Ann H (M?) Peters, but there was no Groom attached to the record. 

Perhaps Greff was her maiden name, she then married a Peters and then married Charles Henning?
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: Jomot on Thursday 03 May 18 12:24 BST (UK)
Just another random thought....   I was trying to think how/if you could link the Charles in the US with Charles in Hull, and wondered if his occupation was the key.   

The death cert for Ann Henning in the UK says she was the wife of Charles Henning a shipping clerk, and I automatically assumed shipping = ships, but what if it was 'shipping' as in transporting goods.  Would that tie in with the description of Railroad Agent on his death certificate in the US?   Perhaps he was somehow still in touch with his family in the UK?
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: stevejgarton on Thursday 03 May 18 14:50 BST (UK)
Just following up on the two daughters shown in the US census, there is a marriage on 21 Nov 1880 between Annie P Henning & Archibald Robertson.   Annie is 17 and her parents are Charles Henning & Ann M Graff:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:24S9-39Q

By 1900 she is 36 (but gives year of birth as 1853 so has been transcribed as older) and is living in Kearny, New Jersey with husband Archibald & 5 children - all born NY (Edit - youngest child born New Jersey) - and gives her father's birth place as Norway.  Also living with them is her widowed mother, Annie Henning, born Holland.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M9JK-1XK

Added: According to a tree on Anc* daughter Annie's full name was Annie Margarita Peters Henning, although there is no source for this.  There is a link to a clipping of her obituary in the Winnipeg Tribune dated 10 Dec 1941.

Just heard back from the Arlington Cemetery Association with info about the records for Charles Henning. Seems the plot owner is a Mrs A Robertson which ties in with the info above from Jomot. So I now know the location of the grave and the number etc. Will have to see if there is a headstone, or as its a plot, who else is buried there.
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: stevejgarton on Thursday 03 May 18 15:10 BST (UK)
Just another random thought....   I was trying to think how/if you could link the Charles in the US with Charles in Hull, and wondered if his occupation was the key.   

The death cert for Ann Henning in the UK says she was the wife of Charles Henning a shipping clerk, and I automatically assumed shipping = ships, but what if it was 'shipping' as in transporting goods.  Would that tie in with the description of Railroad Agent on his death certificate in the US?   Perhaps he was somehow still in touch with his family in the UK?

That would somehow make sense and if he was sending guilt money to his former wife in the UK it would explain how she died leaving £500 to her son.
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: stevejgarton on Thursday 03 May 18 16:48 BST (UK)
Further info from Arlington re the burial plot:

The plot was later moved to a new location and the grave vault includes:
Annie M Robertson
Alexander H Robertson
Archibald Robertson
Marguerite S Rowe
Anna M Henning
Gertrude P Robertson
George Robertson Rowe
Chas Henning
Fredk B Goppert

The last name came up earlier in the thread I believe. I did ask about a headstone but they did not respond to that question, though it now seems this is a vault.
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: Jomot on Thursday 03 May 18 17:03 BST (UK)
Great information - ties the US family together nicely, including Josephine & Annie's husbands. 

I meant to ask, what was Charles' occupation given as on his son's marriage certificate? 
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: stevejgarton on Thursday 03 May 18 17:32 BST (UK)
Great information - ties the US family together nicely, including Josephine & Annie's husbands. 

I meant to ask, what was Charles' occupation given as on his son's marriage certificate?

Carpenter
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: Pennines on Thursday 03 May 18 17:46 BST (UK)
Yes - on the 1861 census Charles was a Ship Carpenter. So if by son you mean William -- that's what he would have known him as.
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: stevejgarton on Thursday 03 May 18 17:51 BST (UK)
More info from the burial vault in Arlington Cemetery:

Annie M Robertson died 1st Dec 1937 aged 72
Anna M Henning died 22nd June 1918 aged 82
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: Jomot on Thursday 03 May 18 22:07 BST (UK)
There are loads of original New Jersey probate records / wills on Familysearch, but unless I'm being very stupid (it happens!) there doesn't seem to be any sort of index & they aren't in much of a logical order.    It might be worth contacting NJ State Archives for guidance o how to find out if Charles left a will.
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: jamcat95 on Friday 04 May 18 09:08 BST (UK)
I took a look for him but no record of a Charles Henning. Here is what I found:

Index:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01m0f/
There is a Charles Hennig will from 1894 in Hudson county.

Charles Hennig:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01m0g/
Nr: 14606

But not the same Charles.
There doesn't seem to be a Charles Henning.


Ian

Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: stevejgarton on Friday 04 May 18 10:09 BST (UK)
All this information seems to tie up the Norway & US very nicely though it would help to confirm without doubt if passenger records could be found. I am also no further forward with finding Ann Henning and son William Robert on the 1871 census.

Thanks once again to all who have contributed their time to help solve this brick wall.
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: jamcat95 on Friday 04 May 18 10:17 BST (UK)

....it would help to confirm without doubt if passenger records could be found.


I'm not too sure if he would be on a passenger list. If he worked as a ship's carpenter then I think he would have worked his way over to New York.

Ian

Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: stevejgarton on Friday 04 May 18 10:21 BST (UK)
I have found a soldiers pension record for Charles Henning wife Anna M Henning, don't know if this is the same couple as Charles died in 1896 and the widow application was filed 1st Feb 1902 though Charles grave was moved 30th April 1902......probably not the same Charles
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: jamcat95 on Friday 04 May 18 10:47 BST (UK)
Here is the Charles Hennig will. I'll post it just to rule him out:
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01m0h/


Ian

Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: stevejgarton on Friday 04 May 18 10:49 BST (UK)
Thanks Ian
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: jamcat95 on Friday 04 May 18 11:10 BST (UK)
Cheers Steve.
When did Charles' wife die?

Added.. Just found it.... 1918


Ian

Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: stevejgarton on Sunday 06 May 18 12:20 BST (UK)
Here are all the children for this family:

Gustava Wilhelmina - b.13 Aug 1839
Johan Bernhard - b.9 Jan 1831
Gustav Wilhelm - b.19 May 1832
Johan Christopher - b.1835
Iver Mauritz - b.30 May 1836
Odin - b.29 Jul 1838
August - b.14 Apr 1841


Ian

Ian, these are children of Iver & Maria, hence siblings to Carl Christian (Charles)??
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: jamcat95 on Sunday 06 May 18 12:37 BST (UK)
Yes.

Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: jamcat95 on Sunday 06 May 18 12:59 BST (UK)
The death cert for Charles Henning in 1896 has arrived and makes interesting reading, giving mothers name as Charlotte born Sweden, father born Norway

Just checking the name Charlotte from the Norway records and found only 3 records with that name. Even though she was recorded as Marie she was probably addressed as Charlotte.

August birth - nr 78:
http://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070919610114.jpg

Johan Bernhard birth - nr 58:
http://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20070921610468.jpg

Gustav Wilhelm birth - nr 137:
http://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20050613020209.jpg


Ian

Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: stevejgarton on Sunday 06 May 18 13:57 BST (UK)

Just checking the name Charlotte from the Norway records and found only 3 records with that name. Even though she was recorded as Marie she was probably addressed as Charlotte.

From one of your earlier posts:Also his father was a horse doctor and most probably a veterinary surgeon. I am not too sure about the father's name Charles but I have found a Carl Christian Henning to parents: Iver Henning, a vet and Maria Cathrina (Charlotte) Karsten born Sweden.
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: jamcat95 on Sunday 06 May 18 14:12 BST (UK)
Aha...
I had already written that. Oh well.

Ian
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: stevejgarton on Sunday 06 May 18 21:11 BST (UK)

Added: According to a tree on Anc* daughter Annie's full name was Annie Margarita Peters Henning, although there is no source for this.  There is a link to a clipping of her obituary in the Winnipeg Tribune dated 10 Dec 1941.

Jomot would like to know more re the tree, I dont have Ancestry. Interested in why there would be an obit in 1941 when she died in 1918
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: Jomot on Sunday 06 May 18 23:20 BST (UK)
Jomot would like to know more re the tree, I dont have Ancestry. Interested in why there would be an obit in 1941 when she died in 1918

I can't for the life of me find it again.  Perhaps I was having 'a moment' as the New Jersey death is clearly the right one. 
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: Jomot on Sunday 06 May 18 23:28 BST (UK)
Found it!   In light of what we now know it's obviously a different person though:

https://www.newspapers.com/clip/6765336/the_winnipeg_tribune/?xid=637
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: stevejgarton on Sunday 06 May 18 23:31 BST (UK)
Absolutely the wrong person, thanks , it sets my mind at rest.
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: stevejgarton on Tuesday 08 May 18 14:32 BST (UK)
I now have an image of the final resting place of Charles Henning (attached) thanks to the kind folks at Arlington Cemetery.

I am now trying to work my way downline from Charles and his wife Anna/Annie Graf, I have two daughters confirmed Annie & Josephine, and their marriages and offspring. Josephine married Fred Goppert and their eldest child Arthur Joseph Goppert married Bella/Bell Taggart originally from Ireland and I have found 2 children for this couple, Ruth born 1913 and Fred born 1916. I have no more on the children other than Fred seems to have passed away in Los Angeles in 1997, his father also having passed away in California (San Francisco) in 1959. I cant establish when the family moved to California nor can I find spouses for either Ruth or Fred. My aim is to try to find living relatives in the hope that they will have information about Charles Henning that will help to conclusively tie him as the same guy who moved from Norway to the UK and then to the US.
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: Jomot on Tuesday 08 May 18 16:10 BST (UK)
This could be Ruth (as Morrison) in the 1940 census - living in what appears to be the same household is an Isabella Goppert 57 and Frederick Goppert aged 23

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QSQ-G9M1-RCNM?i=14&cc=2000219
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: Jomot on Tuesday 08 May 18 16:46 BST (UK)
haven't found a marriage record for Fred yet but here's his divorce:

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VPRF-GKX

This site claims to name other family members (including the ex-wife) and states that at one point he lived in Alaska  :-\

https://www.instantcheckmate.com/people/frederick-goppert/

ADDED: City Directories for Frederick show him in NJ with mother Belle (listed as widow of Arthur) and state that he is in the US Navy.  The 1948 directory states 'rem to Pomona Cal'

By 1958 he is an Insurance Salesman in La Jolla, California & wife Joan is also listed,
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: Jomot on Tuesday 08 May 18 17:11 BST (UK)
If you have ANC* there is a birth record for a son born to Frederick & Joan in 1946, and also some passenger lists showing him visiting the UK as a child.
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: stevejgarton on Tuesday 08 May 18 17:17 BST (UK)
More wonderful finds Jomot thank you. I dont have ANC unfortunately just FindMyPast.
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: Jomot on Tuesday 08 May 18 17:19 BST (UK)
As he may still be living I can't name him, but Familysearch has the same birth record  :)
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: stevejgarton on Tuesday 08 May 18 17:34 BST (UK)
As he may still be living I can't name him, but Familysearch has the same birth record  :)
Bingo, thanks Jomot
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: stevejgarton on Tuesday 08 May 18 17:40 BST (UK)
I have found the marriage of Fred & Joan in the UK in 1945. https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=BMD/M/1945/1/AZ/000209/021
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: Jomot on Tuesday 08 May 18 17:50 BST (UK)
I have found the marriage of Fred & Joan in the UK in 1945. https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=BMD/M/1945/1/AZ/000209/021

I didn't expect to find the marriage in the UK - that's a turn-up!   It explains the visit to the UK though - the passenger list had an address in Torquay.
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: stevejgarton on Tuesday 08 May 18 18:08 BST (UK)
I have found the marriage of Fred & Joan in the UK in 1945. https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=BMD/M/1945/1/AZ/000209/021

I didn't expect to find the marriage in the UK - that's a turn-up!   It explains the visit to the UK though - the passenger list had an address in Torquay.

It was the fact that Fred was in the US Navy, and the 1951 visit to the UK with a 5 year old son that led me to suspect he had married a war bride. Also found that Joan was living in Plymouth on the 1939 register, presume thats where they met.
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: stevejgarton on Saturday 19 May 18 10:48 BST (UK)
Having now obtained the records of service in the US civil war of Charles Henning I now have two documents with his signature on: one is his enlistment paper in 1863, the other his marriage to Ann Levett in the UK in 1859. I would appreciate any thoughts on whether the signatures are likely to be the same man. It looks very likey to me but I am no hand writing expert.
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: jamcat95 on Saturday 19 May 18 12:17 BST (UK)
Hi
They look similar but the marriage certificate has a very low resolution so is pretty difficult to compare.

The declaration record has him signing his middle name "Ch." ....... and remembering that his middle name is Christian.

http://urn.digitalarkivet.no/URN:NBN:no-a1450-kb20050613020231.jpg


Ian


Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: stevejgarton on Saturday 19 May 18 14:31 BST (UK)
Evidence that Charles did have a short spell in the UK before he emigrated to the US.........I think it is now conclusive, and I would like to thank everyone who has helped me to break down this brick wall, especially Jamcat, Jomot and Genealiza
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: jamcat95 on Saturday 19 May 18 14:34 BST (UK)
Yes I agree.
Cheers.

Ian

Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: Jomot on Saturday 19 May 18 15:45 BST (UK)
I've snipped the signatures for easier comparison.  The declaration is still pretty low resolution but it looks a good match to me, and the reference to England on the Civil War document is the icing on the cake!

A great outcome - and credit to you for your perseverance. 

Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: jamcat95 on Saturday 19 May 18 15:58 BST (UK)

A great outcome - and credit to you for your perseverance.


I agree.

Ian

Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: Pennines on Saturday 19 May 18 16:00 BST (UK)
I think it's a match also --- and the fact that he used the 'Ch' for Christian, which corresponded with the birth record found in Norway. In addition the 'England' AND the occupation of 'Carpenter' on the military record ties this together as being the correct Charles Henning.

Well done to you all on your perseverence and all your hard work with this research.
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: stevejgarton on Sunday 20 May 18 10:22 BST (UK)
Can anyone help with deciphering and the meaning of what is entered on this document in the Name line above 448168? It looks like Bro?
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: Jomot on Sunday 20 May 18 11:46 BST (UK)
It looks like Bro to me too, but I've no idea what it means!

There is an example of the same document type on the link below, which indicates that up to four claims are on each card and that that the entry may not be connected to Charles - scroll down to card 674207, which is another widows pension claim:

https://narations.blogs.archives.gov/2010/12/31/family-tree-friday-pension-indexes-examined/
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: stevejgarton on Sunday 20 May 18 12:08 BST (UK)
It looks like Bro to me too, but I've no idea what it means!

There is an example of the same document type on the link below, which indicates that up to four claims are on each card and that that the entry may not be connected to Charles - scroll down to card 674207, which is another widows pension claim:

https://narations.blogs.archives.gov/2010/12/31/family-tree-friday-pension-indexes-examined/

Thank you Jomot that explains it and you are correct the entry does not appear to be connected to Charles. The number 584124 at the top is the widows pension certificate number on his pension record.
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: stevejgarton on Wednesday 23 May 18 09:33 BST (UK)
Following up on the directory entries posted by Jomot, in Trows 1887 Charles is still at 179 Cherry but now listed as a carpenter again. On his death cert last place of residence is given as Brooklyn and resident in this state (New Jersey) two weeks. He doesnt seem to be in Brooklyn in the 1892 State Census though.
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: stevejgarton on Friday 01 June 18 14:56 BST (UK)
More concrete evidence, following the Civil War military records kindly found by Genealiza I have had some further microfilm entries emailed from a museum in Massachusetts and on one it states the residence of Charles as Hull, Eng
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: jamcat95 on Friday 01 June 18 15:06 BST (UK)
Excellent news.

Ian

Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: Jomot on Friday 01 June 18 16:31 BST (UK)
Fantastic!  As you say, absolutely no doubt now that it's the same man. 

Amazing really that from those brief appearances in the UK records you've tracked him from Norway to Hull and then to New York, Massachusetts, New Jersey and the US Civil War.  What a great story.  :D
Title: Re: Naturalization Record
Post by: stevejgarton on Friday 01 June 18 16:44 BST (UK)
Fantastic!  As you say, absolutely no doubt now that it's the same man. 

Amazing really that from those brief appearances in the UK records you've tracked him from Norway to Hull and then to New York, Massachusetts, New Jersey and the US Civil War.  What a great story.  :D

Yes Jomot its a fantastic story. I will be trying to put some more flesh on the bones.......the one question I would love to know the answer to is why did he leave a wife and child in the UK and go to the US.....thanks for your help